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One of the aims of Brexit was to change human right laws and courts within the UK. And obviously not for the better.
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The Question IRL posted:Just to circle back to this, I'm not 100% sure the Euro is bad. Having a single currency without coherent fiscal or economic policy is insanity, and it is this context that makes the euro bad for everyone else. It's not even a case where you no longer have access to fiscal and monetary tools to use during economic crises, but external powers with de facto seperate markets and different, even conflicting interests are now in charge of these things. Pretty much every necessary monetary tool liberalism has, and several that were planks of the 2017/19 labour manifesto, were simply not options available to Greece, Spain or Italy. "Print money to buy things and grow the economy" lies at the heart of Smith, Ricardo, Keynes, and any interpretation of mmt. Not being allowed to do that by someone whose economy is fundamentally unaffected, or even improved, by your country burning down is literally the proximate cause of the eurozone crisis
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Nov 20, 2021 16:21
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Judges getting mad about badly drafted laws was basically the only control on the government for the last decade and behind all that "enemies of the people" "activist lawyers" Priti Patel bullshit in the first place. Why is everyone queuing up to dunk on this suggestion?
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Nov 20, 2021 16:25
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York always gets argy about access to the city centre at this time of year because the national barrier asset gets deployed to prevent vehicle attacks on the Christmas market like Berlin in 2016. It was a big doorstep issue in 2019 because of course people vote about local traffic management in a national election. It fucks things up for traders who are only allowed access for short periods early in the day, locals because the barriers create chokepoints on pedestrian flow in really awkward places, mobility impaired users who are shut out for Christmas and terrorists because where are they going to go on the rampage now? loving Selby? The smart solution would be to pedestrianise far more, pushing the perimeter out far enough that there's no crowding at entry points and you can allow vehicles up close to the barriers to drop people off. Then use the railway museum road train and a fleet of Zermatt style electric taxis, Scarborough's donkeys or some reindeer to ferry around the mobility impaired, overburdened shoppers and the pissed. You'd have to change delivery patterns in the city centre as well, but it's never not been a problem that every shop in town tries to unload an HGV between 8 and 9 in the morning.
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Nov 20, 2021 16:25
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Creating crowded pedestrian chokepoints that emergency services can't get to easily sounds like it would be a boon to any would-be terrorist rather than a hindrance, but I'm not a terrorism expert.
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Nov 20, 2021 16:32
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jaete posted:Why would it not hold up in court? What is the judge gonna do, will they say ok let's look at the constitution... oh wait, there isn't one... where it explicitly guarantees freedom of speech.... oh no wait, it doesn't really... and also there's a lot of case law saying that this freedom of speech is very broad and protects all kinds of unpopular political opinions especially... or is there? Probably isn't Because accusations of antisemitism against non-antisemitic statements aren't logically coherent, I guess? They don't have to be for the poo poo to stick when it comes to smearing politicians in the media, but if actually scrutinised that should be apparent in many cases
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Nov 20, 2021 16:41
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Spangly A posted:Having a single currency without coherent fiscal or economic policy is insanity, and it is this context that makes the euro bad for everyone else. It's not even a case where you no longer have access to fiscal and monetary tools to use during economic crises, but external powers with de facto seperate markets and different, even conflicting interests are now in charge of these things. Pretty much every necessary monetary tool liberalism has, and several that were planks of the 2017/19 labour manifesto, were simply not options available to Greece, Spain or Italy. See this is where my knowledge runs out - and the otherwise excellent MMT book was mainly about the US and the UK, and kind of casually mentioned the Eurozone as "here's an example of a place that's given up some monetary sovereignty to do a thing, so they can't do the printing thing so much". But given that Spangly A posted:Having a single currency without coherent fiscal or economic policy is insanity but also that having the Eurozone countries go back to having (checks wiki) 18 different currencies again* would be a right pain in the arse, what does this look like? Can it even be done, that level of integration? Does it make sense? Or considering that in the US, which is similarly giant and a currency issuer, even the states are currency users which have to use taxes (and federal money I guess) to pay for things, is my above assertion wrong and countries should have their own currencies for precisely that reason? Economics makes my head hurt. *I'm assuming Luxembourg and Belgium will revert to sharing a currency, even if the shops further away from the border in Belgium get funny about accepting coins with the Grand Duke's head on
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Nov 20, 2021 16:50
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josh04 posted:Judges getting mad about badly drafted laws was basically the only control on the government for the last decade and behind all that "enemies of the people" "activist lawyers" Priti Patel bullshit in the first place. Why is everyone queuing up to dunk on this suggestion? If you rely on the independence and duty of the judiciary, then right wingers will just remove it. And even before that judges will protest within the bounds of the law as much as possible - the Stansted 15 still got convicted, the psychoactive substances act is used the way it was intended to be used, and judicial review into places like the DWP and home office are met with a resounding "gently caress off" even at the extreme points of self-contempting parliament and Actual Criminal Priti Patel. This is to say nothing of independent judges who personally agree with hanging everyone the government doesn't like - the decorum control didn't help the Birmingham six one bit. It's exactly why they're still going on about the echr, it's a judiciary they can't gently caress with so easily, with the added benefit of slowly turning the public against the idea of judicial independence. We're probably further away from the full hellworld scenarios of the US, Brazil, Hungary, situations of a totally controlled activist judiciary, but at some point some scheming bastards are going to start making headway on the long march, which would leave us with total independence and lifelong tenure for an ideologically captured judiciary. It's a protection with limitations and relying on it is still going to see a lot of people getting stomped anyway, especially those who need legal aid, is the point. Individual judges doing good poo poo can't cover us all, and there will be plenty that are very happy to declare everyone but readers of the times a terrorist. Bobstar posted:
