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SteelMentor posted:You don't have to like it but Age of Sigmar has far eclipsed Fantasy Battles as objective fact. If it truly didn't sell as well as LotR then they have the wrong game shoved off to a corner of Forge World. ...in sales. I don't know how to parse that following sentence given the context. Is personal preference important or not? And then I look at the place in this conversation, at the post you're responding to, and... yea, good work exactly double-emphasizing forums-user Terrible Opinions' point.
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Nov 22, 2021 03:47
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TaintedBalance posted:Great Eagles and Hawk Riders are also 110. 100 ground speed is absurd. Players with decent micro will be able to do silly things with this. But that armor for a large SEM. Will be interesting figuring out what you can win against with them and how you'll need to be able to disengage them. Elf archers will MELT them, as will most other massed range. I think they'll melt them if you let them focus on them. I doubt that the Keeper is the only unit with this sort of insane speed and if so then you can tie up pretty much every ranged unit in melee whether they like it or not.
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Nov 22, 2021 03:53
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I'm here to argue about Warhammer
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Nov 22, 2021 04:09
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Don't the other Daemons have damage and missile resist by default as well. Slaanesh Daemons should have that as well. Anyway whatever Keeper has those stats looks scary. Here is the normal Bloodthirster and Lord of Change currently.  
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Nov 22, 2021 04:11
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Is it... normal for AI Grimgor to do Waaaghs with like a five-turn cooldown?
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Nov 22, 2021 04:43
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Bloodthirster isn't a slouch either at 95
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Nov 22, 2021 04:46
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Kazzah posted:Is it... normal for AI Grimgor to do Waaaghs with like a five-turn cooldown? In early Warhams 1 sometimes grimgor would Waaagh in the first couple turns and end a dwarf playthrough right then and there
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Nov 22, 2021 05:04
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Kazzah posted:Is it... normal for AI Grimgor to do Waaaghs with like a five-turn cooldown? The AI gets absolutely stupid bonuses to everything (even on normal), so yes, and welcome, this is your life now. Endless stacks of Black Orcs is all you will see for the next several centuries. It doesn't matter how many you kill, there are always more, and always on the next turn.
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Nov 22, 2021 05:49
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The real hell of it is that I'm Drycha. I only attacked him because I was impatient about getting my forest health up. None of this needed to happen.
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Nov 22, 2021 05:54
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Kazzah posted:The real hell of it is that I'm Drycha. I only attacked him because I was impatient about getting my forest health up. None of this needed to happen. In my experience, Grimgor goes one of three ways: 1. He krumps the stunties within the first few dozen turns, confederates the badlands insanely quickly, and then SPAMS EVERYTHING WITH BLACK ORCS until he finally overextends and gets picked apart by a bigger bully. 2. He krumps the stunties, expands, spams, but never gets checked by anyone else and drowns the world in Black Orcs. 3. He never gains a foothold in the Badlands, meanders around confederating but never quite snowballing, and gets dunked on by a combination of Skaven, Dawi, and/or Tomb Kings, with a spicy Karl or Border Princes option.
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Nov 22, 2021 06:02
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I like it when Grimgor takes over the entire badlands, you beat 1-2 stacks of his and then take 20 undefended provinces before you see the next one.
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Nov 22, 2021 06:13
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Alctel posted:Bloodthirster isn't a slouch either at 95 I'm guessing that's flying speed?
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Nov 22, 2021 06:15
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I like it when Grimgor takes over the entire badlands, you beat 1-2 stacks of his and then take 20 undefended provinces before you see the next one. I loving hate when this happens. I don’t even know why it happens.
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Nov 22, 2021 06:26
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SteelMentor posted:They literally announced new LotR stuff the other day. They've been supporting the game via Specialist Games for years now and basically have the license in perpetuity, scraping up every obscure character they can grab and even getting permission to make their own (super minor) additions. SteelMentor posted:You don't have to like it but Age of Sigmar has far eclipsed Fantasy Battles as objective fact. If it truly didn't sell as well as LotR then they have the wrong game shoved off to a corner of Forge World.
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Nov 22, 2021 06:38
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Terrible Opinions posted:I had been under the impression they dropped in between 2008 and 2012 when the Hobbit stuff came out and that misfired because well the Hobbit films misfired. If that's off, my bad. "I don't like your evidence and will instead continue to be mad"
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Nov 22, 2021 07:18
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i acknowledge sales are the best measure of quality, so im gonna push for monopoly: total war
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Nov 22, 2021 07:27
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FIFA : Total War
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Nov 22, 2021 07:33
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MonsterEnvy posted:Don't the other Daemons have damage and missile resist by default as well. Slaanesh Daemons should have that as well. Anyway whatever Keeper has those stats looks scary. Those are both flying monsters and the first one with 100 speed has that part cut off so is there anything that actually say that’s 100 ground speed or did this thread just run with that
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Nov 22, 2021 07:35
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Warhammer Fantasy with rules updates, the better GW management, and the attention brought to it up Total Warhammer, almost certainly would have sold as well if not better than Age of Sigmar (especially with TW boosting the awareness).
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Nov 22, 2021 07:49
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Mazz posted:Those are both flying monsters and the first one with 100 speed has that part cut off so is there anything that actually say that’s 100 ground speed or did this thread just run with that It's a keeper of secrets, they don't fly.
