Good Soldier Svejk posted:

I'm familiar with the orb effect from zooming on light sources but what the hell is this
https://twitter.com/UfoAmateur/status/1460796267420794883?s=20

Barry Foster posted:

Yeah I hadn't heard of him before and didn't know about all the satanic panic stuff until after I posted (perhaps because I'm not American? Is he well-known/notorious there?), so I do apologise for that. Really puts his familiarity with hypnotic regression in a new light too

I figured it was written in, like, the 70s or something and so I absolutely ignored anything he had to say about science, because it was gonna be old and out of date and some of it I knew has been long since abandoned.

Overall though I posted it because it felt like a quite short and readable example of the Valleean (Valleelian?) approach re: UFOs

E: also it's the first and only time I've ever seen derrida (obliquely) and birds in the same room together

quote:

“Allow me for a brief moment to explain my position and why I’ve decided to do, particularly, this interview: I’m doing it because I have two daughters. I’m doing it because I’m a father, because I’m a citizen, I’m a patriot, I’m a husband and I’m trying to continue the mission that I was given so many years ago with the Department of Defense. As crazy as this may sound, I was never relieved of my obligations.

The work that I do, much of it is behind the scenes, and I’m not sure people appreciate the work that folks like Chris Mellon and myself are doing, and my colleagues behind the scenes, because it’s a bit like a submarine that’s under the ocean - you don’t see it until you see it. My colleagues and I have committed our lives to this, and our livelihood to this. This isn’t a game. This isn’t a hobby. This isn’t an interest, you know. This is real.

This has been a very difficult journey for me. It’s a journey that I wouldn’t recommend any if my friends to take. Certainly nobody that I care about or love to take. It’s been very difficult. But I’ll tell you, it’s also been worse for other people and I’m certainly not going to complain because I got out relatively unscathed. Yeah, people are attacking my credibility and what not, but at the end of the day, you know, I’m still here and that’s not necessarily true for some other people.

This topic has been fraught with controversy and I think, some people have really had to pay a significant price. Hopefully some of those heroes will be able to step out of the shadows here soon and we can stand shoulder to shoulder and have a more comprehensive conversation with the American people.

I was one of those “Men in Black”, I guess, but I realize it’s probably better now to be, as one of my colleagues says, you know, “I’d rather be known as the men in white”, bringing truth to the topic. You know, I still hold myself accountable. I still feel, you want to know how Lue Elizondo feels, I still feel incredibly guilty. I feel incredibly guilty that I didn’t have this conversation sooner.

Imagine, for one moment, if it turns out that the U.S. government really was, and has been, continuing to be involved in this topic. And has kept that secret, not only from the American people, which is bad enough, but even kept it from itself. People who are paid to be in the know, people that run special access programs, people that are charged with the oversight of these things.

And you have a major defense contractor who had an unfair advantage because they were asked to look at exotic material, potentially. I’m not going to go into origins here, but just say hypothetically, we’re able to look at some interesting material, while other defense industry partners weren’t given that same access, right? And now this defense partner comes up with all sorts of innovations, and you know, is a multi-billion dollar company. Meanwhile these other companies have gone bankrupt, right? And people lost their jobs and livelihoods, all because, one company was give access or [was made] privy to information, while another one wasn’t.

The U.S. government in the past has been involved in some pretty terrible things against the American people, that were not in the interests of the American people. And the American government had to be held accountable for that. So now comes the hard part. Now that we have a acknowledgment, I think we are now at the point as a nation between our elected officials in Congress, between our senior officials in the executive branch, former presidents, former directors of the CIA, former directors of national intelligence, I think the national conversation has begun, and I think we have now officially acknowledged the reality of this.

What we haven’t done yet is have a complete and truthful conversation [with] the American people about how long we’ve known about it. We now know our government has acknowledged the reality of this, that this phenomenon exists. Whatever “it” is, it is real. We have now the official establishment of a UAP task force, we have the release of three videos being acknowledged by the government as being official, authentic videos, and furthermore that they depict some sort of UAP, unidentified aerial phenomena. You have classified briefings being provided to Congress. You have Presidents now being brought into the loop of this. You have Senators like Marco Rubio, on both sides, and of course my very, very dear friend Senator Harry Reid, coming out and joining hands and saying: this is a topic we need to discuss.

The fact that there are things that are operating in our controlled U.S. airspace, that we have no idea what they are, we have no idea how they work, we have no idea the origins, or the intent, or the full capabilities, or anything else.

I think at some point we will be faced with the eminent reality that either we are alone or we’re not alone. And I think it’s looking more and more likely that we’re probably not alone”

Tekne posted:

And you have a major defense contractor who had an unfair advantage because they were asked to look at exotic material, potentially. I’m not going to go into origins here, but just say hypothetically, we’re able to look at some interesting material, while other defense industry partners weren’t given that same access, right?

my bony fealty posted:

F35 was reverse engineered from recovered tech

turns out et is shittier at engineering than we are and thats why their dumb spaceships crash all the time

poisonpill posted:

UFOs crash all the time because they require really expensive maintenance routines that are intentionally complex to inflate contractor fees

Jazerus posted:

the roswell crash happened because the aliens were mining bitcoins with their engine reactor

endocriminologist posted:

wait tungsten cubes are valuable? ive been using them to wipe my rear end

Marzzle posted:

everyone assumes the aliens are perfect interstellar communists but they're actually gonna turn out to be even more egregiously capitalist than humans and merely bootstrapped themselves into space travel by evolving on a world half the size of earth with a puny gravity well. they'll also be mega eugenicists that believe only one clone line of cosmic hitler has a right to exist

Justin Tyme posted:

I don't believe any of the alien materials stuff because there haven't been any unexplained technological leaps out of nowhere in recent history. Anything people point to as evidence of alien reverse engineering like transistors or fiber optics or radar-absorbant coating etc have a very clear and obvious development history.