Tbh the only takes I've ever seen from economists are either "this obvious problem definitely doesn't exist, stop saying it does" or "we're definitely hosed". You could theoretically integrate the planet into a single currency if you had the infrastructure to support it, and a properly integrated eurozone makes more sense than either the current reality or the whole thing collapsing. The problem is that it's politically impossible to integrate the EU, the material realities make it impossible to keep the status quo, and the EU collapsing at some point is the only outcome that doesn't require working to keep the majority of voters in each ez country happy. It's already fragmenting under a best-case pandemic and a migrant situation we won't even recognise as a real crisis within ten years. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 16:53
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Here's an example I was teaching about yesterday of how seriously our courts take international human rights law:s335A(3) Insolvency Act 1986 posted:Where [an application to the court to sell a bankrupt person's home] is made after the end of the period of one year beginning with the first vesting ... of the bankrupt’s estate in a trustee, the court shall assume, unless the circumstances of the case are exceptional, that the interests of the bankrupt’s creditors outweigh all other considerations. The courts think that this is perfectly consistent with: Art 3 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child posted:In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration Because occasionally not disregarding the child's needs entirely is definitely the same thing as always regarding them as a primary consideration.
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Nov 20, 2021 17:28
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Is there an easy way to block individual subreddits? (Yes, I know the easiest way is not to use the paedophile neo-Nazi website in the first place).
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Nov 20, 2021 17:52
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I’m trading today in a market in North Shropshire, and the political candidates are out in force for the by-election. During my breaks I’ve thus far told the RefUK woman to ‘get to gently caress’ and harangued the Labour candidate as ‘a blairite wanker who could only get the nomination through a stitch-up’. (Incidentally he was surrounded by a crowd of posh, disgustingly clean cut Young Labour clones- he looked like a very specific sort of pimp) Now I’m looking for a Tory or Lib Dem to bully to complete the trifecta. Is this praxis?
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Nov 20, 2021 18:02
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Camrath posted:I’m trading today in a market in North Shropshire, and the political candidates are out in force for the by-election. Did you tell them to … wait for it… “go and fudge themselves”? I’ll accept whatever probation this merits. It was worth it.
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Nov 20, 2021 18:14
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Thank you for the horrific concept of a politics themed brothel, which is now in my head and also everyone in it has alistair darling's eyebrows.
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Nov 20, 2021 18:17
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OwlFancier posted:Thank you for the horrific concept of a politics themed brothel, which is now in my head and also everyone in it has alistair darling's eyebrows. Isn't that just... a brothel? They've always played a major role in national politics.
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Nov 20, 2021 18:46
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I think generally you would not pay to get rodgered by a peter mandelson lookalike while he tells you how the iraq war was entirely justified and actually very good. At least not since I stopped paying labour dues anyway.
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Nov 20, 2021 18:51
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therattle posted:Did you tell them to … wait for it… “go and fudge themselves”? Haha I was just thinking something along the lines of tell them to 'stick some fudge where the sun don't shine'.(But a waste of good fudge.)
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Nov 20, 2021 18:56
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Jewish socialist Jo Bird has been expelled from the Labour Party apparently for supporting Labour against the Witchhunt. (Which reminds me, didn't someone ITT a few weeks ago say LAW had some anti-semitic views and was going to give us links? Have to say I've never really looked in to it.)  Top right, point 11, how on earth do you prove you're NOT a supporter of something?
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Nov 20, 2021 19:01
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Jewish socialist Jo Bird has been expelled from the Labour Party apparently for supporting Labour against the Witchhunt. I was thinking that. Does she have to have a dartboard with the LAW leaders face on it?
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Nov 20, 2021 19:22
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Glad we let this guy decide what is and isn’t anti Semitic speech https://twitter.com/baddiel/status/1462038883559002126?s=21
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Nov 20, 2021 19:34
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Top right, point 11, how on earth do you prove you're NOT a supporter of something? 
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Nov 20, 2021 19:43
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Noxville posted:Glad we let this guy decide what is and isn’t anti Semitic speech Looks like he is just a very inflammatory person.
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Nov 20, 2021 19:45
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Top right, point 11, how on earth do you prove you're NOT a supporter of something? They don't want her to. They want her to publicly denounce LAW and to name names, same as happened at the McCarthy hearings. Having done so they'll probably kick her out of the party anyway, of course, but the denunciation is the authoritarian playbook move.
