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So, normally I dont have issues with Sealed, but this time I ended up playing U/R aggro..ish? and it went 2-2 out which was okay but not great. Should i have been playing green? I think Oddity is top tier, and Colossus/Cadet/Hunter are all pretty good. Or does anyone have a U/R list to share, since maybe I'm playing bad cards. http://draftsim.com/draft.php?mode=Sealed_VOW&pool_id=k22x6XWQJ
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They released the set list for the Innistrad Double Feature draft box: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/innistrad-double-feature-product-overview-2021-11-15 For some reason, I had thought all the cards would be in the eternal night showcase treatment, but instead it's just B&W versions of the regular art.
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Nov 15, 2021 18:30
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:So, normally I dont have issues with Sealed, but this time I ended up playing U/R aggro..ish? and it went 2-2 out which was okay but not great. Should i have been playing green? I think Oddity is top tier, and Colossus/Cadet/Hunter are all pretty good. Or does anyone have a U/R list to share, since maybe I'm playing bad cards. I feel confident saying you should've been playing UG with the 5 good to great fliers or G/R.  This is how I'd build, at a glance TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Nov 15, 2021 18:33
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HootTheOwl posted:Ok so between MID and VOW how many did you get So I started playing arena seriously at the beginning of MID. I have had an account since beta though not with much stuff on it. I think I started with 25k gold, 8k gems, 5 mythic WCs and 15ish rare WCs. I did 24 MID drafts over the season, and played a bit of standard using the welcome deck to get to plat and mostly brawl to hit 4 wins most days. I ended up buying the season pass and then cracking all my packs at the end. I got a helpful email saying that amounted to 147 packs and I am now at 60k gold 9k gems after buying the VOW pass, with I'd say 60% rare & mythic coverage from MID and my WCs are at 26/53. So if you buy a lump of gems once and draft reasonably well and hit your dailies it's not actually that bad.
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Nov 15, 2021 18:55
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So I started playing arena seriously at the beginning of MID. I have had an account since beta though not with much stuff on it. I think I started with 25k gold, 8k gems, 5 mythic WCs and 15ish rare WCs. I did 24 MID drafts over the season, and played a bit of standard using the welcome deck to get to plat and mostly brawl to hit 4 wins most days. I ended up buying the season pass and then cracking all my packs at the end. I got a helpful email saying that amounted to 147 packs and I am now at 60k gold 9k gems after buying the VOW pass, with I'd say 60% rare & mythic coverage from MID and my WCs are at 26/53. So if you buy a lump of gems once and draft reasonably well and hit your dailies it's not actually that bad. That sounds awful to me and seems to support my "you couldn't build a new deck for the new set, only improve an existing one" belief.
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Nov 15, 2021 19:10
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The advice "just have a winning record in draft" forgets that there are two players in every draft game, and that for people to have winning records other people must have losing records. I don't think you can ignore how the Arena economy feels to those people. If you've been playing in GPs for years, your experience might not be representative of someone who's been playing the game for a year and hasn't devoted themselves to getting better and playing at a high level. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Nov 15, 2021 19:21
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:So, normally I dont have issues with Sealed, but this time I ended up playing U/R aggro..ish? and it went 2-2 out which was okay but not great. Should i have been playing green? I think Oddity is top tier, and Colossus/Cadet/Hunter are all pretty good. Or does anyone have a U/R list to share, since maybe I'm playing bad cards. i went with this...  into the night might be too expensive though but seems like the werewolves in this deck will ping out 1/2 toughness creatures, while howling moon giving +2/+2 to a wolf each turn is pretty crazy and if they try to go back to day you get a free 2/2 wolf. i dropped cloaked cadet because his cost and his 2/4 didn't seem good when you're trying to just get to one of your bigger creatures and by the time you get to those you probably don't need the training... ancestral anger could probably be traded out for other things too but it at least draws a card. but who knows... i built a B/R vampire deck yesterday with tons of them having blood token abilities and the best i could hold was 5.. and went 0-3 so yeah.. edit: just realized only not enough non-creature spells to play kessig.. so maybe switch that out for dawnhart disciple or just use as a blocker Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Nov 15, 2021 19:25
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HootTheOwl posted:If I'm reading this correctly though you only got about 10, plus 60% coverage. That coverage isn't 4-of right? 1 is the same as 100? No that is coverage-of-playsets. I can check after work but without purchasing any packs or redeeming any WCs I ended up net WCs and am most of the way to getting every/rare mythic, so that if I DID want to redeem a WC I am more likely than not half or mostly there.
