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Atopian posted:"You can't get married until you have a house." This is what I thought too when I saw that. I didn't say it because, gently caress it it's just an anecdote, I don't know that many people. But I live in Henan, and almost universally, everyone young person I know who owns a house is in this situation. You wanna get married, you have to have a house. You can't afford a house in Zhengzhou, because of course you can't. But you have to work in Zhengzhou, because what are you going to do in Luoyang? So you have a tiny, really crappy house in the outskirts of Kaifeng or Zhoukou. You don't actually live in it, you rent in Zhengzhou, but you can say you have a house. crepeface posted:this thing that could be happening is definitely happening and also its the worst possible scenario where they don't have drinkable water because of lead pipe poisoning. The water in Henan is actually undrinkable, because of this. Everyone just kind of accepts it, and you pay for a water guy/live in a community with a communal water thing/carry a bottle to wherever they sell clean water near you. I think it's a similar situation in most of China? I'm not sure, but definitely is in Henan though.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:02
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crepeface posted:sorry didnt read past this bit of the stream of consciousness brain dump those crazy mexicans and their well known racial propensity for getting help from their parents
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Nov 17, 2021 06:04
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BrainDance posted:This is what I thought too when I saw that. I didn't say it because, gently caress it it's just an anecdote, I don't know that many people. But I live in Henan, and almost universally, everyone young person I know who owns a house is in this situation. You wanna get married, you have to have a house. You can't afford a house in Zhengzhou, because of course you can't. But you have to work in Zhengzhou, because what are you going to do in Luoyang? So you have a tiny, really crappy house in the outskirts of Kaifeng or Zhoukou. You don't actually live in it, you rent in Zhengzhou, but you can say you have a house. sounds way better than the US right now
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Nov 17, 2021 06:05
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THS2 posted:sounds way better than the US right now Have you been to Henan?
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Nov 17, 2021 06:06
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BrainDance posted:Have you been to Henan? Is it getting worse and is there no hope in the next 30 years of healthcare or help from anyone
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Nov 17, 2021 06:08
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have you been to.. East Austin
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Nov 17, 2021 06:09
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even if we accept that chinese millennials dont own real homes just crappy ones in the middle of nowhere to appease their inscrutable neoconfucian cultural stratum the graph still shows that one a fuckton of chinese millennials can apparently buy homes without their parents help two that apparently its nearly impossible to buy homes without parental help in any other country anybody bothered to measure and three the alternative to not having a crappy home in the middle of nowhere is just not having a home at all its not like millennials in other countries are just sitting on mounds of cash they could use to invest in a crappy home in the middle of nowhere if they felt like it
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Nov 17, 2021 06:11
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THS2 posted:have you been to.. East Austin bruh
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Nov 17, 2021 06:14
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BrainDance posted:This is what I thought too when I saw that. I didn't say it because, gently caress it it's just an anecdote, I don't know that many people. But I live in Henan, and almost universally, everyone young person I know who owns a house is in this situation. You wanna get married, you have to have a house. You can't afford a house in Zhengzhou, because of course you can't. But you have to work in Zhengzhou, because what are you going to do in Luoyang? So you have a tiny, really crappy house in the outskirts of Kaifeng or Zhoukou. You don't actually live in it, you rent in Zhengzhou, but you can say you have a house. idk about henan, but it sounds like it's because of a drought? what i'm objecting to is taking anecdotes or individual problems and immediately jumping to the least generous extrapolation of a national crisis resulting from the evil ccp's nefarious plans that's not even that bad. THS2 posted:sounds way better than the US right now wb buddy, what happened to your old account?
