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vicky's also a game where you're legitimately limited in what you can do in a semi-realistic way. there is abstraction, but there are no abstract abstractions like monarch points, culture conversion, spending prestige or piety on discrete benefits like you went to the store and spent your religiousness on a new pair of shoes, etc.. you aren't an absolute ruler unless your government type actually says that you are; a republic is actually swayed and constrained by the will of the people, or the upper class, or whoever holds genuine power, although in turn you have tools to leverage to sway them. you have physical goods which are produced and consumed, and they follow rules in how they are distributed that you often have little control over. war is a tool to obtain advantages in peace, instead of peacetime improvements being tools to obtain advantages in war. in short, you are not the "spirit of the nation", you're just the schlub at the steering wheel
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ThaumPenguin posted:Build up a navy; if you're lucky you can trick Spain into landing their whole army on a little island somewhere. Set up warships around it and they can't leave. Then start occupying everything else. France is basically permanently occupied. I ended up taking Borneo, Philippines off of UK and friends. Released phillipines to reduce infamy (infamy is a pain in the rear end) Then tried to ally germany, but a crisis over korea came up. UK, Germany sided against me. I pretty much spanked UK and friends anytime they showed up at my door. I have the best navy, but then when this war started I realized it was a continuation of the ongoing great war. I am now -100 warscore because germany and has occupied all of AusriaHungary, France, Spain, Italy, and basically all of Africa. Have no clue why this war is even still ongoing. I am contemplating dropping armies in Britain, I'm a little nervous about trying to move troops that far. Its 1928 so I assume the game is about to end. Probably not worth it. Also, I now understand why Vicky people are pro -not microing your army. It's quite tedious. Other Paradox games never had this feeling for me though. Also, I wanted to be fascist Imperial japan, but I have no clue how politics in this game is actually meant to be managed, no matter what I do the government keeps becoming more liberal, more communist. I actually started promoting fascism in the capital lol, but its no use. SnoochtotheNooch fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Jazerus posted:vicky's also a game where you're legitimately limited in what you can do in a semi-realistic way. there is abstraction, but there are no abstract abstractions like monarch points, culture conversion, spending prestige or piety on discrete benefits like you went to the store and spent your religiousness on a new pair of shoes, etc.. sliders, tax rate adjustments, focuses, prestige, war score, infamy, the press-your-luck system for the scramble for africa, research. there's a lot of really obviously artificial game constructs in vicky 2 alone.
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POPs in V2 are most likely to turn fascist if their country's cores are owned by a foreign power. If you want to become fascist you have to lose some wars, I guess.
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That is something I simply cannot allow to happen.
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Play V3: Because you feel bad about the way society is going now and want to fantasize about alt-history and immerse yourself in a world where we got fully automated luxury communism by 1930.
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Yeah if you want to stay fascist/conservative in V2 it requires a different mentality. If you recklessly research everything and build up your industry, it makes it a whole lot harder cause turns out workers are much harder to keep happy and ignorant than farmers. You can push it through election stress over a long enough period or through losing core territory...outside of that your best bet is provoking a fascist revolt and letting it win.
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Just make sure to let them open as many soup clinics as possible. Dunno why fascists are putting aphrodesiacs in them, but it works
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If you want to be the forces of reaction in Victoria you are allowed either industrialization or elections, never both.
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Zeron posted:Yeah if you want to stay fascist/conservative in V2 it requires a different mentality. If you recklessly research everything and build up your industry, it makes it a whole lot harder cause turns out workers are much harder to keep happy and ignorant than farmers. Unless they drastically changed it between games, this seems like good advice for conversatism, but awful advice for fascism. In Ricky I don't think the latter triggers at all before halfway through the game, and clerks and craftsmen seem more susceptible to it than farmers, which is historically accurate. Your best bet for fascism is probably to build up moderate amounts of industry and then lose a war
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karmicknight posted:If you want to be the forces of reaction in Victoria you are allowed either industrialization or elections, never both. one dead jacobin is a tragedy, a million is a tuesday-this post made my itoh playing prussia gang.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:one dead jacobin is a tragedy, a million is a tuesday-this post made my itoh playing prussia gang. should have called it "a sunday (tonight) at 8 pm GMT when MapGoons Sunday Vicky 2 returns to the earth"
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Phlegmish posted:Unless they drastically changed it between games, this seems like good advice for conversatism, but awful advice for fascism. In Ricky I don't think the latter triggers at all before halfway through the game, and clerks and craftsmen seem more susceptible to it than farmers, which is historically accurate. Yeah iirc fascism in V2 basically never gains any foothold unless your country has cores owned by another country.
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Cease to Hope posted:sliders, tax rate adjustments, focuses, prestige, war score, infamy, the press-your-luck system for the scramble for africa, research. there's a lot of really obviously artificial game constructs in vicky 2 alone. there are, never said there weren't! but they are not "spend intangible currency for tangible benefits", which i feel is a much higher level of abstraction than tax sliders or warscore you're closer to the metal in v2 than you are in ck2, even if you're not quite touching it with your bare hands
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DrSunshine posted:Play V3: Yeah this is me. I want to build a history where Rosa Luxemburg wasn't killed by proto-fascists in 1919 because germany was already a socialist project and she was too busy being an important minister to be murdered.
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:if you really want to succumb to the sickness install ricky and get to pop splitting VIP is definitely still up, I downloaded it yesterday. Don't pop split though! It is tedious and the ai doesn't do it.
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You know that CK3 mod that lets you play battles in Mount & Blade? There should be a V3 mod that lets you pull up any train in a train simulator and ride/drive it.
