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fnox posted:So uh what the gently caress just happened? And what happens now? Do they have to elect a new prime minister? Best case, the king steps in and tells them he's gonna take over for a while. Realistically, you're getting a center coalition based on the budget coalition.
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BonHair posted:Best case, the king steps in and tells them he's gonna take over for a while. Realistically, you're getting a center coalition based on the budget coalition. that was my first thought: the center party sabotaging the coalition to dump the lefter parties right out of the gate
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i say swears online posted:that was my first thought: the center party sabotaging the coalition to dump the lefter parties right out of the gate Wait so who are they gonna push forward as PM? Annie Lööf?
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BigglesSWE posted:My dad called Kristersson “Dvärgen” yesterday and I've never been prouder of his boomer rear end.
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The shittiest part is that centrists always have two options for coalitions, going with either the left or the right. Usually they do exactly what just happened in Sweden, but over the course of more than 7 hours: government supported by "their side", legislation across the middle. On the other hand, the leftists (and the righties) only have one option (the socdems) if they want to do anything. Which means the socdems have options rhyme the left doesn't, which means they get to decide. See how Ø is much bigger than S in Copenhagen, but S still gets the big boy mayor title. Which kinda reminds me, I'm looking forward to DF melting down over failing at local elections. Hopefully we get at least 3 new racist parties to split the vote, and possibly a pro-welfare populist party even? Or I guess just Martin Henriksen in charge, or Messerschmidt.
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C, V and MP have all confirmed they're still OK with Andersson as prime minister, so it seems like this whole circus will just lead to her getting elected again next week, although with with the right-wing budget and without the MP cabinet members (which doesn't really matter, they didn't have any of the important minister posts). e: as a clarification, the prime minister election is a bit weird in that it's "backwards" - to get elected, you don't need a majority in favor, you just need to not have an absolute majority against you. That is, the speaker of the riksdag motions to elect a prime minister candidate, and the motion passes unless more than half of the chamber votes no (so an absolute majority - you need 175 votes to block the motion). In this case if Andersson is up for election again MP, V, and C would be abstaining and KD, SD and M would be voting no, but they don't have more than 50% of the seats on their own so they can't block her. MP, S, V and C together though have enough votes to block Kristersson as a candidate, and I don't see any other possibilities right now. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Nov 24, 2021 |
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TheFluff posted:C, V and MP have all confirmed they're still OK with Andersson as prime minister, so it seems like this whole circus will just lead to her getting elected again next week, although with with the right-wing budget and without the MP cabinet members (which doesn't really matter, they didn't have any of the important minister posts). Yeah she’ll get the position back, but she’ll have a (in theory) weakened government and saddled with a budget made by the opposition. It will be very hard for S to get any complicated deal through the ringer with C being the anti-V maniacs they are. Next year is election year so that's all that's gonna happen next year: C or V (or maybe MP) stonewall anything S wants to do because someone they don't like might like it, the right will make smug comments and throw all the money to plaster “LESS CRIME” voting slogans everywhere, and as soon as Kristersson gets elected PM next year, marknadshyror will suddenly be a thing again because M has had a long time of not loving over poor people they have to make up on.
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In other "the ring wing are loving ghouls" news, former medical doctor and current "Welfare Spokesperson" at free-market think tank and influential policy makers Timbro tweeted-and-deleted the following yesterday, after V managed to push through increased raised pension levels. "Oh you didn't earn enough to have a pension? loving parasite"
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BonHair posted:Which kinda reminds me, I'm looking forward to DF melting down over failing at local elections. Hopefully we get at least 3 new racist parties to split the vote, and possibly a pro-welfare populist party even? Messerschmidt is going to lose his case and be (technically) unable to lead anything while he is (temporarily) ineligible to run for office. The next leader of DF is going to be Støjberg who is going to get away with a suspended sentence in her trial and will get to keep her eligibility because of some ridiculous ratfuckery.
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BigglesSWE posted:Yeah she’ll get the position back, but she’ll have a (in theory) weakened government and saddled with a budget made by the opposition. It will be very hard for S to get any complicated deal through the ringer with C being the anti-V maniacs they are. Well the bright side is thah it’s not really an opposition budget like the last time, but afaik mostly a carbon copy of the proposed budget with 10 of 74 billion SEK for new stuff scribbled over, with a big ”spend this money on making gasline cheaper and find some ways to gently caress over immigrants and poors because lol we are literally proud of being on the wrong side of history, always” because of course. gently caress the Dwarf and his cronies, but in this case it helps that they are god drat lazy and didn’t do the job of actually doing a full budget, and instead just inserting a bunch of stupid red meat issues. It’s bad, but could be much worse.
