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Onean posted:Ahhh. I thought you were coming at it from the other side. Coils ruled. They structure the raids in a nice way. You go into a hole and you come out of it a better person with greater knowledge of the world and everything. Coils also helped bridge 1.0 with ARR in an accessible way, etc. You also come out as a better father/mother to your twins. I also really enjoyed the Ivalice adventure hole and the Nier adventure hole. I think I just like self-contained adventures a lot.
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The shards that have been rejoined are kind of amusing to me in the calamities they're paired with. The First (Wind) rejoined the Fifth The Second (Lightning) rejoined the Twelfth The Third (Fire) rejoined the Second The Fourth (Earth) rejoined the Third The Fifth (Ice) rejoined the Sixth The Sixth (Water) rejoined the Tenth The Seventh (Astral) rejoined the Seventh The Eighth (Umbral) rejoined the First For the most part those elements have pretty decent links with the corresponding games' worlds and/or protagonists (Butz/Bartz - wind, Ashe - lightning, Firion - fire, Celes - ice, Tidus - water, Cloud - dark, Warrior of Light (I) - light; the Onion Kids are kind of element-agnostic and Luneth is usually wind, but the story around the Fourth Calamity is also heavily the same deal as FFIII anyway)
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Nov 17, 2021 21:36
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G'raha Tia has a line in the 5.0 epilogue where says that he expected that he'd get erased Back to the Future style when the Eighth Umbral Calamity was averted. I don't think the writers would include that line unless they wanted to hint that the alt timeline we prevented is still out there. So a journey there could be the subject of an expansion.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:29
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SirPhoebos posted:G'raha Tia has a line in the 5.0 epilogue where says that he expected that he'd get erased Back to the Future style when the Eighth Umbral Calamity was averted. I don't think the writers would include that line unless they wanted to hint that the alt timeline we prevented is still out there. So a journey there could be the subject of an expansion. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_08/#sidestory_08
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Nov 17, 2021 22:34
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Ehh I don't think going to the Bad Future to help out is really where they'd go, doing lots of time travel gets really fucky really quickly from a writing perspective and the whole point of the Bad Future is that they gave up everything to have a chance at saving people they'd never see, and never know if they succeeded in doing so. The short story Superstring linked ends with them starting to rebuild, and I think they'll leave it on a hopeful note like that.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:53
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Nessus posted:I mean, are the people on the First not... people? I will say I have met people that dismiss 90% of Shadowbringers based on literally this logic. I don't know if Shadowbringers brought the people that were the worst at understanding FFXIV's story, but they definitely get way easier to find when talking about it.
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Nov 17, 2021 23:24
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Chillgamesh posted:Ehh I don't think going to the Bad Future to help out is really where they'd go, doing lots of time travel gets really fucky really quickly from a writing perspective and the whole point of the Bad Future is that they gave up everything to have a chance at saving people they'd never see, and never know if they succeeded in doing so. The short story Superstring linked ends with them starting to rebuild, and I think they'll leave it on a hopeful note like that.
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Nov 17, 2021 23:45
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Ken Finalfantasy who lives in Limsa doesn’t know we saved the First, but Ben Finalfantasy who lives in Eulmore sure as hell does.
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hopeandjoy posted:Ken Finalfantasy who lives in Limsa doesn’t know we saved the First, but Ben Finalfantasy who lives in Eulmore sure as hell does. 
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Nov 18, 2021 00:30
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jokes posted:You also come out as a better father/mother to your twins. I knew I was old when during the Liveletter people were calling Shtola "mommy' and Alisae a waifu. Also YoshiP why are you reading chat NEVER READ CHAT.
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Nov 18, 2021 00:35
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I mean the game itself points out Y'shtola is a mother figure? They make jokes about it.
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Nov 18, 2021 01:22
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Someone can be a parental figure and also a waifu. See: Thancred.
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Nov 18, 2021 01:24
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Yeah, calling the sexy cat "mommy" in no way means they don't want to bang her.
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Nov 18, 2021 01:31
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Nessus posted:Yeah, calling the sexy cat "mommy" in no way means they don't want to bang her. i dont think anyone old enough to play ffxiv says mommy/daddy for any non-sexual purpose
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Nov 18, 2021 01:38
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Folks should not be calling Alisae a waifu considering that she's a child but Yshtola is indeed Mommy
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Nov 18, 2021 01:39
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Y'shtola is Granny.
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Macaluso posted:Folks should not be calling Alisae a waifu considering that she's a child but Yshtola is indeed Mommy lots of people who play ffxiv are Teens, though teens suck and we shouldn't let them enjoy things anyway so i'm in favor of destroying them regardless.
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Nov 18, 2021 01:42
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Hogama posted:Y'shtola is Granny.
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Nov 18, 2021 01:44
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Every character in FF14 is a granny because they all have grey hair. There’s one Scion who doesn’t have silver hair and he wore a hood for most of SHB. Tataru is “lilac-haired” but she also wears a hat.