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Jazerus posted:there are, never said there weren't! but they are not "spend intangible currency for tangible benefits", which i feel is a much higher level of abstraction than tax sliders or warscore focuses, influence, colonization, and research are all spending intangible currency for tangible benefits you're trying to say that vicky 2 doesn't have mana, i get it, i just disagree
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Cease to Hope posted:focuses, influence, colonization, and research are all spending intangible currency for tangible benefits you think focuses are a currency?
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Cease to Hope posted:focuses, influence, colonization, and research are all spending intangible currency for tangible benefits none of these are multi-purpose or meant to represent anything other than a direct abstraction of a complicated real-world thing. focuses representing limits on bureaucratic capacity (since you can't just slam down a focus everywhere unless you are a small country), influence being the tendrils you're snaking into another nation to control them, colonization...doesn't really make sense either way since the whole system is blatantly ahistorical, and research is pretty gamey but you can only spend research points on research and it's basically a universal abstraction in strategy games so whatever. in none of these cases are you building up a currency and then spending it; colonizing and research might seem that way, but the "points" for those are just progress bars. your definition of mana is overly expansive imo. like even in games with mana like eu4, there are a lot of quantities that you build up and lose that aren't mana. army tradition for example is an abstraction for the cohesion and ability of your officers. sometimes you "spend" it in events that are like "your nobles think peasants are smelly. do you: A. kick all the smelly peasants out, -5000 manpower, or B. tell the duke and his boys to take a hike, -10 army tradition" but it's still a quantity that's reflective of a single "thing". this is very different from monarch points or CK2 prestige/piety where you build up vague points not reflective of anything in particular and then transform them into material benefits only decided upon at the point of purchase. you might spend that 500 mil on generals, or legitimacy, or tech, or lots of other things that are not logically related or mutually exclusive quantities Jazerus fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Jazerus posted:none of these are multi-purpose or meant to represent anything other than a direct abstraction of a complicated real-world thing. seems like a refutation of Jazerus posted:there are no abstract abstractions like monarch points, culture conversion, spending prestige or piety on discrete benefits like you went to the store and spent your religiousness on a new pair of shoes, etc. i get that the abstractions that it has don't bother you, but that seems different from arguing that it isn't full of arbitrary abstraction for the sake of being a functioning game. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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It's not a refutation you just don't like the word choice used to describe the concept, completely separate from the merits of the concept itself.
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I'm stealing this
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Bold (but correct?) to claim that time is not a real concept
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reignonyourparade posted:It's not a refutation you just don't like the word choice used to describe the concept, completely separate from the merits of the concept itself. I'm saying that you've qualified your statements in such a way that they're meaningless. Any counterexamples don't count because you don't want them to count. yikes! posted:you think focuses are a currency? That's fair. They are completely unreal, abstract resources, though.
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I guess I'm a true nuetral on this issue.
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Cease to Hope posted:I'm saying that you've qualified your statements in such a way that they're meaningless. Any counterexamples don't count because you don't want them to count. That wasn't me, but nah, no he didn't.
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https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1463522798811455498
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I want to organize my army by lottery. You buy a ticket and the guaranteed prize is your new job in the military/navy. If you're lucky you'll become a well paid and prestigious general or maybe a cushy position as an officer but most will receive the tormenti pabulum infantry or sailor. Just think of what a great general you'd be, set up for life. Better odds than the usual lotteries!
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Poil posted:I want to organize my army by lottery. You buy a ticket and the guaranteed prize is your new job in the military/navy. If you're lucky you'll become a well paid and prestigious general or maybe a cushy position as an officer but most will receive the tormenti pabulum infantry or sailor. Just think of what a great general you'd be, set up for life. Better odds than the usual lotteries!
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War, what is it good for?
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Mans posted:War, what is it good for? Dev diaries https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1463915635470004224?t=7L3gkSeEr2kIVHLKgt0K4w&s=19
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ThaumPenguin posted:Dev diaries I wonder if there will be the equivalent of a "Raze/Pillage" order for Generals to intentionally inflict maximum Devastation on provinces/states, to simulate something like Sherman's March to the Sea.
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I wonder if there's resistance to conscription among unhappy pops or non-accepted-culture pops (who presumably do not speak the same language as recruiters).
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I like the visual devastation, be a nice touch for those late game trench wars
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Pops leaving the factories to die for the Queen's tea profits, national militias to democratize the armed forces, and war profiteering. Even has hints of The Opium War by pointing out that you pops can get addicted to it in peace time. The perfect diary.
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Quixzlizx posted:I wonder if there will be the equivalent of a "Raze/Pillage" order for Generals to intentionally inflict maximum Devastation on provinces/states, to simulate something like Sherman's March to the Sea. While that should be a thing, fuckin' L oh L if you think what Sherman did in Georgia even approaches maximum devastation.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Everything I’ve heard about war sounds good so far. I like that you have different strategies for your army, although I question the difference between Mass Conscription as an army policy vs just conscripting during wartime, as they state that’s a separate option you can do regardless of your policy.
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I think it's just a name thing. It's just the step above National Militia where you still conscript people, but you can also have a big standing army if you want. And then it sounds like Regular Army puts more prestige on the standing army to encourage you to make it bigger and maybe restricts conscription a bit more? I do like that National Militia seems like it lets you pretty much step out of the military game while still being reasonably buff if you don't plan to do conquering. It seems like an interesting/very profitable playstyle would revolve around just becoming a huge arms manufacturer and trying to push countries into wars at every opportunity. If you do it as a big country you could even get into an arms race where you force your neighbors to arm up to match you..while profiting off them the entire time.
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