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| Mr. Hands 2x Apple Flavor |
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| War Horse |
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Fritz the Horse posted:considering half their recent posts are getting mad about "fat neon-haired leftists" and the thinly-veiled antivaxx nonsense about "why are we risking childrens' lives, we don't know the long-term risks inherent for the vaccine" Not thinly-veiled at all. Here are two truths: I have voluntarily taken more vaccines than you, and probably everyone reading this (I've all the normal ones, plus yellow fever, plus rabies). I am definitely not going to get the covid vaccine until more long-term safety data is available. My kids are LOL never getting a vaccine that works for like 3 months (seriously--efficacy falls to 26% for pfizer after 4 months lol) for a disease that poses 0 risk to them. But I get it, you bought what the TV said. Wanna know what's great? Other than literally here covid doesn't exist in my neck of the world. No restrictions! Woo! But, yea, have fun with injecting your kids with experimental drugs for diseases they won't notice if they get. :hug: (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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knulla posted:Not thinly-veiled at all. No one cares. You aren't convincing anyone here.
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Nov 21, 2021 04:29
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knulla posted:Not thinly-veiled at all. Lol. I've had 2 whole extra vaccines, I'm an expert now! Those extras aren't all that rare, get your head out of your rear end.
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Nov 21, 2021 04:37
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the choice was between a vaccine that works for 3 months and is nearly free of any side effects or risks, or one that provides lifetime sterilizing immunity but has a high likelihood of causing significant immediate negative consequences. we went with the former, ideally you'd get to pick between the two but that isn't an option, but every single last person needs to be immunized as often as possible and we can do it at gunpoint if that's what it takes. then we also need to keep the outbreaks under control, which means sporadic rolling lockdowns. This is a rational policy position. Any policy position that doesn't end with covid being eliminated, like we successfully did with polio a half a century ago, is a cowardly denialist waste of time and should be treated with the deep disdain that it deserves
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Nov 21, 2021 04:38
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Stereotype posted:the choice was between a vaccine that works for 3 months and is nearly free of any side effects or risks, or one that provides lifetime sterilizing immunity but has a high likelihood of causing significant immediate negative consequences. we went with the former, ideally you'd get to pick between the two but that isn't an option wait, what is the vaccine option that provides lifestime sterilizing immunity with high likelihood of side effects that we could've but didn't pursue?
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Nov 21, 2021 04:51
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It's the hypothetical one that exists only in his imagination
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Nov 21, 2021 05:04
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attenuated virus vaccines do that. there's two types of polio vaccines that fit my description
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Nov 21, 2021 05:12
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That's good news for polio but this is the COVID-19 thread
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Nov 21, 2021 05:18
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knulla posted:
Unless you're posting from China, this probably isn't true. No restrictions doesn't mean no covid
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Nov 21, 2021 05:19
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Stereotype posted:attenuated virus vaccines do that. there's two types of polio vaccines that fit my description Why would that give better protection than natural infection with SARS-CoV-2? A natural polio infection gives lifetime immunity to polio. The attenuated poliovirus vaccine also gives lifetime immunity to polio. A natural infection of SARS-CoV-2 does not give lifetime sterilizing immunity. Why on earth would you assume an attenuated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine would do that?
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Nov 21, 2021 05:21
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Fritz the Horse posted:Why would that give better protection than natural infection with SARS-CoV-2? You actually need to get a dose at 2,4 and 6 months then a booster a five years old to get lasting polio immunity. One shot and you are done forever shots are rare
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Nov 21, 2021 05:39
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Fritz the Horse posted:Why would that give better protection than natural infection with SARS-CoV-2?
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Nov 21, 2021 05:39
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I looked up the duration of immunity conferred by the rabies vaccine, because I guess I assumed it was an immediate-use prophylactic that probably didn’t last much longer, possibly even shorter than the COVID vaccines. What is it about rabies and its vaccine that makes the vaccine effective for 10+ years? Same for yellow fever. What are some other short-lasting vaccines besides flu?
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Nov 21, 2021 05:46
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dwarf74 posted:Surely, my internet research is more worthwhile than the education and experience of actual immunologists, and they've just missed this obvious thing then perhaps the immunologists suggesting this could be linked instead of making unsourced, definitive statements about how we could've made a sterilizing lifetime-lasting SARS-CoV-2 attenuated vaccine but didn't edit: like, some quick googling shows there are attenuated vaccines in development. COVI-VAC, for example https://www.pnas.org/content/118/29/e2102775118 Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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mawarannahr posted:I looked up the duration of immunity conferred by the rabies vaccine, because I guess I assumed it was an immediate-use prophylactic that probably didn’t last much longer, possibly even shorter than the COVID vaccines. What is it about rabies and its vaccine that makes the vaccine effective for 10+ years? Same for yellow fever. What are some other short-lasting vaccines besides flu? Rabies vax doesn't last that long, at least it didn't for me. Got the pre-exposure version for working with bats... 2 years later and my titers were too low and had to get a booster.
