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TheBizzness posted:You all keep asking what icky likes about Jorp but it’s all right there in black and white, clear as crystal. that goon stole that line from some guy called william shakesman
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Actually the Shakespeare said "endless pontificating is the soul of wit, which is to say that the more loquacious you are the more sharply intelligent you will be perceived to be. Truly an unceasing deluge of half formed thoughts wrapped in the packaging of intellectualism is the height of cognitive function. It cannot be overstated how essential a robust recitation is to the self-image of a man boasting incredible mental acuity."
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Nov 17, 2021 19:39
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why are y'all so obsessed with Ihki? 
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Nov 17, 2021 19:40
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"Better say something quick before everybody thinks you're stupid." ~ Sun Tzu
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Nov 17, 2021 19:41
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Ihki do you agree with Jorp that women shouldn’t wear makeup in the workplace? Does he say that women shouldn’t work at all, or at least imply it in that wormy motte-and-bailey way of his?
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Nov 17, 2021 19:45
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Who What Now posted:Actually the Shakespeare said "endless pontificating is the soul of wit, which is to say that the more loquacious you are the more sharply intelligent you will be perceived to be. Truly an unceasing deluge of half formed thoughts wrapped in the packaging of intellectualism is the height of cognitive function. It cannot be overstated how essential a robust recitation is to the self-image of a man boasting incredible mental acuity." This quote is what icky and jorp think they sound like loving 
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Nov 17, 2021 19:47
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Jorp’s voice gives me the same strong sense of aversion I get from hearing people chew or loudly sip a beverage.
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Nov 17, 2021 19:56
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Ihki do you agree with Jorp that women shouldn’t wear makeup in the workplace? If this is really keeping so many of you you guys up at night, then for gently caress's sake, no. As interested as you are on my gender politics, I've already written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory, even if I think it is broadly a product of neoliberal subjectivity. Considering she was called a good writer, you can open up Butler's Gender Trouble to find out how true that is. I agree with most of it, and it is basically the Dragon of Chaos for Jorp. If you want to make me a Jorp defender on gender issues, that's really your problem.
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Nov 17, 2021 19:56
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Ihki posted:If this is really keeping so many of you you guys up at night, then for gently caress's sake, no. As interested as you are on my gender politics, I've already written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory, even if I think it is broadly a product of neoliberal subjectivity. Considering she was called a good writer, you can open up Butler's Gender Trouble to find out how true that is. I agree with most of it, and it is basically the Dragon of Chaos for Jorp. If you want to make me a Jorp defender on gender issues, that's really your problem. Why use many word when few word work?
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Nov 17, 2021 20:00
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Tarkus posted:I present to you, the MEAT MOUNTAIN! Be warned friends! Do not drink even a sip of apple cider, for it will be absolutely catastrophic! Overwhelming impending doom!
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Nov 17, 2021 20:00
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Jorpo answers the question "What would a philosophy look like if it was based on a misremembered Final Fantasy game by a guy who is afraid of women"
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Nov 17, 2021 20:01
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Dongsturm posted:Why use many word when few word work? Gotta give Ihki some credit there, that post is them at their most readable and clear.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:03
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Ihki posted:If this is really keeping so many of you you guys up at night, then for gently caress's sake, no. As interested as you are on my gender politics, I've already written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory, even if I think it is broadly a product of neoliberal subjectivity. Considering she was called a good writer, you can open up Butler's Gender Trouble to find out how true that is. I agree with most of it, and it is basically the Dragon of Chaos for Jorp. If you want to make me a Jorp defender on gender issues, that's really your problem. How come you won't reply to me directly? And why do you need us to read someone else's work to understand your stance on Jorp and women? Why can't you just say Yes or No?
