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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Luke/Sabine/3 mandos is an awful lot of points and mandos generally prefer to skirmish- plus Sabine really likes having a commander that can take Vigilance. I'm not the biggest fan of Rebel veterans but they're irl cost effective since they come with both the troopers and an emplacement so you get two units for the price of one; I'd probably pick up a box of Rebel specialists for the generic officer as well. 2x vets/turrets, Sabine, officer, clan wren and 2 generic mandos is a pretty decent list. You might also want Lando, he comes with the excellent Vigilance upgrade and pairs well with Sabine and a lot of other heroes, including Luke.

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hoiyes
May 17, 2007
If you're playing Rebel, especially Mandos, then Cassian and K2SO are simply excellent choices for command slot. You probably still want a Rebel officer in there.

Edit: this is a really fun and flexible list, no jedi, but Sabine can psuedo fight like one with the darksaber.

Commanders:
- Cassian Andor (90): Offensive Push (4), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), A280-CFE Config (10) = 108
- Rebel Officer (45): Vigilance (5), Portable Scanner (6) = 56
Operative:
- K-2SO (70): Comms Jammer (5), Jyn's SE-14 Blaster (10) = 85
- Sabine Wren (125): Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), Electro Grappling Line (5), The Darksaber (15) = 149
Corps:
- 3× Rebel Troopers (40) = 120
Special Forces:
- Clan Wren (34): Tristan Wren (38), Ursa Wren (38), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2) = 114
- Mandalorian Resistance (72): Beskad Duelist (28), Offensive Push (4), Recon Intel (2), Jetpack Rockets (8) = 114
- Commando Strike Team (20): DH-447 Sniper (28) = 48

From the core you'd need only a few extra boxes. 1 of Cassian, Specialists, Sabine, Mandos (one box gives both squads), Commandos, Rebel Trooper Upgrade.

hoiyes fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 17, 2021

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

hoiyes posted:

If you're playing Rebel, especially Mandos, then Cassian and K2SO are simply excellent choices for command slot. You probably still want a Rebel officer in there.

Edit: this is a really fun and flexible list, no jedi, but Sabine can psuedo fight like one with the darksaber.

Commanders:
- Cassian Andor (90): Offensive Push (4), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), A280-CFE Config (10) = 108
- Rebel Officer (45): Vigilance (5), Portable Scanner (6) = 56
Operative:
- K-2SO (70): Comms Jammer (5), Jyn's SE-14 Blaster (10) = 85
- Sabine Wren (125): Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), Electro Grappling Line (5), The Darksaber (15) = 149
Corps:
- 3× Rebel Troopers (40) = 120
Special Forces:
- Clan Wren (34): Tristan Wren (38), Ursa Wren (38), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2) = 114
- Mandalorian Resistance (72): Beskad Duelist (28), Offensive Push (4), Recon Intel (2), Jetpack Rockets (8) = 114
- Commando Strike Team (20): DH-447 Sniper (28) = 48

From the core you'd need only a few extra boxes. 1 of Cassian, Specialists, Sabine, Mandos (one box gives both squads), Commandos, Rebel Trooper Upgrade.

Okay, is there one you'd suggest with Jedi? Which I assume is just Skywalker...

hoiyes
May 17, 2007
Yeah just drop Cassian and K2SO for Luke with force push and force reflexes and emergency Stims. The main issue with that list is trying to get orders on your key pieces so you can time when they activate.

Edit you probably have enough left over for a medbot on those troopers too

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Commander Luke isn't super great but he's a good fit for Cassian. (Operative Luke is fantastic but he's a separate purchase)

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797/800 (9 activations)
Commanders:
 - Cassian Andor (90): Offensive Push (4), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), A280-CFE Config (10) = 108
 - Luke Skywalker (160): Force Push (10), Jedi Mind Trick (5), Emergency Stims (8) = 183
Operative:
 - K-2SO (70): Jyn's SE-14 Blaster (10) = 80
Corps:
 - 2× Rebel Troopers (40): Z-6 Trooper (20) = 120
 - Rebel Troopers (40): Z-6 Trooper (20), Medical Droid (18) = 78
Special Forces:
 - 2× Commando Strike Team (20): DH-447 Sniper (28) = 96
 - Clan Wren (34): Tristan Wren (38), Ursa Wren (38), Offensive Push (4), HQ Uplink (10), Jetpack Rockets (8) = 132

Commands: • Son of Skywalker, • Crack Shot, •• My Ally is the Force, •• Last Stand, ••• Return of the Jedi, ••• Volunteer Mission, •••• Standing Orders

Something like this is basically the same stuff as listed above, technically you'd need a second box of commandos but you cam proxy pretty easily.