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Nov 17, 2021 06:14
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crepeface posted:
killed it and replaced it with this trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qObroc0QC-U
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Nov 17, 2021 06:19
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I got too panicked to the old account and no one is allowed to reference my previous beliefs.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:20
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btw if anyone has an article about this chinese millennials are buying lovely homes in the middle of nowhere phemonenon id be very interested in reading it even if its something thats written in chinese that id have to run through a translator
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Nov 17, 2021 06:21
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r.i.p the old flesh
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Nov 17, 2021 06:22
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strategically and within a Marxist lens, I am still extremely pro the current Chinese state. Doing great, in my estimation.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:25
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crepeface posted:idk about henan, but it sounds like it's because of a drought? I'm not trying for the least generous thing, I'm trying to square the statistics from that graph with the experience of all the Chinese millennials I talk to, whose pay in no way measures up to being able to buy a house in the place they work without assistance. Maybe I just meet poor people idk? Are things worse in the US? Sure looks like it. Am I interested in that? Not really, never intend to visit.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:26
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Atopian posted:I'm not trying for the least generous thing, I'm trying to square the statistics from that graph with the experience of all the Chinese millennials I talk to, whose pay in no way measures up to being able to buy a house in the place they work without assistance. Maybe I just meet poor people idk? thing are much worse in the US, and we aren't doing well. I work at a landfill and it's constant panic attacks to get the trash going. maybe you should get some perspective.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:29
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got confused.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:30
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THS2 posted:Is it getting worse and is there no hope in the next 30 years of healthcare or help from anyone Actually yeah. I love Henan, and don't see myself being someplace else, but life is really hard for a lot of Henan, it shares a lot of problems with the US. The normal wages for Henan are very low compared to a lot of other places in China. I guess the comparison you could make between most places in Henan and Shanghai is like California and rural Kentucky or something, especially outside of Zhengzhou. I feel like the gap is probably even bigger than that, relatively, though. You have a lot of people in Henan who have to travel very far for work, the factories will pay you 2000rmb a month usually, but the hours are pretty nuts. People used to be farmers around here, and there are definitely lots of farmers still, but their income has plummeted (relatively) and become pretty unstable since it depends on so many parts of the market which for the past few years have been unstable too. A lot of them, around here at least, are getting by on maybe 1000rmb to 2000rmb a month. Because of this, because you need money to take care of kids, you got cities where more children are "left behind," 留守儿童, than not. It gets rough. There are large kind of corporate farms like you have in America, too. That is not what most of the farmers in Henan are. China does not have universal healthcare. It has subsidized healthcare in some places but, still, on a Henan wage most healthcare is way beyond your reach. So for a lot of people they're stuck with basically the same option people have in America, there's a very similar app to gofundme in China, and it's mostly people asking for donations for medical care. I'm from Michigan, the part that got a netflix series, so I know how it can get in America. In Zhengzhou if you're a college graduate it seems like the standard wage is 3500 a month, you can make more sometimes though. Then like everywhere in China, there's a huge, huge gap between normal wages and then a group of people making an absolutely insane wage, people who work in "property" usually, and that fucks up the average. It doesn't help that the rest of China judges the gently caress out of people from Henan, and it's mostly because people are poor here.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:32
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Lightningproof posted:definitely the most striking thing was the general sentiment that tomorrow had something in it that would be worth waking up for yeah it owns, as an american it was quite a pleasant change
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Nov 17, 2021 06:34
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drat that all owns. the US is not like that at all.
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Nov 17, 2021 06:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-RBJNqdnoM
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Nov 17, 2021 06:45
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crepeface posted:idk about henan, but it sounds like it's because of a drought? The drinkable water thing? That's a thing, but even outside of drought the water is just like that and has been for apparently my fiancée's entire life at least, it's the pipes from what I've been told. That's kind of two separate things, you got the lead in the water and that's one reason you cant drink the water. But then sometimes they say the water is also not safe because of bacteria in it, for completely different reasons. Like we just had the Zhengzhou flood, and they were telling us not to use the tap for anything at all for a while after that. (not that I could, the flood knocked out the water completely from where I lived and we didn't get it back for two weeks.)