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Nov 21, 2021 05:56
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knulla posted:Not thinly-veiled at all. Wow a real free thinker here, how about you slink off to freep and never come back to this thread, mmkay?
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Nov 21, 2021 05:58
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mawarannahr posted:What are some other short-lasting vaccines besides flu? That kind of mutation is generally not a cause of big flu pandemics; those are from another thing influenzas have where their genomes are split into a bunch of structurally independent segments. If you have simultaneous infection by two different species (animal & human), you can end up with hybridized virus that took segments from both and have a big antigen shift instead of a normal little change.
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Nov 21, 2021 06:52
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knulla posted:Not thinly-veiled at all. Okay boomer. For what it's worth, I do genuinely hope your kids don't eat long covid consequences for your decisions.
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Nov 21, 2021 08:35
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Potato Salad posted:Okay boomer. The seeming improvement of the gene pool isn't worth the deprivation, true enough
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Nov 21, 2021 09:04
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knulla posted:Not thinly-veiled at all. Is this the guy whose opinions you’re caping for, OOCC? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 21, 2021 14:15
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Gio posted:Is this the guy whose opinions you’re caping for, OOCC? This is the guy that is generated by your Constant hyperbolic vaccine skepticism. Why SHOULD he take the vaccine when you beat the drum nonstop that it does nothing and wears off in days? Even when studies don’t actually say that when they talk about waning.
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Nov 21, 2021 14:33
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Not exactly new information but looking at the [url=https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=region%26areaName=London#card-cases_by_specimen_date_age_demographics]case rates in London by age gives an interesting visualisation of vaccine effectiveness and rollout: You can actually see the vaccine rollout to successively-younger age ranges from summer onwards, then the resurgence in older populations being arrested by the boosters. This is simple test positivity measurement so doesn't given any information on severity - you can dig that data out from the site but unfortunately they don't put it together in a nice heat map like this.
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Nov 21, 2021 15:26
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Got boosted and flu-shotted yesterday afternoon and one arm is significantly worse than the other, but I don't remember what they stuck in which arm. Which one makes your arm hurt more?
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Nov 21, 2021 15:50
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Potato Salad posted:Okay boomer. waiting for long term safety data on covid infections before I decide to get covid
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Nov 21, 2021 16:18
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This is the guy that is generated by your Constant hyperbolic vaccine skepticism. Why SHOULD he take the vaccine when you beat the drum nonstop that it does nothing and wears off in days? Even when studies don’t actually say that when they talk about waning. Honestly mate the fact that you think these people can be negotiated with or are acting in good faith or from some point of reason and logic says a whole drat lot about you Edit to be less shitposty: you think that stating facts about how the vaccine helps protect you but isn't all powerful is what drives the ivermectin people? I don't think so. They're not consuming that media. They're consuming constant AM radio nonsense Isentropy fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 16:20
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This is the guy that is generated by your Constant hyperbolic vaccine skepticism. Why SHOULD he take the vaccine when you beat the drum nonstop that it does nothing and wears off in days? Even when studies don’t actually say that when they talk about waning. Nah don't try to use the mommy blogger vaccines = poison guy as a cudgel to assault your posting enemies. If you want to blame anyone, maybe look at the people beating the "covid in kids is NBD" drum. In reality though I don't think this guy was swayed by anyone in this thread and is probably hooked into the natural news pipeline. Look, if you can't disagree with anyone in here without calling them ANTIVAX then you might as well stay out of the thread. I don't think a bunch of people yelling at people to get their boosters and a thread full of people giving their booster trip reports are the cause of these problems.
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Professor Beetus posted:Nah don't try to use the mommy blogger vaccines = poison guy as a cudgel to assault your posting enemies. If you want to blame anyone, maybe look at the people beating the "covid in kids is NBD" drum. In reality though I don't think this guy was swayed by anyone in this thread and is probably hooked into the natural news pipeline. The idea vaccine waning means it is no longer useful after 3 months has been a harmful concept pushed in this thread for months and was specifically referenced by that guy instead of some autism or poison based reason.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The idea vaccine waning means it is no longer useful after 3 months has been a harmful concept pushed in this thread for months and was specifically referenced by that guy instead of some autism or poison based reason. You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension as it was a tertiary thing he dropped while being very concerned about long term effects from the covid vaccine. Also believing that covid is harmless to kids. You've pretty much done nothing but snide attacks since you were allowed back into this thread, so either do better or get out.