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Nov 15, 2021 19:31
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TacoNight posted:They released the set list for the Innistrad Double Feature draft box: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/innistrad-double-feature-product-overview-2021-11-15 the weird thing is that the set list is just "everything from MID and VOW." I could've sworn they were saying this would be a curated list
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Nov 15, 2021 19:32
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I believe the math still bears out that it makes sense to use all your gold and gems on drafts even if you’re very bad at them. It of course may not be all that fun to slog through them if you aren’t having a good time (and are under no obligation to draft) The economy is pretty punishing and it’s pretty hard to get established and yeah I do think it takes several sets to build up enough wildcards to have multiple competitive decks going in standard. Once you’re up and running though it’s fairly easy to maintain and adjust and even branch into new deck archetypes. Probably the worst thing Wizards has done is make rare dual lands a staple of most sets. It’s punishing to make 40 rare cards every set necessary to have all the colors you need to play every deck. And also….boring.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:16
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And also painful to pass them in draft.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:22
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Mike N Eich posted:Probably the worst thing Wizards has done is make rare dual lands a staple of most sets. It’s punishing to make 40 rare cards every set necessary to have all the colors you need to play every deck. And also….boring. Your point is well-taken but it's 20/set, as they rarely (ever?) do full 10-guild (or 10-tri color) cycles of lands.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:56
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TipTow posted:Your point is well-taken but it's 20/set, as they rarely (ever?) do full 10-guild (or 10-tri color) cycles of lands. Iirc last one was Kaldheim, and they made them common.
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Nov 15, 2021 21:00
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Thranguy posted:Iirc last one was Kaldheim, and they made them common. Forgot all about the snow tap lands, was thinking more about rare duals. Though that does bring up that they did 6/10 pathways for Zendikar and the other 4 in Kaldheim.
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Nov 15, 2021 21:09
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Trioms are great lands and I am a little shocked it took them this long to make. I feel like a fetchable, cycle land just checks all the boxes for me.
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Nov 15, 2021 21:13
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Sickening posted:Trioms are great lands and I am a little shocked it took them this long to make. I feel like a fetchable, cycle land just checks all the boxes for me. There were typed cycling duals in Amonkhet, too. I'm surprised that the triomes saw print because they're really strong and a huge step up from the uncommon trilands from khans/alara, but hey I'm def not complaining.
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Nov 15, 2021 21:19
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The arena economy is super easy to understand. Any given rare costs a little less than 1200 gems, the price for 6 packs to guarantee a wildcard. You have a tiny chance of opening the card you want in one of those 6 boosters, making your next rare free technically. As you fill out more playsets duplicate rares will give you 1/10th of a pack in gems so the price goes down a little bit more, but yeah, if you buy gems $99 at a time each rare, whether its jank or meta-defining is worth roughly $6 apiece
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Nov 15, 2021 21:32
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Sickening posted:Trioms are great lands and I am a little shocked it took them this long to make. I feel like a fetchable, cycle land just checks all the boxes for me. Wotc needs to reprint the Lairs in Brothers War and complete the cycle in Dominaria Reborn or whatever it's called
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Nov 15, 2021 23:05
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Sickening posted:Trioms are great lands and I am a little shocked it took them this long to make. I feel like a fetchable, cycle land just checks all the boxes for me. We only have half the triomes too right? I wonder if we’ll see the friendly versions…
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Nov 15, 2021 23:05
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I have been waiting with bated breath for my Bant, Esper, Grixis, and Jund tricycles. Give them to me now!!! Naya would be fine too but I don't see myself ever playing taplands in a Naya deck
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Nov 15, 2021 23:07
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If you play to 4 wins a day, you get enough gold for 20 bot drafts each set, plus your winnings from those feed back in to more drafts. Even if you mostly end up 2-3, that's still more drafts than most people played in paper of each format. Drafts against other players are even better value if you get a few wins but there's a steeper reward cliff, you really really don't want to go 1-3 in them. If you get baited into throwing your gold at the worthless cosmetics instead of the things that get you cards then yeah, your rate of card acquisition will be slower and you might have more need to spend money to get the cards you want. That's the entire reason they sell you the cosmetics.
