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Jaxyon posted:I haven't followed the cowboy bebop stuff closely beyond they seem to be doing shot-for-shot of the series and that was never going to please fans because it's too close to the original format that people think is perfect. We'll see. Nihilarian posted:Walking on eggshells desperately trying not alter the vision of the vision of the original author is the quickest way to make an absolute dogshit adaptation. Things that work for some media absolutely do not work for other media, and when you alter those things to fit the media its being adapted to, you will inevitably inject parts of yourself into the script. This is not a bad thing to be avoided, this is how you make something good.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's inevitable, but you'd think that at least some of them would realize WoT predates GoT and was an influence on it. WOT may have had influence on GOT as books, but GOT can still influence how WOT is made into a TV show.
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I get that and agree. I just think that anime fans in particular are hard to please and I think the original CB series doesn't really stand up to the incredibly high pedestal that it's fans put it on, despite being a pretty well put together cartoon. Again, my partner who has never seen the original will be a good measure for someone going into it cold.
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Jedit posted:WOT may have had influence on GOT as books, but GOT can still influence how WOT is made into a TV show. Oh sure, but at minimum it's more complicated than "lol this is just GoT" or "lol this is just LotR" https://twitter.com/damon_p_heard/status/1460780141882314758?s=20
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I've avoided anime since high school specifically because of the fans. So, you know.
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Does her magic come from her ring?
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Technically she does get powered up with a bracelet angreal after she gets depowered later in the series.
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Jaxyon posted:I haven't followed the cowboy bebop stuff closely beyond they seem to be doing shot-for-shot of the series and that was never going to please fans because it's too close to the original format that people think is perfect. We'll see. One description I saw of the typical Cowboy Bebop review is "It wasn't everything I dreamed of but I enjoyed myself so it was bad actually." Which is always an issue in adapting or remaking something beloved, but standards are usually lower going from page to screen than from one screen adaptation to another.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh sure, but at minimum it's more complicated than "lol this is just GoT" or "lol this is just LotR" First book is super influenced by LotR. There's a lot of easy parallels. It's more complicated but I get it. Having rings be important(AS rings, ter'angreal rings, etc) probably is somewhat influenced by Tolkien. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Completely separate book discussion: RJ mentions breasts unnecessarily a lot in these books. Also has women be naked for no real reason a lot. I'm on book 4 of my reread and it's noticeable as an adult.
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Well yeah RJ is a pervy little bastard despite his (good) effort at making a feminist series
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Skyl3lazer posted:Well yeah RJ is a pervy little bastard despite his (good) effort at making a feminist series There are literally no women at all in the entire series that RJ ever describes as less than "handsome" everyone, everyone, is hot
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it's not saying much but the dude was also somehow less of a creep/perv than like the grand majority of dudes writing fantasy, so i have to give him credit for that on some level however it came aboutHieronymous Alloy posted:There are literally no women at all in the entire series that RJ ever describes as less than "handsome" yeah honestly i'm pretty fine with it just being the standard for literally every character unless exceedingly established otherwise, it becomes benign background noise mostly
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Johnny Joestar posted:it's not saying much but the dude was also somehow less of a creep/perv than like the grand majority of dudes writing fantasy, so i have to give him credit for that on some level however it came about I mean, he was pretty obviously a perv, he was just generally less of a creep
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look i stand by what i've said, there's worse out there and i had the misfortune to stumble into it when i was a kid
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the big jacket quote on Eye of the World when it first came out wasquote:"“This has magic and pacing and detail and human involvement, with a certain subtlety of a presentation and a grand central vision. Robert Jordan… is a lot of writer!” – Piers Anthony 1990 was a hell of a time
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are literally no women at all in the entire series that RJ ever describes as less than "handsome" Hessalam. 
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piers anthony, still one of the gold standards of 'wait, he put WHAT into his books?'
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jng2058 posted:Hessalam. Technically Sanderson
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Technically Sanderson Evidence: Hessalam isn't hot.
