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They're banning VISA credit cards, not debit cards. VISA dominate debit in the UK but are a much smaller player in credit cards (~20% of the market).
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It's pretty clearly a negotiating tactic anyway. Come January they will have worked something out.
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This made me LOL. https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1460959565793710082
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keep punching joe posted:Applying for a free card that tells the hospital to send the bill to the NHS seems a lot better than paying for insurance but eh. As far as I can tell the new GHIC is identical coverage to the EHIC. I saw an article claiming it doesn't work in Switzerland/Norway etc but the gov.uk website says it does. So shrug idk if this is really something people need to get upset about.
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fuctifino posted:loving lol. Said pic: God drat that photo is busy
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fuctifino posted:loving lol. Said pic:
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Better than Andrew Hand Syndrome, although that mostly affects children.
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Borrovan posted:The definition that you posit is not good, because it would include lots of antifascism (covert, public violence against nazis) but would not include Anders Breivik (overt). Breivik absolutely was covert; noone actually knew what he was going to do before he did it. More importantly, if some anti-fascist group actually was nail bombing wide groups of people who they thought might be inclined to Nazism, then that would be terrorism. Under suitable assumptions, that could be any of justified and good terrorism, an understandable tactical or strategic mistake, or just plain fuckwittery. None of which would stop it being terrorism.
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Guavanaut posted:Better than Andrew Hand Syndrome, although that mostly affects children. Actual proper lol at this
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https://twitter.com/SophieRunning/status/1460879921610379268Guavanaut posted:Better than Andrew Hand Syndrome, although that mostly affects children. 
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ThomasPaine posted:I thought the whole point was that the EHIC wasn't going to be valid any more (or not for much longer) EHIC entitles you to health care at the same level as a local, so that doesn't include air evac to the UK as that's not what a local would get. The replacement for the EHIC is called the GHIC (global) and it's probably worth grabbing just in case, although travel insurance is also needed.
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radmonger posted:Breivik absolutely was covert; noone actually knew what he was going to do before he did it. That seems like an extremely useless definition of terrorism you're using then.
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radmonger posted:Breivik absolutely was covert; noone actually knew what he was going to do before he did it. 'terrorism' has a negative connotation by consensus. So no, the majority of people would not recognise something as 'justified' or 'good' terrorism. Which means you shouldn't use it that way if you want a conversation to go anywhere.
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bessantj posted:Her TL is bonkers. I love how all the algorithmically suggested tweets beneath that are anti-vax / anti-lockdown "muh freedom" bullshit. Just extra confirmation in case you were still on the fence about Oakeshott being human garbage.
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bessantj posted:Her TL is bonkers. I remember this odious Tory on QT saying how she had the help breast feed her child.
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She was however responsible for the Cameron pig loving rumour so really it's impossible to say whether she's good or bad.
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Rumour? I distinctly remember seeing a video of this
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Good to see that the Children of Men speedrun is still on track. https://twitter.com/Okwonga/status/1460969926567596050
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fuctifino posted:loving lol. Said pic: "Y-your majesty... the number of Psykers we can sacrifice daily is dwindling. Your power is fading..."
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Regarde Aduck posted:'terrorism' has a negative connotation by consensus. So no, the majority of people would not recognise something as 'justified' or 'good' terrorism. Which means you shouldn't use it that way if you want a conversation to go anywhere. In fact, the definitions that scholars prefer are by definition bad (even if it's sometimes for a good cause or w/e), since terrorism has to be indiscriminate. So (to pick a couple of edge cases), targeted violence against, say, members of Combat 18 (a group of specific individuals) is not terrorism, whereas mass violence against gay people (a general population) is. My partner's particularly interested in loyalist violence in NI, which gets extremely muddy. Especially when the state wades in saying "nonono not us, but plz also include that turf struggle between criminal gangs kthx"
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Regarde Aduck posted:'terrorism' has a negative connotation by consensus. So no, the majority of people would not recognise something as 'justified' or 'good' terrorism. Which means you shouldn't use it that way if you want a conversation to go anywhere. 'Terrorism' is a purely strategic term and holds no moral weight in itself
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In my wildest fantasies, an extreme left government would be elected and use all this tory legislation against tories and other far right excuses for human beings. (But I know that is dangerous because what is the cut-off between 'left' and 'right'? As in some people think the Guardian and BBC are too left while we all know they are centre right.)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:In my wildest fantasies, an extreme left government would be elected and use all this tory legislation against tories and other far right excuses for human beings. I mean the distinction is pretty clear cut once you stop pretending liberals are remotely left wing.
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keep punching joe posted:Good to see that the Children of Men speedrun is still on track.
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I would unironically support a Labour government making Boris Johnson stateless.
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ThomasPaine posted:'Terrorism' is a purely strategic term and holds no moral weight in itself In a vaccum, stripped of all context, you're right. Materially speaking, the word "terrorism" has hugely negative connotations.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:In a vaccum, stripped of all context, you're right. Materially speaking, the word "terrorism" has hugely negative connotations. The YPG is a proscribed terrorist organisation, but the Free Syrian Army is not. Only one of those groups has substantiated allegations of war crimes against it, but hey it happens to be the one that's politically useful to the West so nbd. As actually used, it's pretty much a political designation.
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Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist, on account of his terrorism convictions that he had, but usually the only people who make a point of raising that are attempting to give it moral weight.
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keep punching joe posted:I would unironically support a Labour government making Boris Johnson stateless. Send him back to where he came from; Turkey.
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keep punching joe posted:Good to see that the Children of Men speedrun is still on track. "The chief mistake of the windrush scandal is that we did it in secret rather than just passing a law to do it."
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Guavanaut posted:Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist, on account of his terrorism convictions that he had, but usually the only people who make a point of raising that are attempting to give it moral weight. Which might be exactly your point, I'm tired and brokebrained atm, my bad if so
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keep punching joe posted:I would unironically support a Labour government making Boris Johnson stateless. Neither a solid nor a liquid state - just custard.
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radmonger posted:More importantly, if some anti-fascist group actually was nail bombing wide groups of people who they thought might be inclined to Nazism, then that would be terrorism. Under suitable assumptions, that could be any of justified and good terrorism, an understandable tactical or strategic mistake, or just plain fuckwittery. None of which would stop it being terrorism. This is why I would tend to side with Borrovan, as a poster with a legal background who is patiently trying to explain the best and clearest definitions that exist.
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Boris is giving evidence to a committee and looks and sounds like poo poo. He's not well. Hopefully he's caught a second dose of covid. e: forgot link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84jYLQ-yKc
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keep punching joe posted:He always looks like poo poo, it's his brand. No, this is something else. This is ill poo poo, not just Boris poo poo.
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fuctifino posted:Boris is giving evidence to a committee and looks and sounds like poo poo. He's not well. Hasta la vista, Alex Pepper! 
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ThomasPaine posted:'Terrorism' is a purely strategic term and holds no moral weight in itself True, in the same sense that neither does genocide or rape. Moral judgements like which side are the good guys are generally best placed downstream of understanding what is going on.
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