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frankenbeans
Feb 16, 2003

Good Times

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

I got my booster and flu jab at the same time, and the nurse administering it gave me some great advice I'll pass on: get them both in the same arm. Because it felt like I took a good punch in the shoulder all that day, but at least it meant I could sleep on the other side.

I wish I had that option. At our vacc centre, we were given one in each arm, and luckily I got the less sucky one (flu jab) in my right arm which is good because I can only sleep on my right side. Ignore the 'which is your dominant arm/hand', get the flu jab in the arm you sleep on. Especially if you are not an ambi-sleeper.

Edit: A 99 flake is a soft-serve ice cream served in a cone with a small fake Cadbury's Flake rammed in it. This is served to a wavering, scratchy, midrange-only rendering of Greensleves played through a horn tweeter.

frankenbeans fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Nov 30, 2021

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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


imo Jaeluni's post was the worse nightmare fuel.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Shadow Secretary of State of Climate Change and Net Zero: Ed Miliband
Shadow Attorney General: Emily Thornberry
These two alone aren't terrible I guess - which I think makes this the worst Labour front bench since Gordon Brown? Like correct me if I'm wrong but there's not one single socialist on there, only ^two "soft left", and every single prominent right winger on the Labour benches except JessFlips?

I'm not surprised, just disappointed (however, lol@'flips)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm looking forward to the
Patel: migrants should have badges to mark them as subhuman
Cooper: migrants should have wolf heads to mark them as nonhuman
Patel: migrants should surrender their heads at the border
Cooper: migrant heads should be placed on pikes along the coast
Press: Labour wants to give your pikes to migrants for free!
debate :suicide:

At least Baron Field of Birkenhead is absent.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1465589932735537155?t=_c5aSZ-HVE9Ir8VjKfk0cg&s=19

Some interesting stuff about genetic markers in this. Oh and obviously content warning for death and medical grief porn.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

josh04 posted:

https://twitter.com/Dorianlynskey/status/1465371641823825932

Spectator writers are the most petulent whingy babies.

That "what did you do during the war, daddy?" poster but the answer is "make a few snippy subtweets at the Nazis"

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Angepain posted:

That "what did you do during the war, daddy?" poster but the answer is "make a few snippy subtweets at the Nazis"

Telling them they weren't hating Jews enough.

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum

Borrovan posted:

imo Jaeluni's post was the worse nightmare fuel.

These two alone aren't terrible I guess - which I think makes this the worst Labour front bench since Gordon Brown? Like correct me if I'm wrong but there's not one single socialist on there, only ^two "soft left", and every single prominent right winger on the Labour benches except JessFlips?

I'm not surprised, just disappointed (however, lol@'flips)

Yes- the only ray of light in an otherwise poo poo cabinet is that jessflaps keeps getting shunned lol. It's really something to be too self interested for this plp.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

Angepain posted:

That "what did you do during the war, daddy?" poster but the answer is "make a few snippy subtweets at the Nazis"

I'm not good enough at twitter to work out what is actually going on here. I can get as far back as an Andrew Neil clip and then???

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Angepain posted:

That "what did you do during the war, daddy?" poster but the answer is "make a few snippy subtweets at the Nazis but also sometimes work for them"
ftfy

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

i suppose his diet is largely crisps

Where was he when that crisp girl story came up. Keeping them all to himself, more like :tinfoil:

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

The Perfect Element posted:

I'm not good enough at twitter to work out what is actually going on here. I can get as far back as an Andrew Neil clip and then???

The Spectator published a fluff piece on a French fascist and their 'liberal' writers (of who Dorian is one) were incredibly upset that Owen Jones said this was par for the course for the magazine that published "In Defence of the Wehrmacht".

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
Man I've come down with some non covid illness for the first time in like 2 years now and it absolutely sucks. I don't think I've ever had a sore throat quite like the one I have now. Not sure whether it's bad because I haven't had one in a while or its just a particularly bad strain.

On the plus side it's made me decide to completely self isolate until Christmas because gently caress passing this on to anyone else and gently caress getting ill again before I can see family who I haven't seen in 3 years. Thank god I can just work from home until then and now I've got a great excuse to not go to any of the mind numbing work Christmas parties.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1465265726202290176?s=20

oof

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Ok I have chosen my news paragraph to send back in time 10 years to baffle the past-usses:

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

did y'all put lead back into gasoline after Brexit


How the gently caress can the Tories be up in the polls with a scandal every like 6 hours?