E: whoops that's only 9 activations and you probably want 10, so maybe toss in another box of troopers. (A second core set probably isnt a bad idea if you're splitting it, since both of you will need the cards, tokens, etc)

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Nov 18, 2021

Gumdrop Larry
Jul 30, 2006

Operative Luke is ridiculously fun though. His array of keywords and command cards make him a murder pinball.

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

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GreenBuckanneer posted:

So lets say I go rebels, and go halvsies on the core box, and buy the max amount of Clan Wren, and a coworker goes for Imperial, what else would I need for a “full” team?

I would just assume to get whatever might be fun for an 800pt setup (which seems like a lot less units than something like GW overall for such a high # of points)

I guess I’d go for luke then for the jedi, I skimmed the others and it looks like there’s not much jedi

Legion is a smaller model count than 40k and because of that I'd say it has tighter list building. Even if you do have a list with lots of units, those units are probably 3-5 models. You don't just chuck everything cool onto the table, you are looking for synergies and what a unit is bringing to the list. You want both Vader and Palpatine in the same list? Prepare to fill up on basic Stormtrooper squads without upgrades, and put the AT-ST back on the shelf!

Personally I think it's a sign of good design if you have to pick and choose, which means you aren't going to see the same thing over and over again. It also means you probably aren't playing the exact same list every time, so the game won't get so stale for you.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

Gumdrop Larry posted:

Operative Luke is ridiculously fun though. His array of keywords and command cards make him a murder pinball.

His model looks nice too, I'd consider buying it.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

This game has turned me into a monster and I've decided to get into painting these figures. Does anyone have a recommendation about decent paint sets that they've used? specifically for the core set of imperials and the imperials expansion. I was looking at just buying the paint sets from the Fantasy flight games but I've read that citadel color is better?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

There's three main brands people use. Army Painter makes the official Legion stuff, I've only used their primers but I know some people say they're lower quality. I use Vallejo most of the time, it's cheap and I like the more muted WW2 colors. Citadel/Games Workshop is the most expensive but their stuff is pretty good, though their pots suck. Citadel is usually carried in stores ime, and right now Vallejo seems to be having trouble with shipping. In general you'll need not only the base paints but also primer (usually spray on) to form a bottom layer, and probably washes (very thin, almost watery paints) to provide easy shading. Varnish is also good for protecting the mini (matte usually but maybe gloss for the shiny armor.)

For Imperials you can kinda get away with just white, black, red, grey and a bit of skin tone for most stuff, I usually buy stuff piecemeal as I need it. The trickiest thing is painting white since it's hard to apply and easy to mess up. Personally what I do for storms is prime them in white and give them a thinned coat of apocathary white contrast paint (a new line from Citadel that's basically base and wash in one), which gives you a clean white look with grey shading.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



If you don't mind spending a few bucks contrast paints are M A G I C for getting stuff to a tabletop standard easily. contrast white is incredible for storm/clonemans.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The way I paint white stuff is I spray them white, give them a ridiculously heavy wash with GW's black shade, spray them white again but very lightly, and then drybrush white over that. I've not done stormtroopers yet, but here's how it looks on a mech of approximate size.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

alright cool. my local comic/game shop I believe actually has a decent selection of citadel paints, I'll probably see what colors are used in the fantasy flight specific paint and try to just grab what I need.

I'm not artistic at all, these will probably turn out horrible but they can be the disaster im proud of I suppose.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

Commander Luke isn't super great but he's a good fit for Cassian. (Operative Luke is fantastic but he's a separate purchase)

code:
Untitled
797/800 (9 activations)
Commanders:
 - Cassian Andor (90): Offensive Push (4), Situational Awareness (2), Recon Intel (2), A280-CFE Config (10) = 108
 - Luke Skywalker (160): Force Push (10), Jedi Mind Trick (5), Emergency Stims (8) = 183
Operative:
 - K-2SO (70): Jyn's SE-14 Blaster (10) = 80
Corps:
 - 2× Rebel Troopers (40): Z-6 Trooper (20) = 120
 - Rebel Troopers (40): Z-6 Trooper (20), Medical Droid (18) = 78
Special Forces:
 - 2× Commando Strike Team (20): DH-447 Sniper (28) = 96
 - Clan Wren (34): Tristan Wren (38), Ursa Wren (38), Offensive Push (4), HQ Uplink (10), Jetpack Rockets (8) = 132

Commands: • Son of Skywalker, • Crack Shot, •• My Ally is the Force, •• Last Stand, ••• Return of the Jedi, ••• Volunteer Mission, •••• Standing Orders
Something like this is basically the same stuff as listed above, technically you'd need a second box of commandos but you cam proxy pretty easily.