Justin Tyme posted:

I don't believe any of the alien materials stuff because there haven't been any unexplained technological leaps out of nowhere in recent history. Anything people point to as evidence of alien reverse engineering like transistors or fiber optics or radar-absorbant coating etc have a very clear and obvious development history.

And if it were true, it would be ironic considering they're all logical developments anyone working in the industry at the time of their introduction could easily see coming. If there was some truly wacky poo poo like an ultraheavy element in the island of stability noone even looked at before being a room temperature superconductor and it is incredibly easy to synthesize thanks to the Urglop stone being translated, then I'd be more inclined to believe it.

Tighclops posted:

Like Omumamumo or whatever that passed by was obviously weird as gently caress but is that Avi Loeb guy for real or is he just trying to sell his book and get consistent funding for himself, or is it both I don't know

Tighclops posted:

Like Omumamumo or whatever that passed by was obviously weird as gently caress but is that Avi Loeb guy for real or is he just trying to sell his book and get consistent funding for himself, or is it both I don't know

Tighclops posted:

I just want to know what the gently caress's going on because clearly something is loving around out there but everyone involved seems like they are either a grifter or have an angle and I don't trust any true believe CIA spook bastards to tell me the truth out of the goodness of their own hearts

I'm just venting but fuuUUUUUuuuck

Like Omumamumo or whatever that passed by was obviously weird as gently caress but is that Avi Loeb guy for real or is he just trying to sell his book and get consistent funding for himself, or is it both I don't know

Justin Tyme posted:

I don't believe any of the alien materials stuff because there haven't been any unexplained technological leaps out of nowhere in recent history. Anything people point to as evidence of alien reverse engineering like transistors or fiber optics or radar-absorbant coating etc have a very clear and obvious development history.

And if it were true, it would be ironic considering they're all logical developments anyone working in the industry at the time of their introduction could easily see coming. If there was some truly wacky poo poo like an ultraheavy element in the island of stability noone even looked at before being a room temperature superconductor and it is incredibly easy to synthesize thanks to the Urglop stone being translated, then I'd be more inclined to believe it.

The Demilich posted:

Anyone have any good videos on Omumamumo? I don't want to watch just any channel on whatever this is.

Tekne posted:

lue had this to say in observers

quote:

I’m trying to continue the mission that I was given so many years ago with the Department of Defense. As crazy as this may sound, I was never relieved of my obligations.

poisonpill posted:

UFOs crash all the time because they require really expensive maintenance routines that are intentionally complex to inflate contractor fees

quote:

One thing first before the explanation: it certainly sounds ridiculous to you that such highly developed extraterrestrial ships simply crash, and that a relatively large number did so in a relatively short amount of time. The explanation for that is likewise more than strange, but it is correct. It does not lie in the ship's drive itself, but rather in the direction of the field to your planet.

This species that we are discussing - and it was always in this time period that this species used a disk-shaped craft - used a propulsion system which ran according to the normal principle of fusion, to be sure, but one that at that time employed a more than unconventional method for field alignment. This method had various advantages but also disadvantages.

The repelling field must of course lie in the absolute correct angle to the surface of the Earth.

This species used an alignment technology in their ships, with which the field locked into place all points of the Earth's magnetic field. Now at that time this species had just arrived on the earth and their point of origin lay on a planet with a more stable magnetic field, for which they had developed and aligned their drive. The magnetic field of the Earth is not really all that stable; it is subject to cyclical variations and it forms field eddies under unfavorable conditions.

Whenever a ship with one of those kinds of drives gets into a field fluctuation or into an eddy that is too strong, then for a short time the repelling field can no longer align itself correctly and the ship glides uncontrolled on its flight path. The drive is operating correctly, to be sure, but the field fluctuates in all directions and because of that, the ship can crash.

valp posted:

If you're wondering why super advanced aliens would decide that modifying a bunch of hairless apes was a worthwhile use of their time I can explain that too.

Wheeee posted:

Rah! posted:

there's the weird metal alloys that tom delonge gave to the US army

apparently it looked a lot like random space junk or meteorite bits, but also the US army was interested enough to take them, so if they are real bird materials, u will never hear about it until uncle sam is driving quantum tanks out of ur butte

Jazerus posted:

the delonge alloys are just some bullshit metal pieces that art bell was sent in the 90s by a guy with a hugely inconsistent story about how he got them from a buddy during the gulf war or some poo poo. one of the parts (that presumably never made it into delonge's hands) turned out to be like a piece of a car radiator or smth lol