Did y'all lose the ability to have a loving drama on tv after so the PM had to take up the craft? Like what the gently caress

Remember how the centrists would crow how Jermery Crombolyn lost to Teresa May and her wurst government ever but of course that doesn't factor in to the current government, so they can't actually criticise them too badly as it will make their boy look terrible since he can barely match them. Snookered themselves out of hate for the left...

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003


Heard the audio and Christ, it’s all about her. Talking about the boy like he’s a puppy they gave to a friend

https://twitter.com/bbcwomanshour/status/1465577334585450498?s=21

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Aphex- posted:

Man I've come down with some non covid illness for the first time in like 2 years now and it absolutely sucks. I don't think I've ever had a sore throat quite like the one I have now. Not sure whether it's bad because I haven't had one in a while or its just a particularly bad strain.

On the plus side it's made me decide to completely self isolate until Christmas because gently caress passing this on to anyone else and gently caress getting ill again before I can see family who I haven't seen in 3 years. Thank god I can just work from home until then and now I've got a great excuse to not go to any of the mind numbing work Christmas parties.

We all had a bug a few weeks ago that was REALLY bad, including sore throat. I still suspect it might have been Covid that didn't get picked up by tests. if it wasn't, it was one of the worst bugs I have had for a long time - apparently there is one going around.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Noxville posted:

Heard the audio and Christ, it’s all about her. Talking about the boy like he’s a puppy they gave to a friend

https://twitter.com/bbcwomanshour/status/1465577334585450498?s=21

I spent three years working in adoptions and I'm gobsmacked about how they can just return a kid while still calling them "my son" and talking about "resetting their relationship".

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
The evil company that I work for continues to be good at the pandemic (terrible at everything else), and are now shutting down all plans to switch to hybrid/return to office until after Christmas at least.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Get fuuucked!!!!!!!!!!!

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Relieve the tension of living in hellworld by making fun machine generated images of your "favourite" politicians

https://pixray.gob.io/text2image/

Keir Starmer llama harmer


Priti Patel dropping immigrants in a volcano


A bin bag full of custard

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1465589932735537155?t=_c5aSZ-HVE9Ir8VjKfk0cg&s=19

Some interesting stuff about genetic markers in this. Oh and obviously content warning for death and medical grief porn.

My super-fit (bike championships, triathlons etc) nephew (mid 30s) who has been vaccinated and who has done everything - mask wearing, considerable social isolation, WFH - went for a meal with a few friends a couple of weeks ago, caught covid and he's been quite rough. (Not hospitalized though).

IIRC Spanish flu also badly affected healthy young adults in a way that flu doesn't normally.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Necrothatcher posted:

I spent three years working in adoptions and I'm gobsmacked about how they can just return a kid while still calling them "my son" and talking about "resetting their relationship".

A strange way for her to rationalise about her inability to be a parent?

Parenting is a difficult long term job/vocation, one that i decided not to go for as it's too damned hard.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



keep punching joe posted:

The evil company that I work for continues to be good at the pandemic (terrible at everything else), and are now shutting down all plans to switch to hybrid/return to office until after Christmas at least.

Mine has cancelled the Christmas party, but all staff are still expected in three days a week.

There is no disconnect noticed.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Also over 40s in Scotland can now book their booster (I guess that's the case UK wide - or will be soon). Getting mine next week for all the good that it will do against the new Captain Tripps strain.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Marmaduke! posted:

Remember how the centrists would crow how Jermery Crombolyn lost to Teresa May and her wurst government ever but of course that doesn't factor in to the current government, so they can't actually criticise them too badly as it will make their boy look terrible since he can barely match them. Snookered themselves out of hate for the left...

Does the wurst government have a pretzel cabinet?