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Stalins Moustache posted:Okay so can someone summarize what the gently caress is going on over across the border in Sweden? if we started insisting that politicians could never disagree with consultancy reports we would have a very easily managed and utterly dysfunctional public discourse. most of the objections to the report have been basically rational, in that it's taking rather maximalist solutions to tilt the final evaluation in favour of the "daylight solution". the critics have also been specific about where they think the report is being overly maximalist and why they think this makes it OK to conclude in opposition to it. the issue is just so inflamed that everyone's simply incredibly angry and want to take it out on someone. one can of course say that the politicians making these objections are wrong to do so, but saying "there is a report with a clear recommendation to do A therefore we must do A" is very dangerous reasoning
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i am also impressed by how even getting into government with lots of nice jobs to dangle over people's heads doesn't seem to have made Ap any less dysfunctional. now trond giske is managing to rear his head again. more lives than a bloody cat, that man
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Much like with Ben Shapiro, I don't care a lick about the shortness of Kristersson. But *he* clearly cares so Dwarf it is.
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Bad take but here we are
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The Danish right wing, including S, is just the worst. Roughly 10% of Danish adults can't vote, many due to not being citizens. Citizenship is not automatically conferred if you're born here, so many people born and raised in Denmark aren't citizens. In order to become a citizen, you have to complete a multiple choice test that tests crucial knowledge, like random historical dates, or factoids about the royals. If you fail that test, or have been sentenced to any kind of jailtime or large fine, you get to plead your case to the "Indfødsretsudvalg", which is a small council of politicians who will decide whether you can acquire citizenship. This deliberation is done in secret. Here are quotes from a couple of the members of that council. Marie Krarup posted:Jeg stemmer nej til folk, der kommer fra islamiske lande, fordi jeg formoder, at de bærer den kultur videre. Men jeg vil gerne stemme ja til kristne fra de lande. For der er kristne minoriteter i de lande, og derfor synes jeg, det er for dårligt, at jeg ikke kan få oplysninger om deres religiøse tilhørsforhold. Mette Thiesen posted:(commenting on a guy who was in a fight in the early nineties, and still can't get citizenship because of it) Vi har den holdning, at udlændinge skal udvises konsekvent og efter første dom If you have received a sentence, even if it expires on your criminal record, you will still need to go to this council. Naturally, S doesn't see anything wrong with this. They love that people have to individually go hat in hand to this council, rather than letting criminal records expire at some point. I'm so happy we have a left-wing government.
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V. Illych L. posted:i am also impressed by how even getting into government with lots of nice jobs to dangle over people's heads doesn't seem to have made Ap any less dysfunctional. now trond giske is managing to rear his head again. more lives than a bloody cat, that man He's back?
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You're deluding yourself if you think the rest of the parliamentary left are much different. SF voted for ghetto apartheid laws. EL voted with DF to further restrict where and for how long accompanying spouses can work, massively expand control measures and make Danish bank accounts mandatory, something that can be extremely difficult to obtain for a foreigner.
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So, actually no dental reform then? Seems weird to me. Even if they really really hate poor people, it seems like such a useful big win to be able to point to.
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Randarkman posted:He's back? Yes. Yes he is. It's honestly amazing, and kind of admirable in a dark, morbid, eldritch horror way; His political career just will. Not. Die.
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TLM3101 posted:Yes. Yes he is. It's honestly amazing, and kind of admirable in a dark, morbid, eldritch horror way; His political career just will. Not. Die. Hainn Who Must Not Be Named
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Crespolini posted:So, actually no dental reform then? Seems weird to me. Even if they really really hate poor people, it seems like such a useful big win to be able to point to. Um, actually, if you'll look, you'll see AP has expanded free dental by two years. A groundbreaking reform and totally what was promised during the election. We'll hopefully see some more changes over the next couple of years, but considering how wishy washy they were about making changes to this years budget I have my doubts.
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Cynic Jester posted:Um, actually, if you'll look, you'll see AP has expanded free dental by two years. A groundbreaking reform and totally what was promised during the election. I guess I thought it was a show, and SV were going to be allowed to "negotiate" in something so they'd look good doing it.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Hainn Who Must Not Be Named That e' itj dead which can eternal lie, sjø'.
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Crespolini posted:So, actually no dental reform then? Seems weird to me. Even if they really really hate poor people, it seems like such a useful big win to be able to point to. hm. maybe i spoke too soon. they're talking about some stuff, guess we'll see!
