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Man it would genuinely rule if Gentle ended up being part of how Shigaraki gets taken down. We've seen that he can't manipulate air, which Gentle can, so why not? e: also I would like Uraraka to contribute at least a little bit after her big speech.
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TheHan posted:So there was no no point to this arc. Not even her game changing quirk stayed behind. Was another muscle lady sacrificed on the altar purely to give an excuse for why none of the other nations will be dropping by to lend a hand? Near the end of the series, to raise the stakes even higher, Shigaraki will disintegrate an entire city. The city will be full of nothing but buff ladies. There will be 8 highly detailed pages of crowds of muscled women dissolving. Brandfarlig posted:MHA is also doing the classic mistake of introducing 30 characters and forgetting about 27 of them. Of course you can't give that much screen time to the entire class but why bother introducing another class if you can barely fit the first one in? At least Ochako is treated somewhat better than Sakura. HxH is one of the few examples of this being done well, where there's a small core cast, but each arc will introduce a bunch of new characters (who have focus within that arc).
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Nov 19, 2021 21:14
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remembering better times..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofWrpYYAWp8
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Brandfarlig posted:Get hosed, random pilot. I know why they would be partial to Star but my rear end that that 4 chapter scrub surpassed All Might I don't think WSJ editorial particularly cares about a bunch of Westerners complaining online
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Nov 19, 2021 22:05
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Manatee Cannon posted:this is a huge problem with introducing a character literally just to job Horikoshi had a cool idea for a fight and so put it in. Except the fight sucked so oh well.
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Nov 19, 2021 22:40
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Interesting that people are just starting to notice problems because these are all long term issues that've been around for a while (pacing, inconsistency, predictably untouchable villain, etc.). I like Horikoshi but he still seems in his infancy as an author and not quite sure of himself yet. MHA lost me a while ago and I'm currently reading it out of boredom and obligation more than anything else (ala later Naruto and Bleach). Not expecting much from the rest of MHA, but hopefully Horikoshi gets a shot at another series later.
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Blockhouse posted:I don't think WSJ editorial particularly cares about a bunch of Westerners complaining online That seems to be a rather pedantic thing to focus - of course WSJ doesn't care about Westerners complaining online, they don't even read them. Sometimes you just have to express discontent one way or another.
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Kaliedoscope posted:That seems to be a rather pedantic thing to focus - of course WSJ doesn't care about Westerners complaining online, they don't even read them. I'm not saying you shouldn't or can't. I'm saying "why isn't WSJ stepping in and stopping this terrible story!!!" is because it literally does not matter to them unless it effects sales of MHA, which is largely up to whether or not the actual Japanese audience dislikes or even cares about all of this.
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Nov 19, 2021 23:33
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Blockhouse posted:I'm not saying you shouldn't or can't. I'm saying "why isn't WSJ stepping in and stopping this terrible story!!!" is because it literally does not matter to them unless it effects sales of MHA, which is largely up to whether or not the actual Japanese audience dislikes or even cares about all of this. I'm not expecting them to give a poo poo about my posting it's just that this series is speedrunning every mistake Naruto made and you'd think someone somewhere would learn. And come on, introducing Star just to blow her up is so obviously bad writing anyone should've caught it. It would've cost 5 chapters at most to make this work if it was planned better. Amante posted:Interesting that people are just starting to notice problems because these are all long term issues that've been around for a while (pacing, inconsistency, predictably untouchable villain, etc.). I like Horikoshi but he still seems in his infancy as an author and not quite sure of himself yet. MHA lost me a while ago and I'm currently reading it out of boredom and obligation more than anything else (ala later Naruto and Bleach). Not expecting much from the rest of MHA, but hopefully Horikoshi gets a shot at another series later. Pacing and inconsistencies, sure. But it's only really since the raid that Shiggy has been boringly invincible and the fight at the end of the raid was pretty cool. Gran Torino should've died though and I don't tend to call for character deaths. The main reason that I'm frustrated is that until recently the series was fairly consistently good with some exceptions. 1A v 1B wasn't fantastic and unless they show up at the end it was entirely superfluous. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 03:32
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I wonder how accurate the Bakuman portrayal of Jump remains nearly a decade later. If it's at all still relevant then it's likely the Jump editors are happy to just sit by and watch Horikoshi work through his issues himself rather than step in and interfere (for better or worse).
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Nov 20, 2021 05:02
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He's a comic creator, of course he has issues.
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Waffleman_ posted:He's a comic creator, of course he has issues. ...
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Nov 20, 2021 08:18
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Yeah this feels like he’s just making stuff up on the fly right now.
