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serious gaylord posted:Its full knives out now. Isn't it just? It's loving great  
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Nov 16, 2021 23:29
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If it actually brings the loving government and the Tory establishment down in a way that achieves lasting change then I'll celebrate. The odds of that happening are about the same as the odds of me being struck by a meteorite before hitting "Submit Reply" on this post, and.... nope.
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Nov 16, 2021 23:46
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Sorry don't mean to be too blackpilled ITT but at best you'll get a different and likely worse Tory oval office in No.10 (like Keir Starmer) and it's all just so tiring.
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Nov 16, 2021 23:48
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lol if you think Keith is ever going to be PM, he’s going to get kicked long before the next GE
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WhatEvil posted:Sorry don't mean to be too blackpilled ITT but at best you'll get a different and likely worse Tory oval office in No.10 (like Keir Starmer) and it's all just so tiring. Yeah I mean, we're still 3 years from a general election so this isn't going to get the tories out or change the trajectory we're on. Next election you'll have Red Wall(tm) voter vox pops saying "I'm sick of how it's all going we need a change so that's why I'm voting tory." Still fun to see them eat each other. gently caress, remember the first time Johnson was going for PM and Gove backstabbed him? That was great.
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Nov 16, 2021 23:51
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It's hilarious. Leadership changes in the "we're bastards but at least we're competent" party always turn out like a knife fight in a phone box. I guess it's because they run a strong managed democracy for the formal selection process, so when there's a rumour of instability everyone has a brief opportunity to toxify their rivals so the 1922 committee can't select them as a candidate. Then there's that awkward period where they all pretend to ally with someone whose drink problem they were just anonymously briefing about. It's a shame to see Gove go down so early, but also a kindness. He showed strong form in 2019 and even made it to the finals, but this time round he's got too much baggage with the ex-wife. He's a liability these days. Sunak's keeping his powder dry but that's a smart move. Staying on the inside he can spike or support any desperate policy announcements and bargain for more control if Johnson remains in. He'd be on the last helicopter out if Johnson fell, but that'd look like loyalty. He has plenty of time left to do a quick lap of the back benches before displacing a continuity candidate and leading the party into the 2024 election. Hunt could be one to watch. He's been too quiet of late. Comes across as managerial and a well turned out not-Boris. Bit of a dishrag, but then he's up against Starmer so no risk there.
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Nov 17, 2021 00:12
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I wish labour were as indiscriminately vicious at the top tbh.
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Nov 17, 2021 00:18
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Remember that the best media strategy you can possibly have is to release all your dirty laundry when it's going to be the second item on the news. Most people won't hear, a lot of those won't care and then whenever it gets brought up again then it's old news. The only exception to this is when it's part of a wider narrative which relies on public consciousness, broadly meaning media narrative and reminding the public, that this is an issue. All of these obvious corrupt dealings only matter if they are referenced next week when talking about the state of the party or the politician in question, otherwise it's just dumping all the filth in the river and hoping there aren't any receipts left around for anyone important to find to point a finger straight at a person.
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Nov 17, 2021 00:39
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I don't have any hope that things are going to improve, and we are destined for a right wing fascist dystopia for at least a decade or more.... ....but I can still milk the schadenfreude by watching them all fight to the death in the Westminster thunderdome. e: I forgot the link I came to post https://twitter.com/thefreepress2/status/1460729103003365377 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Nov 17, 2021 00:42
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Julio Cruz posted:lol if you think Keith is ever going to be PM, he’s going to get kicked long before the next GE Round of applause for our next Prime Minister, Wes Streeting
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Nov 17, 2021 00:45
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Karmically we are owed over 250k dead tories.
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Nov 17, 2021 00:45
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I also love how much the Tories are infighting over Chope. Just look at that strong stability and party unity... lmao https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1460621336234147844
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Nov 17, 2021 00:50
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namesake posted:Remember that the best media strategy you can possibly have is to release all your dirty laundry when it's going to be the second item on the news. Most people won't hear, a lot of those won't care and then whenever it gets brought up again then it's old news. The only exception to this is when it's part of a wider narrative which relies on public consciousness, broadly meaning media narrative and reminding the public, that this is an issue. All of these obvious corrupt dealings only matter if they are referenced next week when talking about the state of the party or the politician in question, otherwise it's just dumping all the filth in the river and hoping there aren't any receipts left around for anyone important to find to point a finger straight at a person. tbh I half assumed the entire reason all this stuff was coming out now was because they've got inside info about the queen's health and think she'll die pretty shortly so feel safe that the sleaze stuff will be forgotten forever as that takes over the entire news cycle.