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Nov 20, 2021 19:45
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I don't know why good people are still in Labour trying to change things. The party will always be in the clutches of the right wing, and any attempts to swing it back to the left will be sabotaged at every step. People should focus their efforts on a viable alternative, because rescuing Labour just isn't going to happen.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:02
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Meanwhile Starmer is advertising GB News.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:08
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fuctifino posted:I don't know why good people are still in Labour trying to change things. The party will always be in the clutches of the right wing, and any attempts to swing it back to the left will be sabotaged at every step. People should focus their efforts on a viable alternative, because rescuing Labour just isn't going to happen. What is the viable alternative pray tell. Outside of Scotland/Wales/NI anyway.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:14
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Private Speech posted:What is the viable alternative pray tell. It would have to be something new. It's going to take a lot of time and effort, I'm not denying that, but anything has to be better than fighting a losing battle trying to steer Labour back to the Left? What's the viable alternative to not creating something new? Because Labour is never going to change for the better now.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:19
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fuctifino posted:I don't know why good people are still in Labour trying to change things. The party will always be in the clutches of the right wing, and any attempts to swing it back to the left will be sabotaged at every step. People should focus their efforts on a viable alternative, because rescuing Labour just isn't going to happen. Well the next town and county council elections in Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and many other parts of England are May 2022. Be good if we could agree one of the new national (UK wide) parties to get behind and stand candidates even if we get nowhere just to bring an alternative to public awareness before the next general. Why not Green? Round here, greens are a cover for nimbys and are more likely to vote tory than left if green candidates stand down. Why not Plaid (or other nationalist parties)? I think we need to try and go for a UK-wide party because unless or until FPTP goes, a multi-split opposition will only benefit the tories and the nationalist parties only stand in their own country/principality. Why not LibDem? Tories in a yellow diamond. Anyway, that's my thought for the day. I do look at the Breakthrough Party quite often. Anyone know any bad stuff about them that I should know?
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Private Speech posted:What is the viable alternative pray tell. Grassroots community organizing and building parallel structures. Electoralism looks pretty dead, Corbyn (and Bernie) was the last chance it had to revive itself and it was dragged out behind the shed and summarily executed.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:19
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She’d probably enjoy a garnish of Arse Tomatoes with it…
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Nov 20, 2021 20:20
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Kindof agree tbh apple/rhubarb/gooseberry crumble and custard is a superior desert to tiramasu.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:25
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Apple and rhubarb crumble with custard is nice now and again. e^^ 
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https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1462120857640255499
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Camrath posted:I’m trading today in a market in North Shropshire, and the political candidates are out in force for the by-election. It sure is my man. Haranguing politicians in the street is both great fun and politically effective. They can’t tell you to gently caress off either so if you find one you really don’t like and have a spare few hours you can waste a lot of their time making them gradually more wound up if you’re somewhat tactful about it.
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Nov 20, 2021 20:57
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Jewish socialist Jo Bird has been expelled from the Labour Party apparently for supporting Labour against the Witchhunt. Hey, that was me! It seems it’s mostly to do with platforming Holocaust deniers like Norman Finkelstein and key members like Chris Williamson defending the likes of Gilad Atzmon, a well known Holocaust denier. This is all pretty second hand to be honest but from the hands of people I really trust, and a lot of them. Not that there isn’t a good argument for being in Labour and Against a Witch Hunt, just that specific group doesn’t seem to associate itself with the right sorts. Sleep with dogs etc etc
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Nov 20, 2021 21:03
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Jakabite posted:Holocaust deniers like Norman Finkelstein maybe you're being facetious and i can't tell anymore but given that both his parents survived both the Warsaw ghetto and Auschwitz i think his view might be more complex than that
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Nov 20, 2021 21:18
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keep punching joe posted:Kindof agree tbh apple/rhubarb/gooseberry crumble and custard is a superior desert to tiramasu. I think they're all good, and we should show dessert solidarity here. She's quoting Salman Rushdie in her letter, I wonder if she realizes.
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Jakabite posted:Hey, that was me! It seems it’s mostly to do with platforming Holocaust deniers like Norman Finkelstein and key members like Chris Williamson defending the likes of Gilad Atzmon, a well known Holocaust denier. This is all pretty second hand to be honest but from the hands of people I really trust, and a lot of them. I thought Finkelstein was not so much a holocaust denier, more of a "some people use the suffering of the holocaust to justify political ends." person. I've never really looked into the Chris Williamson business as I find him a singularly unappetizing figure (though I should be careful about taking a dim view of someone on the basis of the media but I've never seen anything that makes me want to find out more!). Gilad Atzmon ditto.
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Has anyone ever actually said what bad stuff they thought Corbyn would have done to Jewish people once he was in power? Its so fun watching everyone get into the academic weeds over israel and zionism and historical claims while the Tories privatise the NHS, stamp all over LGBT rights and feel safe announcing that they'll drown migrants in the chanel.
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Yeah Norman Finkelstein is definitely not a holocaust denier as far as I'm aware.
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Yeah sorry I’m kinda drunk and was just going off my second hand source (my partner). I’ve taken a look and yeah not sure what the deal is with them saying he’s a Holocaust denier? E: as far as I can tell it’s the defence of David Irving on LATW calls that’s the big issue with Finkelstein Jakabite fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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