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Lady Demelza posted:"Failure to thrive" was a cause of diagnosis that probably meant the infant had food intolerances or a digestive disorder or literally any one of a thousand conditions which we recognise today. E: Oh go on then, have a bog: 
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fuctifino posted:Disabilities were often swept under the carpet, locked behind closed doors or buried 6 feet underground. Unless the parents were rich and willing, I doubt that ultra special dietary needs were even considered, let alone catered for. In Egypt, homosexuality is illegal, there are a lot of very unhappy people around. Mostly, people seemed to pretend not to notice, unless they had a private vendetta against someone. Older muslim men will just flat out deny that muslims are ever gay. (I've not had the discussion with older muslim Arab women to know whether that is also the case with them.) For men particularly, it is very difficult. I know a gay guy there who used to go on the website for gay men to meet up. Normally they would be married men, often with their kids in tow - (not, I hasten to add for any nefarious purposes I probably don't have to say this on this forum but just to be clear) and meet up in supermarkets or malls to arrange their liaisons. I said to him once, for heaven's sake be careful, you have no idea when these will be security forces setting you up. He went home with a guy one time and caught his reflection in the mirror before anything physical occurred and got seriously scared when he saw the look on the guy's face, he was sure he was security forces. Made his excuses and left as fast as he could. I also heard from friends in Saudi etc, if you're gay, most people just mind their own business, but woe betide you if you upset the wrong person, that's when you might find yourself pushed off a roof. (Also in Arab culture, if you're the 'top' you don't count as gay apparently.) One time in upper Egypt I visited a home for orphans and disabled people run by coptic christians. There were some very very severely disabled people there, some had been found by the church locked in sheds for decades of their lives. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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I mean, being LGBT literally is becoming more common because a significant portion of hetero dominance was due to societal indoctrination, if you weaken that and particularly if you create supportive spaces for alternatives then people express and internalize a wider range of preferences. I don't think it's just that previously a lot of people were secretive about it. Also arguably the entire concept of being "heterosexual" etc is a fairly new invention, certainly what we would think of as the modern incarnation of it where you are exclusively 100% straight all the time never anything else. So if heterosexuality itself is a product of modern society then it seems reasonable to think about a lot of things that necessarily exist in response to that, at least in how they are necessarily expressed at the moment (lgbt identities in an extremely heteronormative society are necessarily defined by oppression by the dominant norm, and as they become more accepted we see some of the aspects of that definition fading away and being replaced by newer expressions of it that could only exist in a more accepting society) in a similar way. But all of that is a bit different I think to things that affect very young children who I would think would be a bit too young to be so heavily affected by social ideas and stuff, so that is what makes me lean more towards "has always been there at a similar rate but was not understood" in that case.
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Some of it was probably a matter of how well you were able to hide or 'correct' it, left handedness was once regarded somewhat like LDs are by general society, some mix of 'disobedient on purpose', 'brain wired wrong', and 'probably satan or something idk' and often beaten out of kids and hidden by adults except when under close scrutiny (which led to some wild papers about how 12% of criminals and institutionalized insane were left handed, compared to only 2% of decent people), but once it just became a matter of 'does some stuff differently' it leveled off at what we can assume is the 'natural' level (as much as writing and cricket and guitar can be said to be factors of nature). Other things were probably limited by environmental availability, food allergies require a varied diet, dyslexia requires a literate society, photosensitive epilepsy requires strong light sources (or the sun through trees, but usually only moving past them at speed), etc.
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Guavanaut posted:Some of it was probably a matter of how well you were able to hide or 'correct' it, left handedness was once regarded somewhat like LDs are by general society, some mix of 'disobedient on purpose', 'brain wired wrong', and 'probably satan or something idk' Initally parsed "LD" as "liberal democrat".
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They're the ones that produce the misleading percentages.
