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I keep thinking the mom is Madam Masque but I dunno if that’s possible. Show needs more Lucky. A while episode from his perspective, just like the Fraction/Aja run.
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Jet Jaguar posted:I keep thinking the mom is Madam Masque but I dunno if that’s possible. This is my pet theory too. I'm not sure there's anything that would fully rule it out? There was a Madam Masque in Agent Carter but that's long enough ago both in the timeline of the shows and in our world that they can reuse the concept.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:13
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Party Boat posted:This is my pet theory too. I'm not sure there's anything that would fully rule it out? There was a Madam Masque in Agent Carter but that's long enough ago both in the timeline of the shows and in our world that they can reuse the concept. Aren't the pre-Disney+ shows basically non-canon now anyway?
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Nov 29, 2021 00:15
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Probably, until one of the new shows / films decides it wants to reference something from them.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:23
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Party Boat posted:Probably, until one of the new shows / films decides it wants to reference something from them. If it's just a reference to them then it probably wouldn't mean anything on it's own; it'd only be if one of them decided to build off events in those shows that'd it'd really definitively canonize them. Maybe not even then, since if Vincent D'onofrio showed up as Kingpin talking about having fought someone called Daredevil it could just be him playing the same character with a similar history and Disney/Marvel could change it as they wish to fit their plans.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:30
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Agent Carter is canon at least, as it was referenced directly in Endgame as Jarvis' actor from that show reprised his role. But, yeah, they could just say "this is Jarvis from a mostly-the-same-but-kind-of-different-multiverse" if they wanted, 'cause it's all made-up bullshit.
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Nov 29, 2021 02:19
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LividLiquid posted:Agent Carter is canon at least, as it was referenced directly in Endgame as Jarvis' actor from that show reprised his role. Yeah. That's the entire plot for the new Spider-Man movie, anyway. You get the Tobey and Andrew Spiderverses (and probably Venom?) colliding together into the MCU.
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Nov 29, 2021 03:21
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LividLiquid posted:Agent Carter is canon at least, as it was referenced directly in Endgame as Jarvis' actor from that show reprised his role. We thought this about Evan Peters and didn't it turn out to be a 'fun nod' or something.
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Nov 29, 2021 03:41
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Ravel posted:We thought this about Evan Peters and didn't it turn out to be a 'fun nod' or something. The difference is that the WandaVision writers were deliberately misleading the audience. They wanted us to think he was the Foxverse version to sell Wanda's confusion.
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Nov 29, 2021 04:10
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For a show about people whose super power is they are really good at shooting arrows there sure haven't been many arrows shot in Hawkeye through two episodes. I think one of the problems the show has is it's based on a comic run that was very Clint centric, Kate is already established and only pops up from time to time from what I remember, but it's also trying to be an origin and passing the torch story for Kate, which that definitely wasn't.
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Nov 29, 2021 06:31
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Kate is the co-main character in the comic series. Like when she moves out to LA, they alternate issues with her and Clint. It's not her origin story, but it does very much grow her character from where she was beforehand.
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Nov 29, 2021 06:50
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Codependent Poster posted:Kate is the co-main character in the comic series. Like when she moves out to LA, they alternate issues with her and Clint. It's not her origin story, but it does very much grow her character from where she was beforehand. The Fraction run the Bro Mafia and the fellow in your avatar are from is mostly what I described though, isn't it?
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Nov 29, 2021 11:25
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With the apartment being arsoned already I'm worried that this version of Hawkeye won't have Grills
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Nov 29, 2021 11:48
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LividLiquid posted:Agent Carter is canon at least, as it was referenced directly in Endgame as Jarvis' actor from that show reprised his role. Or Jarvis could just be the same dude. Doesn't mean the events of that show happened otherwise. As someone else said they'll probably just pick and choose if they want to include characters/events as they go.
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Nov 29, 2021 11:51
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Party Boat posted:With the apartment being arsoned already I'm worried that this version of Hawkeye won't have Grills The LARPer who stole the suit introduced himself with that name. Maybe this is what the show is. Each day some person steals the Ronin suit and an increasingly exhausted Clint has to stop them from killing themselves.
