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the bit about Oumuamua first observed at an 'at rest' speed was the stunning bit for me. he tells you to be a bird above a very freeway observing the speed of each car compared to the cluster of cars around it. some of these cars will be hitting the exact average speed and so, in relation to the faster or slower ones its 'at rest' the odds of a random bit of shiny rock hitting our solar systems 'at rest' speed are really loving stupid. and then it speeds up i dont suppose anyones had a serious looksee along its exit trajectory? maybe its off to the auto-tune shop or to snoop on another interesting planet/system Sleekly has issued a correction as of 10:21 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Sleekly posted:the bit about Oumuamua first observed at an 'at rest' speed was the stunning bit for me. e: yeah this, weird. it dont matter has issued a correction as of 10:23 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Nov 16, 2021 10:21
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Objurium posted:what's strongly implied to be the Roswell crash site with him for meta materials. It's Chapter 2 lol. Isn't it definitely not Roswell? It's been a little while since I read it but my memory was that it was another alleged crash site in New Mexico from around the same time, which only a few people knew about and was being purposefully kept secret. I wonder if it's related to the thing in Vallee's latest book, Trinity. I'm only a little way into that so far but it's talking about another incident from 1945. American Cosmic is fun but I found it slightly frustrating too as it drops loads of interesting tidbits but never explores them in more detail. Which is fair enough I guess, it isn't the main point of it, but still, I'd like someone else to pick up the threads she leaves dangling and run with it. The stuff about people getting sudden inspiration for new technology and avenues for research is fascinating. The same thing pops up in Annie Jacobson's Phenomena, and I think it's mentioned in Nick Cook's Hunt for Zero Point, too. it dont matter has issued a correction as of 10:34 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Nov 16, 2021 10:29
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Sleekly posted:the bit about Oumuamua first observed at an 'at rest' speed was the stunning bit for me. what I'm wondering is what has been determined about the direction it came from. conspicuously missing from anything I've seen so far. it shouldn't be difficult to track back it's path... perhaps the James Webb telescope will be pointed there after it's ready lol
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Nov 16, 2021 10:35
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Spergin Morlock posted:what I'm wondering is what has been determined about the direction it came from. conspicuously missing from anything I've seen so far. it shouldn't be difficult to track back it's path... perhaps the James Webb telescope will be pointed there after it's ready lol yeah that too actually! so carried away in the mystery of the thing no ones done the basic detective work
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Nov 16, 2021 11:10
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Isn't the idea that the O came from the Oort cloud? And therefore an 'at rest' speed is expected. And then it accelerates because it's barrelling towards the sun. I don't know, I need to read the book. Also, plus one rec. for American Cosmic. There is an excellent podcast with the author.
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Nov 16, 2021 11:13
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Lampsacus posted:Isn't the idea that the O came from the Oort cloud? And therefore an 'at rest' speed is expected. And then it accelerates because it's barrelling towards the sun. I don't know, I need to read the book. Also, plus one rec. for American Cosmic. There is an excellent podcast with the author. im not a scientist but as i understand it the boost it got from the sun is very much faster than it should be, assuming its an asteroid type object. that was part of the reason for the "its made of nitrogen" hypothesis because that would act as a fuel to be providing the boosted speed as it burns off, it would also not be visible to us unlike a comets tail not knowing its shape or dimensions means we also cant really examine the turn it did in much detail, anything going that fast near such gravity wells would have done a similar turn. our spacecraft use that mechanic often but it would look a lot like any other asteroid at a glance
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Nov 16, 2021 11:29
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isnt the Oort cloud one of those theroetical bodies that would explain some things but is itself mostly unknown? it seems kinda like "wizard did it" but to its used to explain any sort of not-from-round-here object that wanders in? edit: if it is real im choosing to believe its a prison and this is the galactic version of old time australia for criminal souls Sleekly has issued a correction as of 11:35 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Nov 16, 2021 11:33
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the oort cloud is where rorschach lives
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Nov 16, 2021 11:47
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Spergin Morlock posted:what I'm wondering is what has been determined about the direction it came from. conspicuously missing from anything I've seen so far. it shouldn't be difficult to track back it's path... perhaps the James Webb telescope will be pointed there after it's ready lol The wikipedia article has a fairly up to date section on what's been ruled out and what's still in the maybe pile. Plenty more to work on, but there are four potential star systems compatible with it having approached us starting a million years ago.If it was intelligently built and launched probe or ship, we definitely had an atmosphere indicating life back then. Also worth nothing that disc shaped or highly oblate spheroid seems to be the likely shape according to Wikipedia.
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Nov 16, 2021 12:05
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The rational, scientific explanation is that it's an asteroid of a shape we've never seen before, composed of an abundance of material which 1) we have also never seen before and 2) seems to be mathematically impossible, and it moved in ways that natural objects have never been observed to have done so before At this time of year At this time of day localized entirely to your kitchen may I see it?