E: whoops that's only 9 activations and you probably want 10, so maybe toss in another box of troopers. (A second core set probably isnt a bad idea if you're splitting it, since both of you will need the cards, tokens, etc)

So I'm picking the cheapest stuff to work on while I work my way up to the core set (I also already have plenty of models to work on as it is, so buying a few models instead of a bunch at a low cost seemed like it made sense to me) and picked up

Rebel Troopers
Cassian & K-2SO
Rebel Troopers Upgrade
Sabine Wren

My question is on the Reben Troopers Upgrade, does it matter how I build the SX-21 or the DLT-20A trooper?

hoiyes
May 17, 2007
Yeah, heavy weapons are generally the only thing that must be represented on the model. But you can do arm/head) swaps if you want (though it's pretty hard with the old soft plastic kits which are made to fit only certain ways.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah I did a bunch of kitbashing with the rebel troopers but all that really matters is that somebody's got the long rifle and somebody's got the shotgun. I usually like to give them as well as the specialist and leader minis slightly different coloring as well

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

My imperial troops ran into a bunch of angry, furry beasts. One was holding a bomb.

I did not win this melee round.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
Wookie suicide bomber melee sounds metal as gently caress

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Nice and hot piss posted:

my plan is to just shout "UNLIMITED POWEERRR" every time I cast force lightning

This guy gets it.

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


Finished my Cad Bane.


Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



That’s a nice hat.

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

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Good colour scheme too!

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

Anyone have good recommendations of a solid commander/operative combination that doesn't absolutely destroy your point count for the galactic empire?
Going palpatine/vader is nearly half of your points allocation with two units, along with having imperial guards to stick close to palpatine to provide a bit of support for his fragile rear end, and vader being amazing in some ways, but not others. I'm fully aware that the imperial troops are some of, if not the most expensive units in the game but I feel like my units are so brittle in comparison to the theorycrafting I come up with in my head with the other factions.

My last round I rolled with palpatine and Boba Fett, which worked out super well given the mission was to sabotage the enemy's base, but getting more than 7 activations (had 8) required limiting a few of my units to being straight up barebone troopers. poo poo, if I wanted to go just as an imperial officer that's 45 points for a commander, albeit worthless in comparison to every other commander at my disposal.

I'm considering trying out Krennic and having Vader as my operative, allowing me to throw a bunch more fodder/beefed up troops to not get overwhelmed by a ton of enemies.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Nice and hot piss posted:

Anyone have good recommendations of a solid commander/operative combination that doesn't absolutely destroy your point count for the galactic empire?
Going palpatine/vader is nearly half of your points allocation with two units, along with having imperial guards to stick close to palpatine to provide a bit of support for his fragile rear end, and vader being amazing in some ways, but not others. I'm fully aware that the imperial troops are some of, if not the most expensive units in the game but I feel like my units are so brittle in comparison to the theorycrafting I come up with in my head with the other factions.

My last round I rolled with palpatine and Boba Fett, which worked out super well given the mission was to sabotage the enemy's base, but getting more than 7 activations (had 8) required limiting a few of my units to being straight up barebone troopers. poo poo, if I wanted to go just as an imperial officer that's 45 points for a commander, albeit worthless in comparison to every other commander at my disposal.

I'm considering trying out Krennic and having Vader as my operative, allowing me to throw a bunch more fodder/beefed up troops to not get overwhelmed by a ton of enemies.

Palps and Vader are two of the most expensive heroes in the game so that's not surprising; they probably both work best on their own. Kallus works well with most other commanders with his contingencies, especially ones that have situational or weak command cards- he might fit with Vader though probably a bit less so now that Vader's cards got errata and are almost all very good. Bossk/Boba is popular, sometimes with Kallus as well. Veers is basically just paying a bit too much for an officer so he can fit anywhere, Krennic might also work with Vader purely for Deploy the Garrison.

vvv: it'll be fun the first time you catch someone out with a recon intel move-claim-move on the center box! I do feel like Iden/Vader might be a problem given that you've got 3 nutty 3-pips in there, and the one Iden brings also wants you to blow points on your special forces