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Nov 17, 2021 00:54
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fuctifino posted:I also love how much the Tories are infighting over Chope. Just look at that strong stability and party unity... lmao Makes me wonder what additional income Alicia Kearns is hoping to sweep under the rug of "Look, we've dealt with this already,"
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Nov 17, 2021 00:58
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Labour Kenny got outplayed by Boris loving Johnson Big lols all around and a big lol If Kennys reign lasts to a GE
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Nov 17, 2021 07:06
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The Tory back benches are gonna revolt over the second jobs rules. Most of them are completely safe in their seats, and I have no problem believing they would rather topple the government than lose half their income. I dunno if even Boris could get out of proposing these rules then withdrawing them.
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Nov 17, 2021 10:50
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If I thought anyone in Number 10 was competent I could see this as a (very high risk but high reward) move. By doing this he's forcing a lot of people to go on record saying "Well actually I can barely live on 250k a year", not coincidentally almost all of them major political rivals of his. Forcing it to a whipped vote gives him ammo to throw all of them out of the party and replace them with weirdo Thatcherjugend like Ben Bradley and Dehenna Davison who would lack the political nous and contacts to threaten him and of course all his press chums will laud his amazing leadership in cleaning out the sleaze. I don't think this is at all what he's doing, but there's a non-zero chance this might be an accidental outcome.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:08
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I don’t see there as being any such thing as a ‘correct definition’, only ones that are more or less useful. Making the distinction between terrorism, state terror, war crimes, genocide and so on seems to me useful because they are different things with different properties, causes and remedies. For example, the Holocaust was at least nominally secret; there were no headlines boasting about the successful attainment of extermination targets. That is because the goal was not to use media reports to intimidate targets, but to have them no longer exist. Meanwhile, the identity of those doing the killing was not particularly secret records were kept, uniforms were worn, orders travelled by formal channels. This is because those responsible firmly controlled the state; they were not worried about the police coming and arresting them.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:18
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I don't think major political rivals will be his problem. They're careerists and will fall in line. Plus his biggest most obvious rival is stupidly rich and will have no issues with this. It's the rank and file Tories who are secure in their seats, aren't ministers and never will be, and double their income with this stuff. They are not going to be happy at all.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:18
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peanut- posted:I don't think major political rivals will be his problem. They're careerists and will fall in line. Plus his biggest most obvious rival is stupidly rich and will have no issues with this. Just lol at the idea of Tory members electing Rishi Sunak. Have you seen the colour of his skin? The Tory membership are loving lunatics
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Nov 17, 2021 11:27
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They'll elect him the same way that they elected the last few Tory leaders, all the other candidates will slip and fall on a pile of child skeletons that fly out of their closets and decide to drop out of the race for personal reasons.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:33
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Also the membership absolutely will elect Sunak, sorry. The only thing that ultimately matters to Tories is that you're a Tory.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:35
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peanut- posted:Also the membership absolutely will elect Sunak, sorry. The only thing that ultimately matters to Tories is that you're a Tory. Lol nope. The tory party membership are heavily weighted to the most awful parts of their base and are definitely spiteful racist reactionaries as a voting majority. Andrea Leadsom was going to be leader if it had come to a vote.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:54
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radmonger posted:I don’t see there as being any such thing as a ‘correct definition’, only ones that are more or less useful. Making the distinction between terrorism, state terror, war crimes, genocide and so on seems to me useful because they are different things with different properties, causes and remedies. In academic study, there are sometimes reasons to lump e.g. state terror, paramilitary groups, "lone wolf" nutjobs &c into one category so that you can examine common threads (e.g. my partner's research focuses on terrorist propaganda, wrt which there are common themes throughout all 3 of the above that you can draw lessons from). In terms of public policy, it might be more helpful to be more discriminatory, since very different responses are necessary to organised paramilitaries, angry loners having mental health crises, hostile foreign powers, far right groups &c. Or, it might not, when you can identity the same patterns of behaviour in e.g. radicalisation,* or the utility of counternarratives. The point is, when I hear people/the news