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TaurusOxford posted:That's always been the most "How the gently caress do you work?!" thing about the X, since they supposedly can't copy pure tech but were somehow able to DOWNLOAD Samus' Varia Suit upgrade from the Data Room in Fusion. well, yeah. if Samus's suit is partially biological but it can receive digital data from a Data Room, then there has to be something on the biological side that can interface with it, and thus if it's biological it could be replicated or innate to the X. It's still weird when you think about it too much, but as far as spacemagic is concerned it's consistent spacemagic.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:I guess in this universe, with outright brain-in-a-jar computers, it's a given that most tech has an organic part to it. i think this is one of the reasons i like it - it's kinda shocking to hear the suit has fleshy bits but also not out of the blue because biotech has been a thing (and a chozo thing at that) since the very first game in the series
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Nov 27, 2021 20:24
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At a middle school playground in 1989: "I heard the guy in Metroid is actually a g-g-girl!" If you look at how Samus' suit evolves in Dread, you can see how the wiry muscle bits around her shoulders get progressively armoured up.
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Nov 27, 2021 20:29
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WHY BONER NOW posted:I don't believe it's happened in game yet, but I don't think it's been outright ruled out either. So I'd file it under "if they decide it makes sense in the story/game, the x will copy machines". Also, Dark Samus getting the suit design almost exactly. It's possible the MP just stole her DNA and put it in a Varia Suit-shaped shell, but if that was the case, and looking like that is a personal choice, why isn't her form more variable? girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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Nov 27, 2021 22:19
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Are the EMMI upgraded by Raven Beak using data (or parts IDK) stripped from Samus? Is that why they're distinct and why Samus can re-learn her abilities from them? Its looks like Raven Beak partly destroyed the first one before finding a way to incorporate them into an existing security system of some kind... I still don't know how the first one's face plate was destroyed, unless that's just showing how awesome Raven Beak's arm cannon is.
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Nov 27, 2021 22:22
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kaschei posted:Are the EMMI upgraded by Raven Beak using data (or parts IDK) stripped from Samus? Is that why they're distinct and why Samus can re-learn her abilities from them? Since that's clearly Raven Beak's doing, I'm going to assume his arm cannon has a crowbar mode.
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Nov 27, 2021 22:28
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Omobono posted:Since that's clearly Raven Beak's doing, I'm going to assume his arm cannon has a crowbar mode.
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Nov 27, 2021 22:32
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I did it, I beat Experiment X-57. I had to cheat, but in the official, Nintendo-approved way - I used Amiibos for a little extra energy toward the end of the fight.
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Nov 28, 2021 01:43
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Omobono posted:The federation lost signal on the EMMIs like 5 minutes after planetfall but the X were still under containment until Samus reached the containment zone. I don’t think it was that quickly. But I guess it depends on whether the EMMI zones & control units were created by the Federation or Raven Beak. It’s not explicitly said at any point but it seems like it could be Federation tech that was repurposed by the Chozo.
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Nov 28, 2021 03:46
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Randomly, since the Chozo word for the X Parasites is "Elis," do you think "Elun" might be related to that?
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Nov 28, 2021 04:21
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I don’t think it was that quickly. But I guess it depends on whether the EMMI zones & control units were created by the Federation or Raven Beak. It’s not explicitly said at any point but it seems like it could be Federation tech that was repurposed by the Chozo. They had to have been made by the Chozo since the Federation considers the planet unexplored, doesn't it?
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Nov 28, 2021 10:52
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Kassad posted:They had to have been made by the Chozo since the Federation considers the planet unexplored, doesn't it? i really don't know where the idea that the emmi areas are federation comes from, that's not what they were doing there at all. they explicitly sent the emmi to explore and gather samples, before losing contact.
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I think I’m roughly 4 hours in, got the pulse radar, went to the F area to get debriefed by Adam and completely lost on where to go from here
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Nov 28, 2021 11:27
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I think I’m roughly 4 hours in, got the pulse radar, went to the F area to get debriefed by Adam and completely lost on where to go from here Pulse radar is one of the items that you can pretty easily get out of order. What was the last item you got before that?