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Nov 21, 2021 18:37
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I don’t recall anyone (except that one guy) saying vaccines are useless because they lose efficacy over time. Most people warning of that were very pro vaccine in that they wanted boosters. The idea that this hurts vaccine uptake is somewhat true, unfortunately, because of laziness, or fear of more needles, or whatever reason. However, it’s not even close to as damaging as the CDC intentionally lying to and misleading people into thinking it was a miracle cure 1 time thing. Ok ok science changes, but lol if your first observation leads you to proudly exclaim we did it Covid is over, masks off! I mean I told my wife in April 2020 that yeah we’d get a vaccine but probably have to get it regularly like the flu shot… apparently that wasn’t obvious to the CDC only dumb idiots like myself.
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Nov 21, 2021 18:43
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Saying that it's antivax to tell people they should get boosters before sucking and loving in a Denny's bathroom because it implies vaccines aren't perfect is the weirdest claim, my god
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Nov 21, 2021 18:46
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Remember the CDC/FDA joint statement?quote:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE I recognized that as reckless at the time. I’m not a master at communications strategy. I merely looked a single move ahead. Platystemon posted:Pfizer is poised to present data to the FDA, claiming that their booster is safe and effective. The FDA should be poised to scrutinize this data and, if it checks out, grant emergency use authorization. Platystemon posted:CDC’s statement was rash regardless of what secret knowledge they may have.
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Nov 21, 2021 19:03
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zenguitarman posted:Got boosted and flu-shotted yesterday afternoon and one arm is significantly worse than the other, but I don't remember what they stuck in which arm. Which one makes your arm hurt more? When I got both, the flu shot arm was more sore.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This is the guy that is generated by your Constant hyperbolic vaccine skepticism. Why SHOULD he take the vaccine when you beat the drum nonstop that it does nothing and wears off in days? Even when studies don’t actually say that when they talk about waning. Did you get your booster yet, OOCC?
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Gio posted:Did you get your booster yet, OOCC? Sure, I got it without any paranoid or hyperbolic belief about what it would do. Might as well get the best protection available. But I don't hold the incorrect belief that I got a booster because my protection had dropped to zero. As far as I can tell in my age group, without any immunocompromising conditions that pre-booster I may have dropped from 90 to 75% protection from infection, and going by the graphs seem to have had a risk of hospitalization or death that is too statistically small to show up on the graphs that split people with health issues and without. no reason to NOT get the booster, and get that 75% infection protection back up, but also no reason to spread stupid mistruths that vaccines have failed, immunity returns to unvaccinated in 3 months, or any of that garbage. I was well protected before the booster and are even more well protected now.
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Nov 21, 2021 20:58
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Sure, I got it without any paranoid or hyperbolic belief about what it would do. Might as well get the best protection available. But I don't hold the incorrect belief that I got a booster because my protection had dropped to zero. As far as I can tell in my age group, without any immunocompromising conditions that pre-booster I may have dropped from 90 to 75% protection from infection, and going by the graphs seem to have had a risk of hospitalization or death that is too statistically small to show up on the graphs that split people with health issues and without. no reason to NOT get the booster, and get that 75% infection protection back up, but also no reason to spread stupid mistruths that vaccines have failed, immunity returns to unvaccinated in 3 months, or any of that garbage. I was well protected before the booster and are even more well protected now. Sounds about right, yes.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Sure, I got it without any paranoid or hyperbolic belief about what it would do. Might as well get the best protection available. But I don't hold the incorrect belief that I got a booster because my protection had dropped to zero. As far as I can tell in my age group, without any immunocompromising conditions that pre-booster I may have dropped from 90 to 75% protection from infection, and going by the graphs seem to have had a risk of hospitalization or death that is too statistically small to show up on the graphs that split people with health issues and without. no reason to NOT get the booster, and get that 75% infection protection back up, but also no reason to spread stupid mistruths that vaccines have failed, immunity returns to unvaccinated in 3 months, or any of that garbage. I was well protected before the booster and are even more well protected now. I’m very happy to hear you got your booster. 
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OOCC has been boosted since at least October. I can see how one might think otherwise because it didn’t slow his crusade against the bandits, but he has mentioned it before. I mean it’s better than the inverse of not getting boosted but also not trolling, but I don’t see the appeal of continuing to care what other people do after admitting to oneself that it’s a good idea.
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Nov 21, 2021 22:00
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Platystemon posted:I don’t see the appeal of continuing to care what other people do after admitting to oneself that it’s a good idea. And yet these threads still exist.
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Everyone should get the booster and spread the word that it's both important and universally available in the US
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