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OwlFancier posted:Initally parsed "LD" as "liberal democrat".  It took me a shockingly long time to work out what they actually meant, rather than trying to find some LibDem-knocking joke that I just couldn't get.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:(Also in Arab culture, if you're the 'top' you don't count as gay apparently.) Similar to early modern Europe, because a man who received was playing the part of a woman. And obviously that is just the worst. Guavanaut posted:Some of it was probably a matter of how well you were able to hide or 'correct' it, left handedness was once regarded somewhat like LDs are by general society, some mix of 'disobedient on purpose', 'brain wired wrong', and 'probably satan or something idk' and often beaten out of kids and hidden by adults except when under close scrutiny (which led to some wild papers about how 12% of criminals and institutionalized insane were left handed, compared to only 2% of decent people), but once it just became a matter of 'does some stuff differently' it leveled off at what we can assume is the 'natural' level (as much as writing and cricket and guitar can be said to be factors of nature). Left handedness wasn't a problem in medieval/early modern Europe!
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Lady Demelza posted:Left handedness wasn't a problem in medieval/early modern Europe! It was in the 1970's/early 80's classrooms. I remember people being physically punished for writing with their left hand, receiving detentions and even being openly mocked by the headmaster in front of the whole school during assembly.
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BalloonFish posted:
I mean "brain wired wrong" is a pretty good description of most Lib Dems
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fuctifino posted:It was in the 1970's/early 80's classrooms. I remember people being physically punished for writing with their left hand, receiving detentions and even being openly mocked by the headmaster in front of the whole school during assembly. It went further back than that, as my mother was punished for writing left handed in the early 60s. And it was pretty much done by the early 80s, as while I was punished for it as recently as 1982 that was by a single teacher (and a fossilised old bitch at that), not systemic.
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Recently stepped-down Barclay boss Staley & Epstein:quote:Barclays boss: Brace for shock on Staley emails - chairman calls top investors to warn messages between Epstein and Staley are 'uncomfortable' Source: Heil/money/markets/article-10248933/Barclays-boss-Brace-shock-Staley-emails-Epstein.html
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this discussion that started about the crisps girl article has actually been real rad, y'all are a good thread
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fuctifino posted:It was in the 1970's/early 80's classrooms. I remember people being physically punished for writing with their left hand, receiving detentions and even being openly mocked by the headmaster in front of the whole school during assembly. Both my folks are left-handed and got the belt until they stopped being left handed. Didn't even bloody work.
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https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/a-well-polished-jackboot-from-a-fashionable A fun article on Matthew Parris and his latest ah, contribution to the Times. 
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Real Cool Catfish posted:https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/a-well-polished-jackboot-from-a-fashionable This guy watched children of men and rooted for the British government.
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It's time we re-examined our obligation to journalists, IMO.
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OwlFancier posted:It's time we re-examined our obligation to journalists, IMO. Fake news is a really catchy phrase that needs to be exported to the UK. I want kenny labour yelling it at the Tories for added spiciness
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OwlFancier posted:It's time we re-examined our obligation to journalists, IMO. imo we as a society should consider bringing back exiling people for takes like that. i'd like to re-examine my obligations to that guy and chase him into the wilderness as part of angry peasant mob, pitchfork in hand
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OwlFancier posted:It's time we re-examined our obligation to journalists, IMO. I said it before but before you qualify as a journalist you should be sent off to some suitably oppressive hellhole and asked to write something nasty about the local big man. If you survive you pass. Hard mode for distinction - write something nice about Jaromy Croblyn.
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Z the IVth posted:I said it before but before you qualify as a journalist you should be sent off to some suitably oppressive hellhole and asked to write something nasty about the local big man. Still remembering that time some tiny local paper got awarded the Pulitzer Prize for editorials and not the lovely one for tiny local papers for exposing a scandal where pollutants were being released into the local water supply by people with links to the big seed industry and petrochemicals.
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Imagine sitting down at your computer and actually typing this out 
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smellmycheese posted:Imagine sitting down at your computer and actually typing this out I don't really want to imagine having a stroke to be honest
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I don't think I've ever sat down at a computer and not ended up having a stroke 
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You must be very popular at the office.
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OwlFancier posted:You must be very popular at the office. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4
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smellmycheese posted:Imagine sitting down at your computer and actually typing this out Is this about NFTs?