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Nov 17, 2021 06:46
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that sucks, I was making a joke about flint tbh edit: don't china have some kind of east-west province partnership thing? crepeface has issued a correction as of 07:15 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Nov 17, 2021 07:05
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THS2 posted:it's all technically Taiwan assets so I don't know how you can confuse that with US control, or with the militarization of the Korean peninsula, or the continued military occupation of Japan. i was referring to the october crisis aka the "cuban missile crisis"
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Nov 17, 2021 07:35
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which was obviously entirely justified considering the whole thing started with jupiter missiles being placed in turkey. i just thought it was a funny choice of analogy since there's historical precedent
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Nov 17, 2021 07:39
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Some Guy TT posted:btw if anyone has an article about this chinese millennials are buying lovely homes in the middle of nowhere phemonenon id be very interested in reading it even if its something thats written in chinese that id have to run through a translator https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007741/china-fantasizes-about-a-low-desire-life https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1008119/less-than-eden-chinas-rural-returnees-face-an-uncertain-future
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Nov 17, 2021 08:29
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Throatwarbler posted:Peng Shuai posted a fairly lengthy, rambling weibo post. is there a feminine version of the word simp because that seems like a better description of her attitude than concubine
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Nov 17, 2021 08:31
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https://twitter.com/business/status/1460879126424956933?s=20
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Nov 17, 2021 09:00
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That's a threat
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Nov 17, 2021 11:00
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Peter Daou Zen posted:at that age your interests should be improving the People's wellbeing, not plowing the fields of 20 somethings. What if he was just really into tennis though?
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Nov 17, 2021 11:16
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Atopian posted:People keep talking about the government recruiting former training centre teachers as public school teachers, but lol. this all sounds completely reasonable and correct and i wish i would've qualified my argument with this. i guess the CCP just decided that trying to take control over this morass of existing private schools wouldve been too much work, and probably wouldve turned into a prolonged circus on its own. nationalization of a single company like alibaba has been hard enough for the CCP, cant imagine what trying to integrate a thousand private school hierarchies infested with sexpests and pissed off owner-managers would be like still, it was definately badly conducted without proper preparations quote:Regarding public teaching jobs in China: there are none available anywhere anyone would want to work. They are already taken by friends and family of school principals, etc. Highly prized, fought over, all that stuff.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:30
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Some Guy TT posted:is there a feminine version of the word simp because that seems like a better description of her attitude than concubine Good news, simp is gender neutral Though could be more gold digger
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Nov 17, 2021 12:42
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https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1460628770847707138
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Nov 17, 2021 12:56
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Nice to see the UK exporting stuff of negative value
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Nov 17, 2021 13:10
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anything ever worn by a nazi is tainted by the nazi vapours
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Nov 17, 2021 13:13
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re: crackdown on tutoring schools/homework, i wonder how much it's going to affect the myopia epidemic
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Nov 17, 2021 13:18
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e: oops
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Nov 17, 2021 13:21
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Oh no not the alpine! Anything but the alpine!
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Nov 17, 2021 13:24
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Full english translation of the CPC's historical resolution from the plenum thing. Don't have time to read the whole thing now but seems interesting. http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/16/c_1310314611.htm "We must remain on guard against the erosive influence of Western trends of political thought, including the so-called constitutionalism, alternation of power between political parties, and separation of powers." 
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Nov 17, 2021 13:40
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My impression of the historical resolution * not much change of the Mao part, remain 1981 resolution of condemning Mao's late economic and domestic policies. * not much change to the Deng part, remain positive praise to the Deng economic reform, but less coverage. Also hint at change from the Deng ideology of "continue economic reform" to a new economic phase. * no new verdict on Tiananmen but phrase it in a softer tone (政治风波 translate to "political storm/trouble" which is a neutral word, not calling it a riot or tumult, mention "foreign actors" but doesn't say anything about "students" and what have you * long coverage of Xi's 2 terms including lot of detail of the anti corruption campaigns, which is IMO low profile blaming Jiang and Hu and build a case for Xi's third term. * more words for the "great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation" which is IMO building up a case for unifying Taiwan at the set goal point of 2049. This is just a very very brief reading of the text. I will wait for scholars I respect analyse over it and pass you guys more thoughts.
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Nov 17, 2021 14:30
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