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Your Computer posted:yeah, not to mention the Our information provider ingame implied that they were supposed to work that way but then they are a lying liar who lies. Though, the first central unit was already beaten up... so who knows. Maybe there's a protocol for moving them around
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TaurusOxford posted:Let's not say crazy things. I'm fine with new upgrades but speed booster (ESPECIALLY with how great it is in Dread) should be a mainstay. If you're gonna' get Doom in my Metroid, you'd best do it as well as Doom or you just look like an rear end in a top hat. There's a progression arc in Metroid that's extremely tough to pull off even without adding new mechanics. This can be pretty well epitomized by Samus Returns: Ideally, Metroid should make you feel like a tiny god for a while after you get an upgrade. Then, just before you've noticed that getting boring, it should ramp up the difficulty some, then a bit more, then more still, until, for the briefest of moments, you feel unmatched. And just as you do, you should find an upgrade that turns you back into a tiny god. Samus Returns botched this so completely that I was terrified Dread would make the same mistake. Instead of having a period where you feel like a badass, the game would make you feel underpowered for ages, then give you an upgrade that made the area you'd just beaten child's play, except... you just beat it. That doesn't help you anymore. So you only feel awesome when backtracking and spend the entire rest of the game, absent twitch reflexes or the benefit of a playthrough or two of practice, feeling quite a bit less than badass. It's such an incredibly difficult line to walk that I'm frankly impossibly impressed that Nintendo and Konami ever got it right enough to create a popular genre. In the case of Prime 2, they had to balance that in addition to several new gameplay mechanics, and I'm not surprised they couldn't manage to the point that they did with Prime 1, but following up one of the greatest games of all time is always going to be a tall order. My biggest beef with Sakamoto is that he feels Samus is at her most interesting when she's helpless and afraid and frankly, when you combine this with the whole of Other M's story, while the guy may not personally have issues with women, his games definitely do, and since Samus is the only woman in videogames that's been with me since childhood and I had to grow up playing other genders almost exclusively, it can occasionally be a pretty thunderous bummer when I feel Samus isn't handled correctly.
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Dread made it clear that Sakamoto is no longer in the driver's seat after Other M's complete, utter, and abject failure, so I feel secure in the future of the franchise for now
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The Golux posted:Our information provider ingame implied that they were supposed to work that way but then they are a lying liar who lies. Right, it seemed like Raven Beak must have wrecked that central unit, right? I wish that it made more sense!!!
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Nov 29, 2021 03:25
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my impression is that the first Emmi area with the dead unit and messed up Emmi was entirely Raven Beak prototyping the areas and trying to set up control, and one fought back and killed its control unit before Raven blasted it into uselessness
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Nov 29, 2021 03:42
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Febreeze posted:I hated the Final suit in Dread though, makes her look like a dumb crustacean. Crab suit. Here's a completely unrelated video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K9R1rYrHbU Black August posted:Dread made it clear that Sakamoto is no longer in the driver's seat after Other M's complete, utter, and abject failure, so I feel secure in the future of the franchise for now People keep going on about how badass she is in this game, but in every example I've seen thus far, people are talking about the Doomslayer affectations from cutscenes. If she's at her most badass when somebody else is controlling her, that's not me being a badass, and that's bad game design.  gently caress you. The reveal of who is actually talking makes this make sense in context, but this is fiction. That context was thought up by the director. And I think he sometimes really sucks.
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I think you might be taking it too personally Samus was poo poo-talked the entire game and she nosold all of it
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Nov 29, 2021 03:51
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when a new bad guy is fighting Goku and everyone’s like “oh poo poo Goku you shouldn’t be fighting that guy he’s invincible nooo don’t he’ll kill you in like a second” I think that’s pretty hosed up
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Black August posted:I think you might be taking it too personally There's no sense in us arguing about it. If you like Samus being helpless, that's your Metroid experience and I wouldn't dream of telling you that you're wrong just like I wouldn't tell somebody their enjoyment of linear, gated-off Zelda isn't wrong just because I preferred Zelda 1/LBW/BOTW's more "here's a world" approach. It's just not what I want from a Metroid game. I absolutely adored the ending of Zero Mission because it lasted exactly as long as it should have, came with more catharsis after the fact than any Metroid game since that's tried it, and it was something we hadn't really experienced from Samus before. "What if Samus was completely outmatched in every way" is a really interesting question to ask, and it asked and answered it extremely well, so why are we continuously doing this as if that didn't happen? Why cheapen a brilliant piece of art you made by doing the same new, novel departures it did over and over unless you think that's what's inherently the most interesting thing? And if that is what's interesting, why do you think so, and why poo poo on all the little girls who grew up with, or could grow up with, a protagonist who has their poo poo together outside of cutscenes? Find a new experiment. Don't keep performing the one that succeeded and became science unless you can turn it into better science.