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Guav beat me to the left-handed graph, so I'll mention instead something I saw on twitter as a response to the "millennials these days with their food "intolerances", never existed in my day urgle burgle" - have you ever read a book about posh people from the olden days? They're always going on about their "digestion" and how they feel "bilious" after eating. Bertie Wooster's uncle has a tempremental French chef whose cooking is the only thing that soothes his digestion (and the nouveau-riche Northern magazine magnate can't stomach it and spends the whole story in agony). Or old colonels having a touch of "bad liver". Or the trope of wives telling their husbands they don't like food X, it angers their spleen or whatever. There must have been loads of lactose intolerant people who drank milk all their lives, while complaining about their digestion, without ever putting 2 and 2 together (and also people who did figure it out because people weren't stupid just because it was the olden days). And I guess coeliacs just died of ruined intestine (recorded cause of death: vapour lock)
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In fairness while I believe dietary restrictions are a thing I do not believe that old timey posh people had them, I assume they were all just extremely fussy rich people.
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josh04 posted:Is this about NFTs? I think they've fired their writers and hired Markov bots. e: Holy poo poo.... https://twitter.com/stuartctaylor/status/1464894451457871874 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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josh04 posted:Is this about NFTs? No its a poorly phrased character reveal for the next series of Peppa Pig.
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Bobstar posted:There must have been loads of lactose intolerant people who drank milk all their lives, while complaining about their digestion, without ever putting 2 and 2 together (and also people who did figure it out because people weren't stupid just because it was the olden days). And I guess coeliacs just died of ruined intestine (recorded cause of death: vapour lock) Flux, bloody flux, and scouring were the diagnoses for different flavours of "poo poo themselves to death" - they turned up loads in Bills of Mortality in London but then died right down for a while (even as hygiene standards got ever worse) suggesting that *something* changed in the diet in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. A lot of people point at the potato being the saviour here as the deaths dropped around the same time as deaths from scurvy, which is attributed to the potato becoming the mainstay of the diet of the working classes, but nobody's really sure. It is also possible that people that had been dying from, say, malnutrition or blood loss from long-term intestinal problems were instead dying quicker of other things, aided by the malnutrition. Then cholera and dysentery came to town and suddenly violent arse-death was back, and bigger than ever. (Interestingly nobody seems to know what "scouring" consisted of. Flux was an old term for diarrhea and bloody flux is unfortunately self-explanatory, but scouring was presumably arse badness that *wasn't* making GBS threads through the eye of a needle because in many bills the three of them are combined as one cause of death, but there's absolutely no evidence to explain what it might have been, although there's lots of guessing which I won't ruin anyone's Sunday brunch with)
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Real Cool Catfish posted:https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/a-well-polished-jackboot-from-a-fashionable what a oval office
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Flux, bloody flux, and scouring were the diagnoses for different flavours of "poo poo themselves to death" - they turned up loads in Bills of Mortality in London but then died right down for a while (even as hygiene standards got ever worse) suggesting that *something* changed in the diet in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. A lot of people point at the potato being the saviour here as the deaths dropped around the same time as deaths from scurvy, which is attributed to the potato becoming the mainstay of the diet of the working classes, but nobody's really sure. It is also possible that people that had been dying from, say, malnutrition or blood loss from long-term intestinal problems were instead dying quicker of other things, aided by the malnutrition. Violent arse-death would be a good username.
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Real Cool Catfish posted:https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/a-well-polished-jackboot-from-a-fashionable These cretins are all disgusted and shocked by Boris Johnson's ease with just openly being a racist lying pig but then immediately put out stuff like this. Their problem with Johnson is that he's so open about it all being bullshit that it makes it hard for them to keep centrist kayfabe.
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therattle posted:Violent arse-death would be a good username. Violent arse-death is what I wish on whichever fascist pillock in the government is trying to shore up declining popularity of the tories by getting the Mail and the Sun to print a big load of bollox on their front pages claiming the 'woke blobs' have banned the use of the word Christmas in the upcoming get jabbed campaign.
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Lefty loonies denying the sacrament of are lord jesus christ which is getting vaccinated.
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Again, the similarity between the current culture war against 'woke' and the* pre-war * On briefly researching, turns out I used the wrong word. Also turns out there have been a lot of wars predated by a period of anti-intellectualism. E2: oh no I was right, it can be used that way. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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