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Every single arc since the end of the war feels like it's speedrunning whatever was supposed to happen in it despite most of the individual plot beats and even some moments being great Gal Might's schtick is out of loving nowhere, but with any actual buildup, even it could work
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Jen X posted:Every single arc since the end of the war feels like it's speedrunning whatever was supposed to happen in it despite most of the individual plot beats and even some moments being great One nameless pilot said she surpassed All Might so obviously the last chapter was better than UNITED STATES OF SMASH ....riiiiight?
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Brandfarlig posted:One nameless pilot said she surpassed All Might so obviously the last chapter was better than UNITED STATES OF SMASH ....riiiiight? That pilot was also a close friend of hers that just watched her die in a heroic sacrifice, so he's probably a bit biased.
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Amante posted:Interesting that people are just starting to notice problems because these are all long term issues that've been around for a while (pacing, inconsistency, predictably untouchable villain, etc.). I like Horikoshi but he still seems in his infancy as an author and not quite sure of himself yet. MHA lost me a while ago and I'm currently reading it out of boredom and obligation more than anything else (ala later Naruto and Bleach). Not expecting much from the rest of MHA, but hopefully Horikoshi gets a shot at another series later. it's been pretty bad since the classroom fight, which is also the arc where i think it was shown the author doesn't fully understand what is good about his work. mha is great for simple, straightforward, grand dramatic and emotional moments. the fight choreography has genuinely never been something to write home about, but it's hard not to get invested watching midoriya say "gently caress off" to the warnings for the billionth time to punch someone way out of his league to save a little kid, or when all might is a shriveled husk remembering what heroism is all about for a last stand. the story has never been strong around the metaphysics of quirks or anything like that, and we've seemingly decided this is the realm where the last leg of the story should focus. it's not written as well as hxh in this respect, so the story really shouldn't be plodding around here
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Rhonne posted:That pilot was also a close friend of hers that just watched her die in a heroic sacrifice, so he's probably a bit biased. Of course, but if my first response to that line is "oh gently caress off" the story has some problems.
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tbp posted:it's not written as well as hxh in this respect, so the story really shouldn't be plodding around here Whenever I see other shonen compared to hxh, I'm reminded of when a reporter commented to Joseph Heller that none of his later novels surpassed Catch-22, and Heller just responded "Who has?"
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I don't really have a problem with any of this. Shigaraki needed some of his quirks.xlsx file trimmed down, we needed a more concrete reason other than "PAPERWORK!!!" for the rest of the world not to just send in all their heroes to stop a member of the G8 from being sank into the ocean, and you did it in a pretty cool looking fight IMO. If AFO/Shigaraki were going to become a country-threatening power you had to come up with a reason that the rest of the world just sits on their hands watching it or doesn't know about it since this is *a world* of superheroes.
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Imo, the better solution would have been to not make shigaraki a country/world threatening power in the first place.
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yeah its a weird form of circular reasoning. "he had to write this arc in such a way to solve a problem from the prior arc that he also wrote". this sort of reading / understandings kinda common in shonen for some reason, like a proxy in one piece when talking about haki would be "well oda had to draw haki so logias dont break the story". maybe just don't write them like that in the first place? a lot of complaining lately so i do have to reemphasize stars looked cool as hell and the whole fight was insanely well drawn imo. the nice part about saying gently caress it to the scale of the world is that we get moments like we did, the whole beam sequence was really sick
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One Piece at least has the reasoning of "I wrote this a decade ago when the scope of this story was so much smaller it's comical."
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On the plus side, at least this arc isn't 20+ chapters of of Gal Might's backstory before writing her off at the end. Some integration with the rest of the MHA cast would have been nice though.
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I'm still gonna bat for this manga cause outside of some wonky bits like the pretty pointless 1A vs 1B arc and how poorly thought out the Sports Festival was, this has been a great read. I was really enjoying the War arc and how well it was being delivered but it really feels that since then Hori hasn't had a clear idea of how to end the story, it's been too fragmented. Endless Quirkworks also hasn't really helped, I think Shiggy with Decay was really working for the story as he fought for his friends and became stronger that way, but now things are just a bit too messy.
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I think MHA is a good manga that's just kind of coming apart a bit, but at least not catastrophically so.
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It's not Attack on Titan, but all Horikoshi needs for that is to not have Shigaraki genocide 80% of the world and Deku thank him for it. It's still bad tho
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tbp posted:yeah its a weird form of circular reasoning. "he had to write this arc in such a way to solve a problem from the prior arc that he also wrote". this sort of reading / understandings kinda common in shonen for some reason, like a proxy in one piece when talking about haki would be "well oda had to draw haki so logias dont break the story". maybe just don't write them like that in the first place? Yeah its really annoying because if you reframe this character as someone we've 'known' for a few months/years in the comic then the entire emotional structure of the arc changes and instead of a shrug of the shoulders at the cool fight being ultimately meaningless we'd instead get the United States of Smash moment for Star where she punches Shigaraki with a concentrated death star laser. You take away the emotional connection to All Might and the history and story behind him up to that point and United States of Smash is just a cool fight scene. Which is all we're getting in the manga now. Just cool fight scenes.