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Nov 16, 2021 00:01
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But drafting is such a chore when I only have like twenty minutes after work before I have to go make dinner, but it looks like that's the only way not to pour money into this game and get a decent deck. Also I just generally hate limited.
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HootTheOwl posted:Also I just generally hate limited.
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I love limited but not for how much they charge vs how badly you can dud out at 3 or fewer wins. What's the term for a free version with drastically reduced or nonexistent prizes? Shadow? I'd like a like 500 gold practice draft that you can get a rare or two from and don't get to keep the stuff you draft, just to have a cheap draft option tbh
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Captain Invictus posted:I love limited but not for how much they charge vs how badly you can dud out at 3 or fewer wins. What's the term for a free version with drastically reduced or nonexistent prizes? Shadow? I'd like a like 500 gold practice draft that you can get a rare or two from and don't get to keep the stuff you draft, just to have a cheap draft option tbh It's phantom draft, and the good news is that free phantom drafting Crimson Vow is the midweek magic this week.
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Nov 16, 2021 00:32
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Captain Invictus posted:I love limited but not for how much they charge vs how badly you can dud out at 3 or fewer wins. What's the term for a free version with drastically reduced or nonexistent prizes? Shadow? I'd like a like 500 gold practice draft that you can get a rare or two from and don't get to keep the stuff you draft, just to have a cheap draft option tbh It's overpriced for sure, but I can tell myself it's cheaper than the lgs would be, not even factoring in the beer and tacos that would involve.
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Nov 16, 2021 00:43
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:It's overpriced for sure, but I can tell myself it's cheaper than the lgs would be, not even factoring in the beer and tacos that would involve. Ok but the beer and tacos should be a mark in the LGS’s favor
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Nov 16, 2021 00:49
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Ok but the beer and tacos should be a mark in the LGS’s favor it also funded many, many booster packs for a poor kid such as me because I would do pizza + soda runs for tournaments, charging 5 bucks for a slice and a soda(when it cost me about a third of that). effort tax!
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Nov 16, 2021 00:56
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Silhouette posted:Wotc needs to reprint the Lairs in Brothers War and complete the cycle in Dominaria Reborn or whatever it's called Wotc needs to print the other 16 lands in the megacycle that Torment started with those 4.
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Nov 16, 2021 02:09
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Wizards should reprint the original dual lands at common
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Nov 16, 2021 02:30
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Thranguy posted:Wotc needs to print the other 16 lands in the megacycle that Torment started with those 4.  Finish the "tainted" cycle you cowards
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Nov 16, 2021 03:15
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Silhouette posted:
It's already finished. Tainted Field, Isle, Peak, Wood. And Everglades. 
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Nov 16, 2021 03:23
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Wizards shouldn’t reprint the ABUR duals, but they should send me some Alpha copies for my years-long loyalty to this game.
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Nov 16, 2021 05:05
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Really growing to hate the free pitch elementals, there should be a risk to tapping out lmao. Also elementals and ephemerate make for some rancid feels in certain games. If anyone was looking for a cheap standard deck to dropkick best of one, here’s a good one. (I was playing uw magecraft delver before VOW came out)
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Mezzanon posted:Really growing to hate the free pitch elementals, there should be a risk to tapping out lmao. Also elementals and ephemerate make for some rancid feels in certain games. It's a two for one almost every time I think they're fine (except fury, the only one that can be card advantage for free). What i don't like is that their ability is a straight up ETB so that you can ephemerate.
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Nov 16, 2021 14:28
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Here for the quarterly update: How were/are the two Innistrad sets?
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Rinkles posted:Here for the quarterly update: How were/are the two Innistrad sets?
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Nov 16, 2021 15:42
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MID is a fun draft environment that made Izzet Turns even more oppressive and consistent, and VOW is a bomb-heavy format that won't change the fact that alrunds epiphany needs a ban in standard
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Nov 16, 2021 15:44
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I think I'm enjoying VOW limited a little more than MID even when I lose, it seems like there's a little more variety in viable archetypes besides gently caress You Blue/Black
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Mezzanon posted:Really growing to hate the free pitch elementals, there should be a risk to tapping out lmao. Also elementals and ephemerate make for some rancid feels in certain games. Agreed. A local plays greifblade in modern almost exclusively and T1 greif/ephemerate, T2 stoneforge, T3 kaldra complete is a completely miserable play pattern. When it happens
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