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Johnny Joestar posted:piers anthony, still one of the gold standards of 'wait, he put WHAT into his books?' i had a friend tell me about him in sixth grade and i noped out and went back to jack london
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:the big jacket quote on Eye of the World when it first came out was I mean Piers Anthony calling your writing subtle is certainly damning with faint praise.
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How are u posted:I mean, when the story behind the show's greenlighting was Jeff Bezos (the coward) saying "make me the next Game of Thrones" I figure the comparison is inevitable. I see this talking point often but I'm not convinced it's not clickbait. I mean, how would anybody be privy to strategic planning for amazon studios or bezos personal thoughts.
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Jedit posted:WOT may have had influence on GOT as books, but GOT can still influence how WOT is made into a TV show. Shortly after the first LotR film came out, I remember riding the bus and overhearing a bunch of kids arguing about them. And one kid said Gandalf was just a knock-off Dumbledore...
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this got posted in the other thread and is really cool, closeups on assembling the trolloc costumes and the carbon fiber/titanium stilts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDqIVFklx14
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SerSpook posted:reading the spoilers no narg, the show is already ruined cancelling the show rn
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eke out posted:this got posted in the other thread and is really cool, closeups on assembling the trolloc costumes and the carbon fiber/titanium stilts That's the video they showed at the end after the two episodes Monday night! Cool stuff.
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(tv magic) Not splitting the one power in to saidin/saidar is actually probably the cleanest way to remove a key part of the gender essentialism without really changing the story beats. Thinking about it more, I really like it as the solution to trans issues in the show world. Sure it feels like a big change, but when you drill in to it I think changing the dichotomy to "how men and women USE the power is different" vs the power itself being different solved a lot of issues, and is an easy distinction to add in other places.
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Currently sitting at 74% on Rottentomatoes. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_wheel_of_time/s01 The mantra I've been repeating for the last few weeks of "please don't suck, please don't suck" may be working. Criticism seems to linger on the generic fantasy opening and some weak characterization, which should go away with further seasons. Also a clip of Nynaeve and Moraine just released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUPY1ucmAMw I like them. William Bear fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Yeah the negative reviews are all either "fantasy sucks what's a trolloc lol" or things that are legit critiques of the first book but which go away in later books (too much like Tolkien, etc.)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah the negative reviews are all either "fantasy sucks what's a trolloc lol" or things that are legit critiques of the first book but which go away in later books (too much like Tolkien, etc.) tbf trolloc is one the worst names he used
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The series doesnt even get good until book 3,4 ish
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Hexel posted:The series doesnt even get good until book 3,4 ish The first three books are good. They're well done standard fantasy books. It's Rand among the crystal pillars in TSR where the series first touches on greatness.
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jng2058 posted:The first three books are good. They're well done standard fantasy books. It's Rand among the crystal pillars in TSR where the series first touches on greatness. Perrin’s TSR storyline in the two rivers is better 
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Book 2 is pretty loving solid. “I win again, Lews Therin!” Is the kind of thing that would be another series’s high point.
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The best part in the series remains Rodel's guerilla war against the Seanchan, a storyline that for sure will be cut from the show.
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Thordain posted:The best part in the series remains Rodel's guerilla war against the Seanchan, a storyline that for sure will be cut from the show. ok, now this opinion is epic
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Book 2 is pretty loving solid. The vision/alternate world things are something RJ does well. The Tar Valon ter'angreal for the accepted are usually strong, just like the Rhuidean ones are. And the snakes/foxes. I don't know about another series high point, but it's something I think he's good at.
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How do the Two Rivers Wisdoms not know they can channel? Even if they only have one girl with the spark every few generations, and only 1 in 4 of those survive they'd still have several women wandering around who look 40 but have been chilling for centuries. During the book's timeline there's 3 or 4 girls just from this generation that have the spark so if that's the normal rate they'd be producing someone capable of living centuries every 20-50 years or so, there would be dozens of them wandering around.
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jng2058 posted:It's Rand among the crystal pillars in TSR where the series first touches on greatness  I think you're right
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