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Nov 16, 2021 13:13
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for anyone not checking out avi loeb's book yet, john michael godier basically got his event horizon channel started covering oumuamua. here's an interview with a dude that did a bunch of modeling to determine its properties. long story short- we don't know lol. BUT his model best fits a 1:7 aspect ratio disk, and an arbitrarily thin disk (light sail) fits the data reasonably well. cigar-shaped thing is highly unlikely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cowpWhYuY8
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Nov 16, 2021 13:27
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just wait until we find planet 9 and it’s revealed to be an old space prison from which the originator of life escaped (crime fungus)
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Nov 16, 2021 13:28
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there is a reason we’re destroying the planet with non fungal tokens. it’s because fungus is known to be criminals in the rest of the universe and they don’t want fungus tokens if they’re to sell us the warp drive plans
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Nov 16, 2021 13:30
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More like the fart cloud lmao
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Nov 16, 2021 14:03
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endocriminologist posted:just wait until we find planet 9 and it’s revealed to be an old space prison from which the originator of life escaped (crime fungus) hp Lovecraft's aliens from Pluto were fungoids. he knew  ordered the Loeb book, I've been blitzing through CHAOS and crack pinging several times (just got to Jolly West lmao) so can't wait to keep this train going
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Nov 16, 2021 14:28
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the virgin debunker: Kramer’s into thread, hasn’t looked at evidence since watching Men in Black in 1999, “jet pilots are morons, lol, they have no ability to track the speed of anything in the air” the chad thread lurker: already remote viewing the fungi based intelligent life to ask them who really established the Manson family
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Nov 16, 2021 14:35
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if the military has high res alien pics wouldn’t trump have seen them and told us about them?
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Nov 16, 2021 14:59
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cool av posted:if the military has high res alien pics wouldn’t trump have seen them and told us about them? he made some noises to the effect that he doesn't care about ufos when he was asked one time, so the funniest interpretation is that they tried and he didn't give a poo poo
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Nov 16, 2021 15:02
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they tried to show Biden the pics of 3.5 - 4.5 ft tall grays but he just kept trying to smell the pics
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Nov 16, 2021 15:03
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So I did the hemisync intro and as soon as the sound started (well, shortly after but soon enough after the warbling started) I was taken back to when I used to meditate. I recall the book I was reading from said to look for many points of light, like fireflies and so that's always how I would start. Sure enough, I saw points of light zipping around but they were more like shooting stars or flurries of snow swirling around at night. It was fascinating to see the same thing evoked but in a slightly different way. After you focused on the many points you were meant to focus on a singular point, like a candle flame, and sure enough the many points soon went away and I saw instead a pulsing figure like a nebula, but the energy seeming to pulsate inward to the core like a heartbeat. I think this may be a real thing. I don't know what sort of real thing but... real.
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Nov 16, 2021 15:35
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if you’ve tried this stuff before but bounced off or otherwise didn’t get anywhere, the real deal of the aiteeth was they changed the dip switches so some stuff is easier now
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Nov 16, 2021 15:52
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my bony fealty posted:they tried to show Biden the pics of 3.5 - 4.5 ft tall grays but he just kept trying to smell the pics No hair, do not care to sniff. Next item on the agenda,
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Nov 16, 2021 15:55
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Sextro posted:if you’ve tried this stuff before but bounced off or otherwise didn’t get anywhere, the real deal of the aiteeth was they changed the dip switches so some stuff is easier now Oumuamua was a service call
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Nov 16, 2021 16:25
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it dont matter posted:Isn't it definitely not Roswell? It's been a little while since I read it but my memory was that it was another alleged crash site in New Mexico from around the same time, which only a few people knew about and was being purposefully kept secret. Oh poo poo, maybe? I forgot Skinwalkers at the Pentagon on this road trip I'm on right now so I Kindled American Cosmic and was half nodding off for parts of it (cars and phone reading make me sleepy af) For the hemisync stuff - is this something you could reasonably take a shot at while winding down for the night or slipping into a hypnagogic state? Or would it be better off attempted with intention during waking hours? lmao that nerds are wandering in trying to start arguments and everyone's like "not now loser we're binaurally OPing ourselves"
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Nov 16, 2021 16:27
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Objurium posted:Oh poo poo, maybe? I forgot Skinwalkers at the Pentagon on this road trip I'm on right now so I Kindled American Cosmic and was half nodding off for parts of it (cars and phone reading make me sleepy af) I do it right before going to sleep and elements of it have started appearing in my dreams. I don't know if that's how you're supposed to do it but it's fun so far.