discussing whether or not something is terrorism, I tend to roll my eyes because people tend to just either go on an unexamined emotional assumption or uncritically accept the state's obvious nonsense or both, without considering (a)what they're basing the definition on, or (b)what the contextual purpose of the distinction even is. In general, a better question than "was this a terror" is just "what were the motives". *for the record this is another phrase that gets flung around in terrorist discourse without considering its meaning & therefore producing stupid & counterproductive results. Like, where someone starts at point A "my ethnic/national/religious group is being oppressed" & works their way to point B "therefore blow up a bunch of innocent people", the state seems to think that point A is the radicalisation rather than point B, and so just do stuff like Prevent which only exacerbates the fact that actually point A is often a fair loving point Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Nov 17, 2021 11:56
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The next tory leader will be a pig ignorant mumsnetter. They will be a Christian reactionary fascist elected on an explicit 'send em back' ticket. Quote this when it happens in six months time.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:03
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The next Labour leader will be a boring managerial Liberal who will have the support of the guardian but will crater in the polls. The next 2 years will be twitter blue checks pleading to give them more time to bloviate around the fringes of policy before eventually settling on 'means tested dog ID cards' or something equally dumb.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:08
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Payndz posted:Ugh, I just realised I'm going to be using the phrase "[PERSON FROM MY YOUTH] died?" with increasing frequency over time. Real heads will know.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:11
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keep punching joe posted:The next Labour leader will be a boring managerial Liberal who will have the support of the guardian but will crater in the polls. Are you posting from December 2019?
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Nov 17, 2021 12:12
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Only Kindness posted:Speaking of, Bernie Drummond just passed away. RIP, many hours of my childhood spent playing Toyota Celica GT Rally on this monstrosity. 
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Nov 17, 2021 12:16
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Only Kindness posted:Speaking of, Bernie Drummond just passed away.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:21
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I find this very bizarre. Why isn't he in Broadmoor or similar? Why doesn't he have a decent cell with TV etc even if the powers that be have decided he should be in solitary for ever? https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpools-cannibal-killer-set-die-22148514 quote:A Liverpool man branded 'Hannibal Lecter' made a name for himself by killing child molesters in a series of attacks that sent chills down people's spines.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:22
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I find this very bizarre. Why isn't he in Broadmoor or similar? Why doesn't he have a decent cell with TV etc even if the powers that be have decided he should be in solitary for ever? Agreed, this just seems utterly bizarre and vindictive. There is too much focus in the prison system on punishment rather than treatment - and even in a case like this where it has been 'decided' that he can't be safe to be released ever, why be so cruel?
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Nov 17, 2021 12:30
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https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1460893292833423360?t=4WxJ-Q_wxZJ59JU4PiJ5GQ&s=19 Brexit seems to be a continued onslaught of annoyances and frustration until everything explodes
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I find this very bizarre. Why isn't he in Broadmoor or similar? Why doesn't he have a decent cell with TV etc even if the powers that be have decided he should be in solitary for ever? What the gently caress
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Nov 17, 2021 12:32
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fuctifino posted:I also love how much the Tories are infighting over Chope. Just look at that strong stability and party unity... lmao New generation of Tories suddenly realising their party is 90% shrivelled old evil cunts
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Nov 17, 2021 12:33
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Red Oktober posted:Agreed, this just seems utterly bizarre and vindictive. There is too much focus in the prison system on punishment rather than treatment - and even in a case like this where it has been 'decided' that he can't be safe to be released ever, why be so cruel? Because Daily Mail readers love it.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:33
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1460893292833423360?t=4WxJ-Q_wxZJ59JU4PiJ5GQ&s=19 Pretty sure this is actually in protest of Section 75 tbh
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Nov 17, 2021 12:33
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keep punching joe posted:RIP, many hours of my childhood spent playing Toyota Celica GT Rally on this monstrosity. 
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The 9 Insulate Britain protesters have been sentenced to 3-4 months each in prison apart from this guy: https://twitter.com/rachaelvenables/status/1460593839295582212 .... who was given 6 months for some inexplicable reason.
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