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So SVT has a couple of articles up about abusive honor culture, and some of these cases are genuinely chilling https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/15-procent-av-omhandertagna-barn-ar-hedersutsatta https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/dodshot-strypgrepp-och-piskningar-sa-ser-hedersfortrycket-ut Despite several law changes to make it easier to prosecute family members who do this stuff, few cases have come to court because the victims face tremendous pressure to recant or retract their allegations It's a horrible situation and I'm not sure what the best approach to tackling this even is. Kinda difficult to do anything if the victims don't dare speak out
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McCloud posted:So SVT has a couple of articles up about abusive honor culture, and some of these cases are genuinely chilling In Denmark, the solution would obviously be more racism, since this exclusively happens because of Islam... But ignoring that, I'm guessing a part of the problem, besides the obvious psychological issues, is that it's economically difficult to leave your family. You have no chance of getting an apartment as a young person without either connections (through your parents...), being born rich (lmao) or insane luck, unless you have a job, which your parents probably wouldn't allow you to have. And it's even harder if you want to go somewhere new, which would be recommended. Add to that that you're social network is probably not good either, so you probably don't have anywhere to go. In other words, the solution is more socialism... Also it probably wouldn't hurt if the parents were actually included in mainstream society instead of being otherized at every turn. I bet there's a fair amount of cargo culting social structures that don't make sense in a Scandinavian context, but which the parents didn't fully understand in their original context. Apologies if I have been poisoned by Danish racism and assume that this is related to middle eastern immigrants when it's not. I'm honestly not sure, but if I am, please call me out so I can stop.
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Honour culture is more unique, but conservative parents abusing their children with the implicit support of their community is not in itself novel to scandinavian society. Anywhere social reputation is in high regard, the imagined need to control follows. Problems helping are also the same as with any children being abused by their parents. Typically along the lines of: A: Children feel shame for being abused and internalize the blame B: Children don't want to lose their entire life as they know it C: Children don't want to rat out their parents Which is why typically children only signal when they fear for their lives. Or as with forced marriages, getting kidnapped. In primary education a lot is being done to normalize the idea that none of this is normal at very early ages, to ease barriers to signaling. The problem is that our social welfare institutions are cut to the bone all across the country, which means signals fail to reach their destination and ways out aren't offered in time. The ways out also aren't as frictionless as they need to be, and similarly to adult abuse police do not prioritize policing abusers is as much as they should.
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MiddleOne posted:Honour culture is more unique, but conservative parents abusing their children with the implicit support of their community is not in itself novel to scandinavian society. Anywhere social reputation is in high regard, the imagined need to control follows. Yes if you honestly want to stop abusive honour culture of all kinds, give more resources to pre-schools and schools to make sure that they have more staff, more educated staff, and that they can both teach against and recognize such behaviour. And this applies just as much to any Iraqi parents sending off their kids to be married during Summer break as it does to the bible belt parents abusing their trans kids.
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McCloud posted:Despite several law changes to make it easier to prosecute family members who do this stuff, few cases have come to court because the victims face tremendous pressure to recant or retract their allegations MiddleOne posted:The problem is that our social welfare institutions are cut to the bone all across the country, which means signals fail to reach their destination and ways out aren't offered in time. The ways out also aren't as frictionless as they need to be, and similarly to adult abuse police do not prioritize policing abusers is as much as they should.
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McCloud posted:https://twitter.com/Landgren/status/1468578905472786443?t=xuIUK_0NRn4h8Qa5PXaAwA&s=19 Avgå alla. Igen. Helvete. 
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Potrzebie posted:Avgå alla. Igen. Helvete. A vote for the greens in Stockholm is a vote for this. Keep that in mind people. Tell your libby friends. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Congrats Finland of buying the F-35. I'm sure that won't end up biting you in the rear end, lol.
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they're publishing some downright astonishing numbers that shows a plane that costs literally twice as much money per aircraft to buy and significantly more to operate as being cheaper, so yeah either they got scammed by lockmart or it's the usual bribery that you always see in military procurement, or both. the operational costs per aircraft per year they're counting on are about half of what the USAF is paying for their aircraft, for some reason. but operational cost overruns a couple years down the line is no big deal, it's not like you can un-purchase the plane e: for reference the total cost to the swedish government for the entire gripen E program, that is all the research and development going all the way back to the start, and the cost of purchasing 60 aircraft, works out to about the same cost per aircraft (~$70M) as the current marginal cost of buying new F-35's off the existing production line disregarding the hundreds of billions spent on development hell. but still you see people on twitter going on about how gripen E is "risky" because it's "still in development" or whatever nonsense. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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BigglesSWE posted:Congrats Finland of buying the F-35. I'm sure that won't end up biting you in the rear end, lol. Finland and Sweden should have had a joint navy and air force decades ago. Now we're just floundering somewhere between neutrality and ***NATO OPTION***
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BigglesSWE posted:Congrats Finland of buying the F-35. I'm sure that won't end up biting you in the rear end, lol. I do think bribes and blatant corruption is the only way to explain this.
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Oh wait hold on, it might not even be bribery or a scam but rather just budgetary stupidity. They set the number of aircraft and the total budget well beforehand (64 aircraft/10 billion euro), so this might very well be a case of having to spend all of the allocated funds or lose them. Saab even had room to include two AEW&C aircraft as part of the offer.
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