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Nov 17, 2021 20:04
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Ihki posted:If this is really keeping so many of you you guys up at night, then for gently caress's sake, no. As interested as you are on my gender politics, I've already written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory, even if I think it is broadly a product of neoliberal subjectivity. Considering she was called a good writer, you can open up Butler's Gender Trouble to find out how true that is. I agree with most of it, and it is basically the Dragon of Chaos for Jorp. If you want to make me a Jorp defender on gender issues, that's really your problem.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:06
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Terrible Opinions posted:The problem is that gender issues are his foundational appeal. The only reason he's famous is for willfully misunderstanding anti-bigotry laws. Well, there you have it, one of the many, many reasons why I don't like Jordan Peterson. Ihki fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Nov 17, 2021 20:08
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ElGroucho posted:Jorpo answers the question "What would a philosophy look like if it was based on a misremembered Final Fantasy game by a guy who is afraid of women" Final Fantasy 8 no less, where you can draw conclusions so long as you junction a few philosophers with that ability. Or is it GFs? No, couldn't be that.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:09
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Ihki posted:Well, there you have it, one of many, many the reasons why I don't like Jordan Peterson.  You're such a piece of poo poo
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Nov 17, 2021 20:10
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do you guys think that jorp grunts or whines when he strains to evacuate his meat-impacted bowels? I think he starts off grunting but gives up after the first 20 minutes and reverts to making sad kermit sounds
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Nov 17, 2021 20:12
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I think it's just a soft, constant sob caught in his throat
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Nov 17, 2021 20:14
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Tighclops posted:do you guys think that jorp grunts or whines when he strains to evacuate his meat-impacted bowels? I think he starts off grunting but gives up after the first 20 minutes and reverts to making sad kermit sounds he probably mutters under his breath in his trademark cadence throughout the whole torturous 2-hour ordeal
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Nov 17, 2021 20:14
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We all know he scoops it out with a long spoon.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:15
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I'm going to remember "written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory" and "a product of neoliberal subjectivity" for the rest of my life, probably in a Kermit voice.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:16
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Ihki posted:Well, there you have it, one of the many, many reasons why I don't like Jordan Peterson. The Ludovico technique works! Huzzah!
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Nov 17, 2021 20:20
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Long-Time Lurker posted:I'm going to remember "written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory" and "a product of neoliberal subjectivity" for the rest of my life, probably in a Kermit voice. Just commit to an opinion my dude.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:39
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Long-Time Lurker posted:I'm going to remember "written more than a few sympathetic points on queer gender theory" and "a product of neoliberal subjectivity" for the rest of my life, probably in a Kermit voice. try as i might, i can't read ikhi's posts in jorp's voice. i'm pretty sure english is not ikhi's first language; their manner of writing suggests an academic background with little-to-no direct language exposure, with a strong undercurrent of "used to be the smartest person in their class; trying to catch that high again by arguing with strangers on the internet" if i had to bet, i'd bet on ikhi being a second-year undergrad or so (worst case: studying for masters) in a STEM-related field in a middling european university (probably north of Italy, or Belgium) with a budding interest in philosophy and an entirely-unearned seen-it-all brilliant-but-lazy anime protagonist self-image
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No one can successfully argue against my posts if I’m sufficiently verbose 
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Nov 17, 2021 21:03
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Ihki posted:Well, there you have it, one of the many, many reasons why I don't like Jordan Peterson. How do u explain this: https://youtu.be/6NDhl6zYFyI
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Nov 17, 2021 21:04
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eSporks posted:I love "I have in the past mildly agreed with thing, although thing is a product of other thing I despise" I tried that once for a political cause I believed in. Per ECHR, that made me a political prisoner of conscience, or thinking intersectionally, a POC. A POC who reads and mostly agrees with Judith Butler. Imagine failing a purity test on those grounds. Projecting your (I'm presuming) performative hatred of neoliberalism onto me isn't all so accurate, though. The main concern is that I find Butler's reading of history problematic.
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Nov 17, 2021 21:06
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Ihki posted:He might be a competent clinical psychologist as Zizek says. And I am both sympathetic of and critical of postmodernity, thinking Peterson touches on some real issues of the epoch in ways that are mostly flawed, but not entirely. For whatever things he's dishonest about, I don't doubt Peterson in how he's to thank for more people not killing themselves than he is for ruining people's lives. And if that's true, then I really do think it's better that someone has wound up getting a clean room and a job instead of the rope after being inspired by the mostly anodyne self-help of 12 rules. Usually, when something works, you're inclined top keep doing it. If they pick up conservative politics and conspiracies from it, then that's bad. If they don't, that's better. Politically and subjectively speaking, I think Jorp is dangerous, but the net impact is a lot more complicated than to inflate his worst positions and project them to be the whole person and his social impact. I made a previous comparison with Lowtax, who I couldn't really totalize to be a human monster, either. That's not a direct answer - which of his points do you agree with?
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Nov 17, 2021 21:08
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BIG BABY JESUS posted:That's not a direct answer - which of his points do you agree with? All of them 
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Nov 17, 2021 21:11
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Ihki posted:I tried that once for a political cause I believed in. Per ECHR, that made me a political prisoner of conscience, or thinking intersectionally, a POC. A POC who reads and mostly agrees with Judith Butler. Imagine failing a purity test on those grounds. Projecting your (I'm presuming) performative hatred of neoliberalism onto me isn't all so accurate, though. The main concern is that I find Butler's reading of history problematic. In the strongest possible terms: gently caress you.
