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Eric the Mauve posted:Everyone is an impostor so don't worry about that. I completely forgot there was a negotiation thread!  Still, I appreciate the response a ton. It’s almost comforting to know that my current company is a dead end, because it gives me the motivation to keep pushing for something new no matter what happens.If the offer comes through, I’ll ask about their expectations, then move forward from there. Thank you!
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broken pixel posted:There’s a possibility I may receive an offer from a company, which will involve a career shift and a pretty big pay and benefit increase. I’ve searched my area to try to figure out what I should expect, but there’s not a lot of results.
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Nov 12, 2021 18:17
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always negotiate!!
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Late response to both, but hey, thanks! I’ll keep looking into info. I didn’t hear back today, but that would’ve been relatively short notice.
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Nov 13, 2021 08:04
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My one quibble is this comment: quote:Any company that would rescind an offer or absolutely refuse to budge over $5K is not a company you want to be working for anyway. Bolded part my emphasis. I think a company saying "Our offer is our best offer" is not a bad thing at all. Don't think a company that offers 110 and negotiates to 120 is better than a company that offer 125k but is firm. However, always negotiate. In the above example, a good company will just give a polite "Our offer is firm". You lost nothing in asking whether or not the offer was the best or below market. If they rescind they've done you a favor either way.
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I got something other than a rejection from Lockheed yesterday—an email asking me to fill out a conflict of interests form relating to my answer to the question of whether or not I’ve ever served in the military or as a government official, the answer for which was yes. The email also said my resume was “under review”. Of course, never working in the corporate world before I have no idea what to expect from here. I’m aware that I may not even get an interview. But, it’s encouraging to have received some kind of less negative response than “Sorry, no.” So I’m crossing my fingers and I’m gonna see how far it takes me. If it takes me to an interview, awesome. If it doesn’t, or if I don’t get an offer, at least I’ll have a better idea of what the process looks like.
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Nov 15, 2021 14:45
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That's not negative, that's a requirement of their federal contracts. You're not supposed to be able to, for example, go from a committee member approving a contract to serving as a high paid executive on that same contract. So this is a tiny step forward. I can't tell you if that means someone actually put you on a good pile or if its just an automatic thing that happens to anyone who didn't become immediately disqualified.
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Lockback posted:That's not negative, that's a requirement of their federal contracts. You're not supposed to be able to, for example, go from a committee member approving a contract to serving as a high paid executive on that same contract. So this is a tiny step forward. Oh I know it’s not negative, my point was more that I know where my expectations should be, but it’s still a better response than “no”. Someone I know at Lockheed could possibly tell me more about what this means beyond just not being outright rejected, if it does end up meaning anything beyond that.
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Heard from another company I applied for, basically the same day I applied. They want to schedule a tele-interview, so I’m going to try and get it scheduled before Thanksgiving. I’m terrified because I was in the military for years and then spent almost a decade as a freelance photographer, so job interviews are foreign to me—this is not a thing in which I have experience.
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Nov 17, 2021 15:04
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life is killing me posted:job interviews are foreign to me—this is not a thing in which I have experience. Apologies for linking some annoying Youtube guy, but I think this playlist from The Companies Expert is full of good interview advice. fwiw I'm a manager currently in a hiring process https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO4kDC0EWkeCnf8PBRk7XDPhrzmAxHLah
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This Friday, I have a second and maybe final round job interview! It's at a local branch of a massive global ecological conservation nonprofit (think NRDC or the like). This is for a professional mid-career and non-managerial position, working on local issues I'm very familiar with. The interview is a remote panel interview over zoom, my interviewers are a program manager, a research scientist, and a fundraiser. My job will be public facing to people from community groups to politicians and businesses. I'm currently an architectural designer and switching fields into a bigger picture communications and policy role, if that context helps. What should I wear? I feel like I should know this, but it has been a long time since I interviewed for a job and my previous interviews were all in a somewhat different type of work environment. A suit seems a little over-the-top for what I feel is a more business casual place. How should I prepare? The job is to run a specific initiative that has two major 100+ page documents dictating how it works. I'm obviously reading and taking notes on these, but how else should I prepare?
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Nov 17, 2021 20:46
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Leon Sumbitches posted:What should I wear? I feel like I should know this, but it has been a long time since I interviewed for a job and my previous interviews were all in a somewhat different type of work environment. A suit seems a little over-the-top for what I feel is a more business casual place. Many places with casual dress codes would still prefer a suit at the interview. And others would not like you to be that overdressed.