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Nov 16, 2021 16:35
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Objurium posted:Oh poo poo, maybe? I forgot Skinwalkers at the Pentagon on this road trip I'm on right now so I Kindled American Cosmic and was half nodding off for parts of it (cars and phone reading make me sleepy af) Nerds: "The sky snake isn't real what the gently caress are you all talking about look at these charts" Me, to the sky snake: "Get a load of this jackass, huh?"
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Nov 16, 2021 16:44
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Pooky posted:https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1460518004630851584 jizz bozos lmao
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Nov 16, 2021 16:46
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Sleekly posted:the bit about Oumuamua first observed at an 'at rest' speed was the stunning bit for me. Well, that's kinda what I'd expect of a random bit of interstellar debris that's had time to virialize within the milky way disc.
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Nov 16, 2021 16:47
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It's wild that we dream for 1/3 of our lives or so and science is like 
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Nov 16, 2021 16:50
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Nerds: "The sky snake isn't real what the gently caress are you all talking about look at these charts" Oh poo poo you've seen that homie too? I made this after a visit to the mycelium dimension a few months ago lmao 
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Nov 16, 2021 16:50
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i thought american cosmic was kinda bad and palsulka comes of as a credulous tourist in a world of hustlers
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Nov 16, 2021 16:54
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Lampsacus posted:Isn't the idea that the O came from the Oort cloud? And therefore an 'at rest' speed is expected. And then it accelerates because it's barrelling towards the sun. I don't know, I need to read the book. Also, plus one rec. for American Cosmic. There is an excellent podcast with the author. Oort cloud origin is unlikely because the kinetic energy of the object indicates a hyperbolic trajectory, i.e. not bound by our solar system but from outside of it. That's what got everyone's attention. Yes it accelerated due to gravity but we also observed "non-gravitational acceleration" as it *left* the solar system, without any observed outgassing!
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Nov 16, 2021 16:54
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Saw a hosed up object in focus 12 and at the time I was like lol wtf is that that's not possible and only later learned what I saw was a torus
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Nov 16, 2021 16:54
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skewetoo posted:It's wild that we dream for 1/3 of our lives or so and science is like How about the existence of consciousness, a fundamental and inescapable fact of reality, the only thing we know with certainty, something ontologically distinct from literally all of physical science? Science is a grand project for producing knowledge, and the importance of it cannot be overstated, but this project takes place within a larger context, that of being an incarnated human being on planet earth. Rickshaw has issued a correction as of 17:06 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Nov 16, 2021 17:02
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The Saucer Hovers posted:i thought american cosmic was kinda bad and palsulka comes of as a credulous tourist in a world of hustlers same, honestly. The guy she meets that takes them to the "secret" debris field hits every cliche, including "I invented so many amazing things no you can't see them they're secret." She brings along a supposed expert scientist to examine the debris, but all she relays of his data is poo poo like "It's so amazing, I have no idea what it is." I do material characterization work and there are no details, let alone anything that actually sounds credible about it.
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Nov 16, 2021 17:07
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What's funny about the gateway/hemisync thing is that I am seeing the repetition of that swirling/crashing wave movement that was the shooting stars in my mind's eye everywhere now this morning the way the leaves sway and fall, birds swooping around, bugs, the wind and clouds that motion is everywhere
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Nov 16, 2021 17:08
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Here, I have a post where I quoted bits of American Cosmic: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3967914&userid=143367&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post515323882 The one that really bugs me I'll re-quote here, because quote:James and Tyler believed they had evidence, not just faith, to support their belief in the extraterrestrial source of the artifacts and the authenticity of the crash site. Prior to this trip, Tyler had given James an analysis of some of the parts. James knew what he was looking at, and, according to him, if this analysis actually corresponded to the makeup of the artifacts, then they were one of two things: they were something that someone paid millions, if not billions, of dollars to fabricate or “something” made them somewhere other than on Earth with technologies we did not understand. there's no detail. Just a claim that these materials are incredible. Tell me how. I don't need a whole scientific paper, but if you're making that claim, at least give me the overview.
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Nov 16, 2021 17:16
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Rickshaw posted:How about the existence of consciousness, a fundamental and inescapable fact of reality, the only thing we know with certainty, something ontologically distinct from literally all of physical science? Science is a grand project for producing knowledge, and the importance of it cannot be overstated, but this project takes place within a larger context, that of being an incarnated human being on planet earth. bah gawd, that's david hoffman's music
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Nov 16, 2021 17:28
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Log082 posted:Here, I have a post where I quoted bits of American Cosmic: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3967914&userid=143367&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post515323882 Yeah that's fair. I suppose the level that I engage with most of the fringe parts of ufology is essentially like "whoa that's neat to think about" rather than something more clinical, but even even the author's stated hesitance to engage with Tyler because he was rumored to be "an agent" followed by subsequently being won over when he shows how charismatic he is through a series of non-consensually filmed video interviews was pretty cool lmao
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