mila kunis posted:

is there like a shred of evidence she's been kidnapped or disappeared or is being forced into staging photos in her home

i realize proof isn't the point, the point is just to keep going "china bad!" until any discussion of the country is just swamped by this garbage

Despera posted:

the story of a persons sudden disappearance after disclosing rape by a powerful person....

is really about tennis

Antonymous posted:

I called those types the 'losers back home'. There's a lot of loser-types who move to asia where their white privilege is not only intact but enhanced as they get a decently paid job with low hours and heaps of praise if they can say "我要一個漢堡“ during their daily trip to mcdonald's. The psychology of their loser existence conflicts with the praise and privilege and leads to the "Am I a loser? no, it is the chinese who are wrong" colonialist mindset. And there's also genuine right wing "white man's burden" types who post praise of trump on facebook while living in China. I dislike all of those folk and those like Laowhy. It's easy to see that their life is better in Asia (would Laowhy ever have a successful youtube if he stayed in whatever bumfuck place he's from?) and it makes them bitter.

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I this perception is exactly the problem and that there's nothing wrong with interracial relationships even if I personally don't like the people in them. It's also my perception from being in China and Taiwan that the women in these relationships are not especially victims of some kind of exploitation, not anymore than any other typical human relationship and definitely not in the way people who are trafficked in SEA are. That's why the perception seems very ignorant and racially motivated, much like how white women were/are said to be 'victims' of 'predators' if they date outside their race. I can write a lot more if the thread would like to derail further, let me know.

Judakel posted:

"Believe all women" might be wrong but kidnapping the women is always wrong

yeah despera is really concerned for women.

mila kunis posted:

Kefahuchi_son!!! posted:

I agree that human relationships are complicated and not easily reduced to a single term, but surely you can see the difference between what people are mocking here and people simply having a relationship with someone in a different country?

Truga posted:

Throatwarbler posted:

Peng Shuai posted a fairly lengthy, rambling weibo post.

It's a little hard to follow, as it isn't a chronological description of events and isn't intended to be, but basically:

She and Zhang had an affair that started 10 years ago, before he rose to the Politburo. He would have been the party secretary for Tianjin at this point, (still a pretty powerful position) and I guess in his late 60s, while Peng would have been in her mid 20s. 7 years ago (so 3 or 4 years later), Zhang left for Beijing to assume to Politburo position and never contacted her again. 3 years ago, he contacted her again, took her home, and (in her words) "forced her to have sex with him." She doesn't suggest that their previous affair wasn't consensual or use that description again. After this, she had dinner with Zhang and his wife. It's intimated that Zhang's wife was generally aware of the affair.

It's debatable whether "forced her to have sex" in this context meant he literally forced himself on her, or that she was cajoled or manipulated, but the remainder of the post is basically her complaining that:

- Despite having real feelings for him (at least, at the time of the earlier affair), she regrets having the affair with him because she couldn't stand being a mistress, and also his wife (who was aware of the affair) was kind of mean to her.

- She specifically compares his wife to the queen in a popular palace intrigue TV show set in the Qing dynasty, and herself to one of the downtrodden concubines who is presumably bullied by the queen (I haven't seen the show myself).

- She was tired of lying to her parents about it.

- She never received any money or favors from him (a lot of the western media uses the word "corruption" in their reporting, but Peng is pretty unequivocal in her post that Zhang did not offer her any other "benefits" for her time).

- He promised her "an explanation" on Nov 2 (when this post was made) and then fobbed her off again, hence this post. I'm not sure what her expectation was here - that he would divorce his wife and marry her? She doesn't say that but the rest of the post kind of implies something akin to that.

It's possible that there was at least one sexual encounter between them that was less than consensual, but if it was, Peng isn't (in her post) seeking any redress for it, but rather the whole post reads like an emo post by a jilted teenage girlfriend.

The consensus amongst my circle is that it almost certainly is true, because who would make something like that up? Zhang doesn't even come off particularly badly in the story - Peng does not accuse him of corruption or abuse of power (which would be pretty serious allegations), his wife didn't even seem to object to the affair, he's just what you kids would call a "fuccboi". I highly doubt Peng herself is in any real trouble, since again, her allegations are pretty mild, her weibo account is still live and her other posts are still up, I would guess that she's probably just lying low and off social media for a bit after sobering up.

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mila kunis posted:

yeah its weird as hell to conflate and pretend criticisms of sexpats is the same as condemning interracial/intercultural relationships

Despera posted:

no just the ones involving peng shuai

crepeface posted:

https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1461595392336961536?s=20

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/...genumber%3D1374

Atopian posted:

In my (obviously anecdotal) experience, sexpat percentage is ~10-30% of the China expat population, varying significantly based on employment sector and your exact definition. Yes, training centres are higher, but so are short-contract multinational company workers.

ughhhh posted:

Does anyone have that post with articles about how east Asia was advertised as sex r&r spot for our troops during the occupation of Japan and Vietnam war.

ughhhh posted:

Does anyone have that post with articles about how east Asia was advertised as sex r&r spot for our troops during the occupation of Japan and Vietnam war.

Despera posted:

the story of a persons sudden disappearance after disclosing rape by a powerful person....

is really about tennis

BrainDance posted:

I'd agree with that, 10% seems about right.

Trabisnikof posted:

ughhhh posted:

Does anyone have that post with articles about how east Asia was advertised as sex r&r spot for our troops during the occupation of Japan and Vietnam war.

Jetto Jagga posted:

You can also just watch any media from the time like the rapist British thug James Bond in You Only Live Twice, written by beloved antisemite children's author Roald Dahl, pop culture east Asia exists as a wonderland of instant sexual gratification for white men

mila kunis posted:

no it doesn't. there's obviously no real way to quantify this but its a massive downplaying of lovely racist attitudes that i've experienced from white expat communities abroad

AnimeIsTrash posted:

In the Vietnam war US Army platoons turned some of their bases into brothels are forced women often underaged to work there.