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dirby posted:Ask the person who will be leading the interview, if you can. Or someone else connected to the hiring process.
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Dik Hz posted:The best person to ask is the HR person coordinating the interview. Or the recruiter if you're going through a recruiter. Don't ask the hiring manager. The program coordinator, who is a team member on the small team I'd be joining, has set up the interviews. Still ok to ask?
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cum jabbar posted:Apologies for linking some annoying Youtube guy, but I think this playlist from The Companies Expert is full of good interview advice. fwiw I'm a manager currently in a hiring process I watch the first two on the list and generally agree that this approach is a very good "starting from scratch" way to interview, particularly for phone interviews. Coming at it with the answer formulas suggested and the energy this guy is bringing (i.e. that he is actually excited to work there) is easily going to put you in the top half. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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dirby posted:Ask the person who will be leading the interview, if you can. Or someone else connected to the hiring process. This but I distinctly remember 50+% giving me a useless answer. If they dont give you a specific answer, wear a suit. For a more nuanced answer, be one level slightly nicer than what people wear in that job. I think of the order as: T Shirt and Jeans, Safety Uniform/PPE Polo Shirt and Khakis. Shoes don't matter unless you need steel toes in which case, wear em. Long Sleeve Button Up and Khakis. Casual leather shoes that match your belt. Sport coat/blazer with button up over khakis. Match shoes/belt. Suit. Match shoes/belt. EDIT: I wrote this and didnt read you whole post. For this question: Leon Sumbitches posted:[...] massive global [...] professional mid-career [...] remote panel interview over zoom [...] My job will be public facing to people from community groups to politicians and businesses. You wear a suit. You don't need to ask but can it won't hurt. EDIT2: And get a ring light. Theyre $15 on amazon and that poo poo makes you look like a youtube star while everyone else looks like a dumpster. I really can't stress enough how much value a $15 ring light can bring. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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CarForumPoster posted:This but I distinctly remember 50+% giving me a useless answer. If they dont give you a specific answer, wear a suit. For a more nuanced answer, be one level slightly nicer than what people wear in that job. Great advice on the ring light, I'll make sure to grab one. I'm nervous that a suit would ding me somehow. Both my father (non-profit management) and my cousin (non-profit social media) have told me that a suit is too much based on their experience. For a sit-down video interview (no pants) is there a measurable difference between a blazer with a dress shirt and a tie vs. a suit with the same? Some of my unstructured blazers might be slightly less formal while still showing that I know how to dress to impress.
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Leon Sumbitches posted:For a sit-down video interview (no pants) is there a measurable difference between a blazer with a dress shirt and a tie vs. a suit with the same? Some of my unstructured blazers might be slightly less formal while still showing that I know how to dress to impress. Either is fine, particularly because you seem to have some sense of how to dress yourself. This cannot be assumed with goons. Also, it goes without saying but just in case: if your cock or labia are out during the interview they must be erect. I know thats a rule based on the same 1970s human factors measurements that said all offices should be 70°F for men's comfort, but interviews are not the time to defy office norms. No experience with labial erections though. 
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I scheduled my interview for Friday and even though it’s for a position where I’ll be turning wrenches on flying things, I’ll be defaulting to a suit and tie for sure, with a clean-shaven smooth head and manicured beard.
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life is killing me posted:I scheduled my interview for Friday and even though it’s for a position where I’ll be turning wrenches on flying things, I’ll be defaulting to a suit and tie for sure, with a clean-shaven smooth head and manicured beard. For Lockmart et al thats the industry standard. For a BFE, Georgia airstrip yea maybe not.
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Non-profit interview strikes me as a "blazer and dress shirt" kind of situation. In my experience video interviews everywhere have a much lower threshold for dress code formality than in-person interviews, too. Wear pants, of course.
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I just skimmed some reviews for the company I’m interviewing at, and boy do I wish I’d done this a lot harder before accepting the interview. Either way I guess it’s practice, and whatever the case there’s no guarantee I’ll get an offer anyway. One of their questions will surely be, “Why’ve you been out of the industry for almost a decade?”
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I also just realized that even though the HR guy sent a Google Meet link, he wants me to call the telephone number and enter a PIN, so I am actually not sure if I'm supposed to join a video call or we are just using Google Meet to facilitate a telephone interview
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life is killing me posted:I also just realized that even though the HR guy sent a Google Meet link, he wants me to call the telephone number and enter a PIN, so I am actually not sure if I'm supposed to join a video call or we are just using Google Meet to facilitate a telephone interview He probably WANTS a video chat. But, if there's technical issues that prevent that from happening for whatever reason on either end, it's better to just chat over the phone than completely reschedule. Also, phones tend to sound better than the lovely mic on your webcam. At least that's why I interview that way.