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Nov 22, 2021 08:05
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Is one of their secrets that they can fly
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Nov 22, 2021 08:12
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Randarkman posted:Warhammer Fantasy with rules updates, the better GW management, and the attention brought to it up Total Warhammer, almost certainly would have sold as well if not better than Age of Sigmar (especially with TW boosting the awareness). I'm not necessarily sure of this, simply because skirmish style wargames (whether large scale ones like 40k or smaller squad-sized ones) seem to be more popular overall than tactical unit maneuver style ones (such as WHFB or any number of wargames based on some historical period or another) in general. This doesn't in any way equate to the quality of a specific game system, just their popularity.
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Nov 22, 2021 08:27
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The aos rules are still bad too, it feels like a wacky beta version of 40k Some cool models though Fantasy rules were also bad
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Nov 22, 2021 09:16
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Alien 3 made more money than Aliens, therefore it is objectively better and more beloved QED. Of course AoS is outselling WHFB. It's got more streamlined rules, it's skirmish instead of blocks, and the armies actually have good sculpts and updated books because GW fixed a lot of its problems in the aftermath of blowing up the Old World. Most importantly, it exists during a general boom in Tabletop Gaming. If they had just revamped WHFB, it would also be selling well.
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Nov 22, 2021 10:27
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Devorum posted:Alien 3 made more money than Aliens, therefore it is objectively better and more beloved QED. They did revamp WHFB and it is selling well.
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Nov 22, 2021 10:45
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This is the dumbest argument
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Nov 22, 2021 11:41
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:This is the dumbest argument Nonono, arguing about tactical maneuvers in tzench vs khorne as ranged vs meele (or whatever the gently caress it was) was the dumbest bloody argument. It's like 1997 and people are whining on the B.net forums about the blurbs they read on this new 'starcraft' game. Except its 2021 and people are whining about the blurbs they've read about this TW3 game...
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Nov 22, 2021 12:04
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Can't wait to see Ku'gath with his 110 speed nurgling recliner.
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Nov 22, 2021 12:26
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Terrible Opinions posted:I don't have any problem with admitting AoS sells more than Fantasy did. Hell it even does a lot of stuff I'd have liked to see in Fantasy minus the new setting. It's just that using the sales numbers as a response when someone says they don't like AoS is incredibly tiring. Much in the same way that people championing 5th edition D&D talking about sales numbers are tiring. What's even more tiring is strawmen. The claim wasn't "I don't like Age of Sigmar" - it was "people still don't care about Age of Sigmar". A statement that is either utterly fatuous (there are some people who don't care about just about anything else you could name including Sportsball) or false (there are definitely people who do care about AoS). Sales numbers don't establish that AoS is good - but they do establish that people care about it.
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Nov 22, 2021 12:48
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Randarkman posted:Warhammer Fantasy with rules updates, the better GW management, and the attention brought to it up Total Warhammer, almost certainly would have sold as well if not better than Age of Sigmar (especially with TW boosting the awareness). Man I loved tabletop Fantasy and played it for a decade but I feel like you'd need a lot more than "rules updates" to make it appealing to a large audience. Ranked block mini games are EXTREMELY painful to buy and assemble armies for at the scale where WHFB was played, especially the 8th edition rules that put a heavy emphasis on gigantic unit sizes. Anyone who played goblins or skaven is a haunted husk from buying and painting gazillions of models that cost almost no points and are basically just glorified wound counters.
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Nov 22, 2021 13:11
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Whenever people say they miss WHFB I always assume they mean the setting and not the lovely tabletop rules.
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Nov 22, 2021 13:36
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rules were meant to be broken, like a flimsy spearman model in a child's overenthusiastic hands
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Nov 22, 2021 13:58
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So much fun laboriously painting sixty spearmen and forty archers only for them all to get wiped out in the first three turns
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Nov 22, 2021 14:09
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There were enough fans of the old game to make 9th Age a thing. Though since those books are free, they can't produce sales and it's therefore impossible to say if the game is good or bad. WHFB wasn't really my thing, but outside of really small-scale stuff like Kill-Team or Star Wars X-Wing tabletop wargaming isn't really my thing either. I just like painting the little mans.
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Nov 22, 2021 14:13
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I become increasingly excited for Warhammer 3 with each trailer and screenshot. They're taking the absurd and badass aspects of Warhammer and giving it love. My favorite part has always been the sync kills. I think it really brings a battle to life when Gobbla can devour a Clan Angrund ancestor whole hog. Cathay and Kislev are going to be fun but the Ogres and Daemons are going to be great.
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Nov 22, 2021 15:35
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the best synch kill is a Slann telepathically tying a hydra into a knot imo
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Nov 22, 2021 15:51
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Today’s announcement is that the first game is now on the Epic Games Store 75% off with 50% off dlc. Game 2 isn’t there yet. https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/total-war-warhammer I guess those of us with the games already will just have to go with our thirst for updates unslaked.
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Nov 22, 2021 16:12
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Downloaded 120 mods and now my game crashes everytime I captured a specific Orc settlement. It's like Skyrim modding all over again. Real Cool Catfish posted:FIFA : Total War Bloodbowl is pretty great yeah!
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Nov 22, 2021 16:28
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orangelex44 posted:"I don't like your evidence and will instead continue to be mad" Sales is evidence of popularity not objective quality. I mean you could argue it's evidence of objective quality but I don't think you'd like how easily it is to extend that argument to a lot of unseemly poo poo so lets just skip the part where we do that and then have to make people backpedal with hypotheticals.
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