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Of all the pre-D+ shows, Agent Carter is the only one that Feige had some kind of involvement in. If any of those shows are still canon, it'd be that for sure. And AoS, because I said so
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:The Fraction run the Bro Mafia and the fellow in your avatar are from is mostly what I described though, isn't it? Yes, but the series is about both of them. Kate doesn't pop up from time to time, she's focused on just as much as Clint. And while it isn't an origin story or passing the torch, it does put them both on the same level so they can share the Hawkeye name.
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cant cook creole bream posted:The LARPer who stole the suit introduced himself with that name. Turns out I'm an idiot lol
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Given what happened with Evan Peters in WandaVision, I’m fully expecting Vincent D’Onofrio to be in the show but his character will be named Hugh G. Rection.
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Kwanzaa Quickie posted:Given what happened with Evan Peters in WandaVision, I’m fully expecting Vincent D’Onofrio to be in the show but his character will be named Hugh G. Rection. Ehh, I don't really think they will pull that trick twice.
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Argue posted:And AoS, because I said so AoS sucked horribly, but I also would like it to be canon. They named a character with my first and last name, so I want to be canon in the MCU.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Ehh, I don't really think they will pull that trick twice. Yeah, he’ll be Hugh G Bohner, Ralph’s estranged father
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:For a show about people whose super power is they are really good at shooting arrows there sure haven't been many arrows shot in Hawkeye through two episodes. Part of the lack of arrows is the initial situation. Clint isn't in NYC as an Avengers or Assassin of SHIELD. He's taking his on a Christmas vacation (I do wonder why mom was left behind, though). He isn't carrying a costume and archery rig for that. Meanwhile Kate hasn't quite made the change from talented normal person to "costumed vigilante" yet. So she's not going to be bringing a bow and arrows everywhere with her either yet. Figure this coming episode will show that the fecal matter has well and truly collided with the rapidly rotating blades and archery will become a lot more prominent soon. Meanwhile, I don't care either way about Agent Carter or Agents of SHIELD, but godsdammit I need to see live-action Captain Carter from What If? in the MCU. Everyone fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Nov 30, 2021 |
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I feel like this has come up with every show but it is a show and we've only seen a third. There are still four hours left. Plenty of time for arrow shooting.
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I'm kinda annoyed with this version of Grills - which sucks, cause as an actual loving nerd LARPer, I really wanted to like him. Dude stole something from the scene not only of a fire, but a fairly obvious arson, then goes gallivanting around in it despite the fact it matched the look of a high profile hotel attack and murder that was all over the news (this bit may be a little more forgivable since he *was* on duty during the news cycle in question - but one of the folks there should have asked him a question about it!) As far as LARPer representation goes... meh. Not as bad as most, but still way off mark.
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This show looks to be suffering for the same reasons that all the other MCU shows did-- poor fight cheorography Kate vs the Mafia in the basement felt really weird and janky, and I'm willing to write that off as intentional but Clint, the Ronin, master swordsman assassin badass, should have had a much cooler fight with the larpers. Like, a lot less slow motion. Have him just, normal speed, walking through the crowd, looking bored, with nerds falling down around him Also Tony Dalton tells me that Paul F Thompkins deserves a role in the MCU
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Sockser posted:This show looks to be suffering for the same reasons that all the other MCU shows did-- poor fight cheorography It's really fuckin bad dude, especially when compared to something like Titans.
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Nov 30, 2021 09:30
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I really like this so far and I have a theory about the head of the track suit mafia - She's deaf and her and Clint will commiserate over that. That also opens up a lot of sign language "bros"
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In response to the previous post; I don't think that suits the duality aspect of it - I think she'll have some form of tinnitus, caused/aggravated by something the Avengers did in New York, and the speakers are a way for her to dull or deaden the ringing noise she constantly hears otherwise.
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I wish Kang was still running the TVA. When he was in charged I never found myself splitting off into weird universes with threads where people say Hawkeye is bad and Eternals isn't hot garbage.