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blackmet posted:He probably WANTS a video chat. But, if there's technical issues that prevent that from happening for whatever reason on either end, it's better to just chat over the phone than completely reschedule. Also, phones tend to sound better than the lovely mic on your webcam. I just finished with the interview and I'm still not sure what they wanted. I dialed in but also went into the meeting room, he didn't have video on, and he switched off his phone when he realized I was on. Anyhow, the interview itself was like ten minutes long and he basically asked about my experience, then seemed almost like he was thinking, well you were in the Army and you did this, so you're probably good. He asked like maybe one other question and then went into the company, the shifts, we talked about pay, and then he said he was going to draft an offer letter and the HR guy I dealt with would be in touch with me. After all the reviews I read on glassdoor, that may or may not happen, and I'm undecided on whether I'll take the job. I've never done a legit interview before so was expecting the typical questions, and I got none of those--he didn't even ask why I'd been out of the industry for almost a decade, so I'm not entirely sure if that clicked with him. I didn't mention it when we talked about my experience, I'm just assuming he's read my resume and was aware of that experience gap. I certainly don't want to show up to work my first day (if I take the job) and have them come up to me and go, "Hey, how come you didn't tell us you haven't done this in over nine years?" Either way, I'm kind of vexed by the interview, it was almost too easy--it makes me wonder what I'm in for, when combined with the company's reviews from employees. Any insight into this? I imagine even if you're not in the aviation industry, I can't be the only one who has experienced an interview like this. I'm just not sure what to make of it, but I've also been told I overanalyze the gently caress out of things, so it's possible that's what I'm doing here. If that's the case, feel free to call me out on it.
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A perfunctory interview means either they decided not to offer you the job before it began, or that they decided to offer you the job before it began. I've seen it happen both ways. But my experience is that either way, it usually turns out to not be a very good company.
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I had an interview like that once, but they at least actually asked me a coding question. I got an offer after one short chat with some developer named Sparky. This set off some alarm bells and after I looked at company reviews they all pretty much advised to run the other direction.
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Eric the Mauve posted:A perfunctory interview means either they decided not to offer you the job before it began, or that they decided to offer you the job before it began. I've seen it happen both ways. But my experience is that either way, it usually turns out to not be a very good company. Yeah the company's reviews are reflecting this. I'm having a hard time deciding if I'd take the job should the promised offer reach me and all other desires and needs per salary, benefits and work shifts/hours were met, mainly because I've seen some reviewers say it's a good way to gain some experience and isn't a long-term job prospect. It did kind of feel like they were going to offer me the job and just had to get the interview out of the way to make completely sure. He didn't ask about my credentials and licensing, nothing like that. It's like someone could just say they're an FAA-certified mechanic on their resume and get kind of far through the employment paperwork before anyone made them prove it, and that is worrisome at best. One review did say, "They hire any yahoo with an A&P cert." a dingus posted:after I looked at company reviews they all pretty much advised to run the other direction. Same for this company. The management is spoken of a lot in the reviews, complained about, never praised, except for two customer service/ticket/gate agents who said their manager was amazing, and probably thus had the same manager. I try not to put too much stock into what a few people say about management because they could just be disgruntled and mad about something not going their way or being laid off or fired, but there were SO MANY reviews blasting management, especially the CEO, who many said has no idea how to run an airline and doesn't give a poo poo about his employees. Lots of people said it doesn't pay what you're worth, either. Talking through it here, typing it out, is helping me make a decision before I even talk to my wife about it.
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life is killing me posted:Yeah the company's reviews are reflecting this. I'm having a hard time deciding if I'd take the job should the promised offer reach me and all other desires and needs per salary, benefits and work shifts/hours were met, mainly because I've seen some reviewers say it's a good way to gain some experience and isn't a long-term job prospect. It did kind of feel like they were going to offer me the job and just had to get the interview out of the way to make completely sure. He didn't ask about my credentials and licensing, nothing like that. It's like someone could just say they're an FAA-certified mechanic on their resume and get kind of far through the employment paperwork before anyone made them prove it, and that is worrisome at best. One review did say, "They hire any yahoo with an A&P cert." Its a BATNA if anything, use it to close other deals and hone your negotiating. Give them a price that makes you blush if you'd take it and deal with the BS if they paid enough.