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Nov 18, 2021 01:50
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jokes posted:Every character in FF14 is a granny because they all have grey hair. Ryne and Lyse?
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Nov 18, 2021 01:57
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Lyse isn't a scion anymore, and Ryne never was.
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Nov 18, 2021 02:04
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Ryne is our new daughter making her an honorary Scion and her girlfriend is as well
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Nov 18, 2021 02:16
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It's kind of funny how the far-and-away oldest Scion is the only one that doesn't have white hair (please don't get into a tedious argument about how his Source body isn't actually very old)
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Nov 18, 2021 02:22
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I think white hair is just the style in Sharlayan. None of them are that old.
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Nov 18, 2021 02:24
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Chillgamesh posted:It's kind of funny how the far-and-away oldest Scion is the only one that doesn't have white hair (please don't get into a tedious argument about how his Source body isn't actually very old)
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Nov 18, 2021 02:25
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G'raha was alive a long time in the alternate timeline too, and his full body/soul was alive and fully connected for that century on the first. Physically he's 20 whatever now, but spiritually he's old as balls.
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Nov 18, 2021 02:26
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Nov 18, 2021 02:46
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FuturePastNow posted:F'lhaminn seemed so lonely in her level 80 quest
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Nov 18, 2021 02:55
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https://twitter.com/shxnku/status/1404729643064860673?s=21 The perfectly timed caw is what makes this the best clip ever.
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Nov 18, 2021 03:10
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FuturePastNow posted:F'lhaminn seemed so lonely in her level 80 quest She is. She's gone through a life where everyone has basically left her. Not all goodbyes or farewells are sad but just once she'd probably be happier to not be the one left behind all the time.
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Nov 18, 2021 10:12
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I heard some 'not nice' guesses as to what YoshiP meant by "He'd go THAT far..." in his recent interview regarding the surprise event waiting for us in EW.  I find I'm in agreement with gossip that we should expect more than a scion death or two. After all, I think most people expect that anyway.
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An actual Scion death feels like a free space on the bingo card. The wildest thing I've seen someone speculate is the WoL dying and returning at some point down the road, free Fantasia optional.
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I can't believe they made Zenos a Scion moments before the truly final fight where he heroically sacrifices himself to save the universe. YoshiP has truly gone too far.
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Nov 20, 2021 18:58
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Gearhead posted:An actual Scion death feels like a free space on the bingo card. There's zero chance this happens, but also, I'd really love for this to happen. Actually legitimately kill us and make us play a new character. I love my WoL, but god if this wouldn't be the ballsiest possible storytelling move.
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Nov 20, 2021 19:35
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If they kill you they'll resurrect you with magic bullshit within the same quest. Maybe with a RP section where you try to keep the Scions alive in the meantime.
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Yeah, we create a new character, a plain, ordinary adventurer, and somehow we rejoin with our previous WoL. Same being, but different representation and story setting. I guess like the Ardbert rejoining, but reversed roles. Zenos being a fragment of Hythlodaeus is something else I keep seeing. It's the reason why he's obsessed with us and keep calling us his "friend".
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Nov 20, 2021 19:50
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We show up looking the same but with no memory ten years later, people recognize us but we've got nothing. The difficult part will be brain surgery on all the players so they can have the same experience, without noticing that one of the "old faces" is new. On a related note, I really enjoyed the ShB role quest flashbacks giving people a chance to say "...wait, who's this woman in the background?" She got a bit more camera focus on the last one I did (healer), I don't know if that was coincidence or they tweak the cutscenes based on order.
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central dogma posted:Zenos being a fragment of Hythlodaeus is something else I keep seeing. It's the reason why he's obsessed with us and keep calling us his "friend". I could see Zenos being Hylothodeus, he shares his grandfather's special vision, which is required for the Seat of Emet-Selch. A dark side to the dangers of trying to awaken someone to ancient memories. This could even be why he is so drat messed up: Maybe Emet-Selch tried to use a memory crystal to awaken Hylothodeus and got a maniac instead of his old friend. EDIT: I could almost see a story in which they walk back Zenos a little, maybe not to being an actual hero, but to him deciding that burning the world just to provoke a fight with the Warrior of Light isn't worth it. Have him go out, if not redeemed, then at least doing something besides being a giant boss monster that dies laughing. They have also never explained why Garleans are the only thing on the planet unable to use magic. Even DRAGONS can use magic and they're literal space aliens. Gearhead fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Zenos' apocalyptic nightmare that is obviously an Ancient memory is almost certainly going to be used for some sort of twist like that
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Bruceski posted:We show up looking the same but with no memory ten years later, people recognize us but we've got nothing. Obviously a very differently structured MMO, but didn't PSO2 have your character in a stasis pod for years between two of its episodes?
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