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Sockser posted:This show looks to be suffering for the same reasons that all the other MCU shows did-- poor fight cheorography Figure Clint is a guy who probably could legitimately kill people with even a foam sword and as annoyed as he was with the whole LARP situation, he didn't really want to kill any of them, Kate vs. the Tracksuits was Kate's first for real fight against people that really wanted to hurt/kill her, so of course it's kind of weird. As far as Grillo scooping up the costume, he probably figured that the owner would just assume it had been destroyed in the fire. Meanwhile, just because you see a costume even in the MCU, it doesn't mean it's the real one. If there's a Spider-Man suit hanging up, it's still probably not Peter Parker's suit. Also, IIRC, the LARP seemed to have a theme of Vikings vs. Ninjas didn't it?
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Total Meatlove posted:In response to the previous post; I don't think that suits the duality aspect of it - I think she'll have some form of tinnitus, caused/aggravated by something the Avengers did in New York, and the speakers are a way for her to dull or deaden the ringing noise she constantly hears otherwise.
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I would have preferred if they had focused on the Ninja Larp fireman at the end of the LARP field, and Clint on the other side with his pots-n-pans armor and boffer sword… Then all of a sudden the music swells and it’s the same exact theme from the gigantic final battle vs Thanos and his aliens, and Clint is just sprinting through the field, just flawlessly sidestepping every move and effortlessly double tapping everyone softly on the back, but in the most epic slow motion cinema-style with the incredibly momentous music hitting all the emotional notes of the climactic battle where all his closest friends fought the universe… And then right as Clint reaches the end of the field, he does like a full Neo-Matrix spin flip or Dodge-This style knee bend… and some snot-nosed Trek-loving dweeb calls out “hey I got you” and Clint stops on a dime, record-needle goes scratch, and Clint is like “what, no you didn’t” “yes huh, dude, I got you, my sword touched your belt buckle when you flipped over me onto the park bench, dude, your out!” A much more realistic portrayal of larping in a city park, that’s for sure!!!
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Total Meatlove posted:In response to the previous post; I don't think that suits the duality aspect of it - I think she'll have some form of tinnitus, caused/aggravated by something the Avengers did in New York, and the speakers are a way for her to dull or deaden the ringing noise she constantly hears otherwise. Spoilers for who that character likely is based on comics Presumably she's Echo, who in the comics was born deaf. They might change that for the show of course but it would be kind of a bummer for representation if they did
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Party Boat posted:Spoilers for who that character likely is based on comics They hired someone who was born deaf to play her, and she's spoken several times to various entertainment publications about how thrilled she is to be giving that community representation (I'd assume she's happy to be representation for Native Americans too; since she is one and I think she's the first Native American in the MCU) as a deaf person herself, so I very much doubt Disney changed it.
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Oh cool, that's very welcome news
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Disney for all their many faults are at least making some gestures to representation, since the deaf character Makkari in The Eternals was played by Lauren Ridloff, who was also born deaf, while the current phase of the MCU is introducing several female or non-White male legacy characters who are inheriting titles from White men, as well as introducing a few non-White male characters like Kamala Khan (aka Ms Marvel) and Riri Williams (aka Ironheart). Although, I guess Kamala is a legacy character too. I just don't tend to think of her as quite the same, since while she inherits the Ms. Marvel name, she isn't as heavily tied to the character she inherited it from or any legacy of her. At least, from my limited understanding of the character; not having read any of the comics. I don't know of any other disabled characters or actors getting focus in the immediate future, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there were some in planning that I'm not aware of off-hand. Would Moonknight's multiple personality disorder and/or psychosis be classified as a disability? Or would disorders be considered something else?
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live with fruit posted:I feel like this has come up with every show but it is a show and we've only seen a third. There are still four hours left. Plenty of time for arrow shooting. Arrows are pretty lame tbh, he should be shooting bullets instead imo
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Bust Rodd posted:I would have preferred if they had focused on the Ninja Larp fireman at the end of the LARP field, and Clint on the other side with his pots-n-pans armor and boffer sword… Kate: On your left! *Immediately takes a foam hammer to the face
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Electric Phantasm posted:Arrows are pretty lame tbh, he should be shooting bullets instead imo Bullets are boring. That's actually literally why Hawkeye doesn't use guns - because they make it too damned easy. With bows, it's more of a challenge.
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