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life is killing me posted:Yeah the company's reviews are reflecting this. I'm having a hard time deciding if I'd take the job should the promised offer reach me and all other desires and needs per salary, benefits and work shifts/hours were met, mainly because I've seen some reviewers say it's a good way to gain some experience and isn't a long-term job prospect. It did kind of feel like they were going to offer me the job and just had to get the interview out of the way to make completely sure. He didn't ask about my credentials and licensing, nothing like that. It's like someone could just say they're an FAA-certified mechanic on their resume and get kind of far through the employment paperwork before anyone made them prove it, and that is worrisome at best. One review did say, "They hire any yahoo with an A&P cert." What I'm trying to say is: a big part of the interview is just checking to make sure the candidate is a normal person, for whatever definition of normal is appropriate. A perfunctory interview is still screening those things.
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Had another interview for a job I would describe as a "dream job" and feeling like I didn't do well enough. I was feeling good while prepping with my partner, but then the questions came and I wasn't feeling a lot of enthusiasm on the other end. I can prep but I'm not sure what else I can do at this point to improve my job prospects. I'm super qualified for this one and know I would do an amazing job but kind of feel like I failed to communicate that. 
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Had another interview for a job I would describe as a "dream job" and feeling like I didn't do well enough. I was feeling good while prepping with my partner, but then the questions came and I wasn't feeling a lot of enthusiasm on the other end. I can prep but I'm not sure what else I can do at this point to improve my job prospects. I'm super qualified for this one and know I would do an amazing job but kind of feel like I failed to communicate that. I could have written this post about the interview I just had. It was a panel conversation over zoom and I had a really hard time engaging all panelists and couldn't really feel their enthusiasm. I think I did ok with questions, and ended enthusiastically, but got the impression they weren't feeling it. The questions were also quite challenging and I felt like I didn't have all the information since I'm not doing the job yet and don't know all details.
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It's important to always bear in mind that a good many postings are for jobs that aren't actually available, the company knows who they're hiring for that role but they have to make a pretense of fair hiring. Sometimes you'll get that flat effect from interviewers not because you suck, but because they know you won't be hired and they're just going through the motions. The more obviously desirable the job is, probably the more true this gets. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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I feel like that might be true if I just get some HR fucko asking me dumb interview questions, but when it's fairly high level people asking me real stuff about my experience and qualifications, it seems less likely.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I feel like that might be true if I just get some HR fucko asking me dumb interview questions, but when it's fairly high level people asking me real stuff about my experience and qualifications, it seems less likely. The same situation put another way is when they've already interviewed a great candidate. If you can only hire 1 person then the candidate might be doing great but not at the same level, as an interviewer this can be very obvious and it can be hard to stay engaged. It's not about doing XYZ in that situation, there's no difference between 2nd and last place. They could have started the process with one expectation but then the panel interview you now have a super high bar set by the previous candidate. Even if I know a candidate is a miss I'll still go through a minimum set of questions to give them some experience and see if there's maybe a fit elsewhere. That's kinda rare though, and in general most managers don't find it worthwhile to keep good candidates that you don't have roles for in their back pockets. Really all you can do is be engaging, prep, and make sure you are doing enough interviews to get the odds on your side.
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Apparently there's also a bias towards the first candidate interviewed on a given day, so the later in the day you are the harder you have to work to stand out.
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As a hiring manager, I try to bring the same level of energy to every interview I do. As an interviewee....interviewing with someone who's low energy is so loving hard, and I have yet to master the ability to get through them with a positive view. Sure, it's probably that they've already interviewed who they really want, but still.
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For those of you who have followed my story (demoted but can’t get new job due to bankruptcy)… Another person in HR was just demoted from a manager, title to title manager (in HR world a Compensation Manager and Manager, Compensation mean two different things) and she asked me a question. While interviewing, is there ANY harm in her saying she stepped down because the office was going to open back up again and they wanted everyone who manages people in the office again but she was not willing to do that?
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Pillowpants posted:For those of you who have followed my story (demoted but can’t get new job due to bankruptcy)… Depends entirely on if you're interviewing with a remote-friendly company. Might say something more neutral like "the company was bringing everyone back onsite, but I've decided I'm remote from now on"
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Thanks to the advice in this thread I've got myself a provisional offer. Now to wait for the package on Monday and off to the Negotiations thread.
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