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Nov 30, 2021

hoiyes
May 17, 2007
Iden/Vader

Officer/Vader

Palpatine/Bossk

Vader/Boba (for New Ways objective jank, not reccomended)

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

Alright cool. I noticed my first game that crafting something without trying it out is a massive difference in terms of actual gameplay than what I expect. I'll try a few of these out and give em a shot. thanks!

hoiyes
May 17, 2007

Nice and hot piss posted:

Alright cool. I noticed my first game that crafting something without trying it out is a massive difference in terms of actual gameplay than what I expect. I'll try a few of these out and give em a shot. thanks!
Yep, that's a definite part of the learning curve. Also, don't write anything off first time round. Some combos take a while for the penny to drop and/or it might have just been a bad match up.

Also, aim for 9 activations minimum, unless you're doing some weird Saber tank Yoda jank

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND'S PROPOSED TRANS LEGISLATION IS DIVISIVE AS HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO SWEEPING THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABUSED AT A TIME WHERE THE LACK OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN HAS BEEN SO GLARING
What about using a force commander like Governor Price then rolling double operatives? Obviously only works if you want to use a vehicle.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Krennic/Iden* sounds like it could be fun, at first glance.

*she can become an operative and gain infiltrate, alongside an inferno squad :getin:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Icon Of Sin posted:

Krennic/Iden* sounds like it could be fun, at first glance.

*she can become an operative and gain infiltrate, alongside an inferno squad :getin:

yeah you can fit iden, krennic, inferno, deaths, 2 ISF and enough naked troopers to make 10 acts for your 4 SF tactical strike. i'm not sure it's a good idea but it's definitely a funny one

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

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StashAugustine posted:

and enough naked troopers

I immediately pictured stormtroopers wearing nothing but thongs and their helmets. No, not those helmets!

Welcome to my brain.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Those are called "Beach Troopers" in the LEGO games :pseudo:

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



https://youtu.be/z1U2BZrqlWA

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND'S PROPOSED TRANS LEGISLATION IS DIVISIVE AS HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO SWEEPING THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABUSED AT A TIME WHERE THE LACK OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN HAS BEEN SO GLARING

Arquinsiel posted:

Those are called "Beach Troopers" in the LEGO games :pseudo:

This makes sense meets my expectations.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
You should see the little paddling pools they have setup for themselves so.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

StashAugustine posted:

yeah you can fit iden, krennic, inferno, deaths, 2 ISF and enough naked troopers to make 10 acts for your 4 SF tactical strike. i'm not sure it's a good idea but it's definitely a funny one

Sounds like it would be entertaining at the least. I still need to purchase a few more of the expansions to actually be able to do that.

poo poo, I honestly need to just buckle down and start painting. It was annoying going "wait..which troopers are these? are these stormtroopers? Or are these my shoretroopers? mother gently caress"

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Nice and hot piss posted:

Sounds like it would be entertaining at the least. I still need to purchase a few more of the expansions to actually be able to do that.

poo poo, I honestly need to just buckle down and start painting. It was annoying going "wait..which troopers are these? are these stormtroopers? Or are these my shoretroopers? mother gently caress"

I think I used either Zandri Dust, or something close to it? for my shores.



My stormies were just straight white.



And my snowies were primed white, with a light Celeste Grey over it (with a few tans thrown in for good measure).



Mandalorian/Sabine:





My phase II’s were done with a white primer, and Ushabti bone.



My thought was to try and link them all together at least a little bit via the paint schemes, since the lineage runs mandalorians->clones->stormtroopers->other troopers.

Boba, for shits and giggles:

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

Very nice. I'm going to do my first figurine painting on some basic stormtroopers here soon, try and get into some texturing/shading with them, followed by my AT-ST. My signature pieces like boba fett and vader I'd rather wait after I get some experience painting so I don't absolutely botch the gently caress out of them.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I really hate painting stormtroopers since it's just getting a plain white surface (spray primer helps) and then doing a bunch of finicky details on the face which I inevitably gently caress up and make them look like clowns; and the paint scheme isn't even interesting visually or technically

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Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

StashAugustine posted:

I really hate painting stormtroopers since it's just getting a plain white surface (spray primer helps) and then doing a bunch of finicky details on the face which I inevitably gently caress up and make them look like clowns; and the paint scheme isn't even interesting visually or technically

Oh, mine will not turn out well, but they'll have the concept of being stormtrooper like.

Sort of like if the imperial army was on a budget crunch and went with the lowest bidder for armor...which happened to be Skilcraft

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