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Nov 17, 2021 21:14
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nurmie posted:dril is a better philosopher than jorp and i'm not even joking  dril is a great taoist master
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Nov 17, 2021 21:14
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Ihki posted:All of them what "real issues of the epoch" do you think he touches on? Surely he says something interesting about those.
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Nov 17, 2021 21:14
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Ihki posted:I tried that once for a political cause I believed in. Per ECHR, that made me a political prisoner of conscience, or thinking intersectionally, a POC. A POC who reads and mostly agrees with Judith Butler. Imagine failing a purity test on those grounds. Projecting your (I'm presuming) performative hatred of neoliberalism onto me isn't all so accurate, though. The main concern is that I find Butler's reading of history problematic. Father? I once tried marmalade. It offended me. Grossly it did offend me! It made me a prisoner to the pithy substance, my tongue contorted, my heart shriveled. Imagine it father. Please. I am a being who can survive many flavours. Yet this marmalade, it did contort my visage to that of a mewling cat. Father, I think you're projecting when you strike me with that belt so, I think you strike at me as a way of expressing your own distaste with that orange rind filled substance. I cannot help my distaste of marmalade just as you cannot contain your own rage for it, and your projection of internal violence onto me, but please, contain yourself, or be struck down by my words, for they are many, ponderous, and well placed, surely father, surely! Our history is problematic. Can't you see?
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this guy is now obsessed with butler because I mentioned them offhand, onceBIG BABY JESUS posted:but the hate boner does come from a real creative place - jorp is the reaction to the creation and the hate boner is about his incomprehensible attack on that creation! there is already a viable alternative to the conservative fever dream of purposeless manhood and its to read butler and friends, get on board with the new world where men need to earn the right to speak rather than just being handed the mic, and loving create their own masculinity with their pals, either on the football field, camping, looking after your kids, or in the loving truckstop bathroom wearing a short skirt at the gloryhole - whatever. For all his mewling against people being soft in the world and needing to earn his respect, his reactionary perspective is that men have some Divine purpose in the world. "Men" is a concept that barely exists and jorp's perception of it was mostly invented as an ad campaign by cigarette companies in the 60s. lmao apparently now butler is jorp's opposition which is a funny reactionary little savior fantasy jorp fans are wild ed: that's literally the first mention of butler in this thread BIG BABY JESUS fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Nov 17, 2021 21:19
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Ihki posted:I tried that once for a political cause I believed in. Per ECHR, that made me a political prisoner of conscience, or thinking intersectionally, a POC. A POC who reads and mostly agrees with Judith Butler. Imagine failing a purity test on those grounds. Projecting your (I'm presuming) performative hatred of neoliberalism onto me isn't all so accurate, though. The main concern is that I find Butler's reading of history problematic. You can't poo poo either, you're trying to in this thread but you can't! The poo poo stays within you! Plorp.
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BIG BABY JESUS posted:lmao apparently now butler is jorp's opposition which is a funny reactionary little savior fantasy And I talked about them multiple times afterwards since I have opinions on their philosophy. I might've brought her (e: them, it's been hard to get used to but IIRC they don't really mind if I've missed a few) up anyway, having written some essays before on the whole transcendentalism/history/postmodernity/Butler/Zizek/Hegel space I mentioned. That's been central to my critique of some postmodern happenings. Wouldn't call it celebrated, but well received, anyway. If it's clear that my respect for them is a reactionary fantasy used to cover up my secret sympathies for Peterson's trans bigotry, then I simply can't fathom how that even works. I also called some ideas of gender identity in 21st century LGBT ideology rigid and conservative, that would be a better angle to call me a Nazi sympathizer or whatever. Because yeah, maybe I am a reactionary, but that can at least be a radical position. This thread is worse yet, simply conservative. Ihki fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Nov 17, 2021 21:48
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Ihki posted:And I talked about them multiple times afterwards since I have opinions on their philosophy. I might've brought her up anyway, having written some essays before on the whole transcendentalism/history/postmodernity/Butler/Zizek/Hegel space I mentioned. That's been central to my critique of some postmodern happenings. Wouldn't call it celebrated, but well received, anyway. okokokokok but when you say he touches on "real issues of the epoch" what issues do you think he's touching on? just say the quiet part loud my dude! what's good about jorp?
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Ihki posted:And I talked about them multiple times afterwards since I have opinions on their philosophy. I might've brought her up anyway, having written some essays before on the whole transcendentalism/history/postmodernity/Butler/Zizek/Hegel space I mentioned. That's been central to my critique of some postmodern happenings. Wouldn't call it celebrated, but well received, anyway.
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