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Even if she was just a movie character making an appearance in the manga, it'd be something. Oh gently caress, someone check up on Melissa, see if she's okay. E: I mean she technically is, but like an actual character.
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I like this series a lot, this set of chapters just has me checked out the same way A vs B did. The main difference is this set didn't even have any of the characters from the series I enjoy in it. Shigaraki is just not present at all, which is disappointing, but even if he were Hori really seems to want me to connect with Star here and I just can't. It's like the story writing equivalent of writing a check you can't afford to cash. If I cared about Star at all then her melting into a horrific skeleton spectre inside All for One's quirk space would have been metal as hell. It still kind of was, but that was more carried by the art than anything Star did.
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Crosspeice posted:Endless Quirkworks also hasn't really helped, I think Shiggy with Decay was really working for the story as he fought for his friends and became stronger that way, but now things are just a bit too messy. "Shigaraki figures out how to overcome his limits and makes Decay into a WMD" was a perfect final upgrade for him as a villain and giving him AfO and Perfect Cell regeneration just ruined it entirely and made him way less interesting. I was really enjoying the parallels of both Deku and Shigaraki learning how necessary and valuable teamwork and depending on others was in their own ways, but sure let's throw all of that buildup out and undermine it entirely by making the protagonist and the antagonist both impossibly powerful demigods who cannot feasibly be touched or harmed by most mere mortals.
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I feel like the endgame being a country/world level thing was pretty cemented in from the word go. Like you can't really look at AFO vs All Might and not see that- those two dudes on their last legs flatten half a town.
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Fabricated posted:I feel like the endgame being a country/world level thing was pretty cemented in from the word go. Like you can't really look at AFO vs All Might and not see that- those two dudes on their last legs flatten half a town. I mean yeah but the initial point of the story was specifically that both of those two giants were on their last legs, pale shadows of their former titanic selves that had effectively destroyed each other in their final shadow war and were running on fumes/spite, and that *this* story was all about their chosen successors building themselves up from pretty much nothing with wildly different mentors using wildly different teaching styles.
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Kanos posted:I mean yeah but the initial point of the story was specifically that both of those two giants were on their last legs, pale shadows of their former titanic selves that had effectively destroyed each other in their final shadow war and were running on fumes/spite, and that *this* story was all about their chosen successors building themselves up from pretty much nothing with wildly different mentors using wildly different teaching styles. Yeah, but that’s what they’re capable of as those pale shadows. That’s the floor of what their successors are going to be capable of at their peak.
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christmas boots posted:Yeah, but that’s what they’re capable of as those pale shadows. That’s the floor of what their successors are going to be capable of at their peak. right but i think the point is that deku and shigaraki didn't have to become demigods the way all might and afo did. they both were capable in their own rights with their own takes on their own powers, and the story also built up a really consistent theme of "the way all might did things was well intentioned, but ultimately had the fatal flaw of being dependent on him" which worked in tandem with deku's focus on working with his classmates. it is narratively a strange choice to yank deku away from cooperation with his friends the way it did, and even now that he's back with them it feels awkward in the sense that he's just so ludicrously beyond them in any capability sense that it goes beyond unwise into downright silly to have them even pretend to help him against aforaki. similar on the villains end, too. now that this new combined version can withstand icbms, why the hell does he even care about the league of villains? what can feasibly pose even a tiny threat to him beyond deku? the compeltely cracked version of this body defeated a combination of the worst possible matchups when he first awoke, the suspension of disbelief gets really weird always in these shonens when the authors can't help but crank everything up to 11
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I guess my hot hero academia take is that Shigaraki isn't as interesting a villain as the series wants him to be and the evolution he took made him even less interesting. So it's really hard to care as much when every step of these past few arcs has basically been "This guy's quirk is really strong, it can break anything!" "Oh no, what if we do this to counteract it?" "He's gotten stronger!" "Let's do this!" "He's gotten stronger again!" And aside from that one time we learned his backstory none of it's really done anything to make him more of a character. My single favorite moment of his in this entire series was when the Overhaul arc ended and they showed up; that was great. Sure, the villain arc was cool but the shift to Big Villain was already there and everyone else, even Dabi, was more interesting than Shigaraki once that move happened. Basically I wish the big fight between Deku and Shigaraki had ended conclusively instead of how it ended.
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I don't think it's a particularly hot take to think it sucks that since MVA has ended the general plot has been "Oh no Shigaraki is powering up and if we don't stop him in x days he will be unstoppable!!" to "Ok guess we stopped him but he escaped and now he's powering up again and in x day he will be unstoppable!!". And that this makes the main villain much less interesting.
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