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LividLiquid posted:That's just it. She did. I didn't, and that's what I didn't like. there's not really an argument to be had, you're just wrong
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Nov 29, 2021 04:12
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Samus has literally never felt more powerful during standard gameplay than in Dredd. I genuinely am not sure what you are expecting short of something that is not Metroid.
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Nov 29, 2021 04:13
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Samua feels extremely badass to play as in dread too, not just to look at
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Nov 29, 2021 04:15
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All this whining about how Samus is totally helpless when literally every single cutscene she's in shows her being an unflappable badass. I was watching an LP and they pointed out how even if Samus is "outmatched" she's always shown as being in control of the situation, like walking towards the boss arm cannon up when it's screaming in her face. Even in gameplay you're pretty much stomping over all the regular enemies. The EMMIs eventually become jokes you speed run through their areas and take up less and less of the game time, with the last one literally being a cutscene boss that Samus curbstomps.
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Augus posted:Samua feels extremely badass to play as in dread too, not just to look at Yeah standard play is moving swiftly through an area blowing everything to shreds and punching anything that gets too close in the face before making it explode. I've beem running it for speed purposes lately and it is genuinely shocking to me how good it it is at making you feel crazy capable from the start. Even the EMMI get less threatening. By this point I can reliably hit their escape mechanic with little trouble so even the deadly instakill bots get kicked in the face.
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How does Samus feel helpless? Adam says she is sure, but she then proceeds to crush all opposition in both gameplay and cutscenes.
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Nov 29, 2021 04:19
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Regy Rusty posted:How does Samus feel helpless? Adam says she is sure, but she then proceeds to crush all opposition in both gameplay and cutscenes. Because you have to run away from EMMIs I guess? Until you stop running and blow their heads off
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The utter contempt for Kraid shows in both her body language, and the number of insta-kills the devs put in if you’re into some sequence breaking.
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Nov 29, 2021 04:26
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Metroid has always been about Samus running away and coming back when she's stronger. It happens in her backstory and it happens in the genre's gameplay loop and it happens in the plot. One of her recurring powerups lets her run even faster. She also runs away from every place as it self destructs to bookend it 
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LividLiquid posted:That's just it. She did. I didn't, and that's what I didn't like. okay so this is 'taking it too personally' and I am advising you to have FUN with the good game that is not actively hating on women, and just chill out
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Yeah there's a huge gulf of difference between the "You're helpless" in Dread and, say, Other M. Other M has her up against Ridley for the Xth time, but her reaction isn't really anything that any other iteration of Samus has ever showed. In Dread, she gets the "You're helpless" chat and immediately disregards it and all of the bosses. The closest she comes to surprise is the experiment, and that's a single moment of "ah poo poo, this one is big and mobile" before grabbing onto it and blasting away.
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samus' first encounter with the EMMI reflects how you deal with them in-game as well. she shoots it with her beam, shoots it with her missiles, and when it no-sells both, she goes "well this isn't working" and then kicks it in the head and goes on the hunt for a tool that will. she's not helpless or vulnerable against the EMMI, she's just being smart
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Nov 29, 2021 04:40
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How dare this franchise heavily inspired by Alien be harrowing at times!
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I wish Samus wasn't so afraid of green doors that she has to run away from them until she gets the super missiles.
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I feel like it's worth noting that even Doomguy begins as a dude with a pistol and some anger issues over a dead bunny who is fighting literal monsters from Hell. Part of the appeal of the character is that he is hilariously outgunned and still kicks everything's rear end because he is just that angry about his dead bunny.
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I thought the game was pretty good at not being a heavy disconnect between cutscene and playable Samus - trying to slowly stealth your way past E.M.M.I.s doesn't work very well at all, but briefly cloaking to get them out of your face so you can sprint to the next door does, and if you're quick about it during the animations, you have just enough time from successfully melting their faceplates to charge up a killshot without moving even if they're right in your face. Still seems like an unflappable badass to me.
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