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

therattle posted:

We all had a bug a few weeks ago that was REALLY bad, including sore throat. I still suspect it might have been Covid that didn't get picked up by tests. if it wasn't, it was one of the worst bugs I have had for a long time - apparently there is one going around.
Yeah, my wife and I have both been absolutely hammered by something for the past week and a half, but the rapid covid test came up negative just before we were both properly whammied, so :shrug: . (I had a flu jab a few weeks ago as well, so that was a lot of use.) She had a lateral flow test yesterday in advance of a medical appointment, so I guess we'll see if it turns out to be some new and interesting covid variant, or just a really, really horrible cold/flu/whatever.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Noxville posted:

Heard the audio and Christ, it’s all about her. Talking about the boy like he’s a puppy they gave to a friend

https://twitter.com/bbcwomanshour/status/1465577334585450498?s=21

This feels like bait to turn me into a Mumsnet poster or something but that woman is just inhuman.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

There's definitely a pretty bad cold going around in schools all over the place at the moment.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Payndz posted:

Yeah, my wife and I have both been absolutely hammered by something for the past week and a half, but the rapid covid test came up negative just before we were both properly whammied, so :shrug: . (I had a flu jab a few weeks ago as well, so that was a lot of use.) She had a lateral flow test yesterday in advance of a medical appointment, so I guess we'll see if it turns out to be some new and interesting covid variant, or just a really, really horrible cold/flu/whatever.

There is a particularly nasty cold floating around, I had it last month and I know quite a few people with it at the moment. Mild fever and no body aches or persistent cough so *unlikely* to be covid (or flu, for that matter), but nose alternating between hose and concrete, and a really nasty sore throat and just massive, massive general malaise and tiredness The worst was over in a couple of days, although for me it also turned into tonsillitis which hung around for weeks (but that's a me thing, every time I get a cold it seems to hang around in either my tonsils, sinuses or ears for ages at the "mildly irritating" level - getting old is fun!).

FWIW the symptoms are exactly the same as the cold everyone had in winter 19/20 that they all swear blind makes them the first person in the country to have had covid - my theory is that everyone's forgotten just how much colds suck and between that and paranoia about Delta (and now Omicron) it all just *feels* much worse than it actually is - I mean with a couple of paracetamol and a squirt of decongestant I was straight back to normal apart from feeling a bit tired, I feel like in the Before Times I wouldn't even have noticed it.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

what a oval office

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Gammons are attacking lifeboat volunteers now.

https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1465618991611797505

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


I'm in public so cant listen to atm, but does she at least give some sort of concrete reason for why it all fell apart? Something on par with "he killed and ate my other child" perhaps?

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Strom Cuzewon posted:

I'm in public so cant listen to atm, but does she at least give some sort of concrete reason for why it all fell apart? Something on par with "he killed and ate my other child" perhaps?

seems like the core reason is that he stole some money from her purse

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out


loving hell it's even worse, they adopted brothers and separated them to put one back into the foster system

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-adopted-two-brothers-eight-years-later-we-gave-one-back-63skbcfpw

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Hogs

This loving island, a nest of pigs, cakey swine

Disgusting

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
the Times column goes into some detail:

quote:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-adopted-two-brothers-eight-years-later-we-gave-one-back-63skbcfpw

...

The major difficulties started when the elder boy started secondary school. He was not offered the “enhanced transition” arrangements that are routinely offered to children in foster care. Despite us having a meeting with the school to explain his background, it didn’t occur to them to put him on their list of “care-experienced children” for more than a year, because he was adopted.

Their lack of understanding of his needs contributed to severe repercussions at home. His behaviour changed. He cut up my clothes, he stole money not only from us but his grandparents. The lying became worse: lying not every day but sometimes every hour.

He was desperate to fit in at school, but couldn’t follow a timetable. He hid his difficulties while there, and took his frustration out on us. His school had rules, but didn’t enforce them. We had rules and did enforce them, because this brought out the best in him, but now he became resentful of our expectations. He was determined to create a chaotic environment where we were all fighting, because that’s what his past made him crave. Every night we came home to a war zone.

Then he did something really terrible involving criminal behaviour online, which destroyed the last shreds of our trust. That led to a few meetings with a youth justice worker, who decided he was at low risk of reoffending and dismissed our concerns by saying: “At least he’s not doing drugs!” I pointed out that she would never say that to a mother who was struggling with an autistic child, yet our son’s brain also worked differently because of his past.

He was doing a good enough job of fitting in at school that the professionals treated us as neurotic parents who were over-controlling and had an unhealthy interest in “discipline”. Meanwhile, every moment at home revolved around making sure he didn’t hurt himself, someone else or commit a criminal offence. When lockdown arrived, we were dreading home-schooling but, to our amazement, his behaviour improved. We became a happy family, despite the strains of the pandemic. But as soon as he went back to the classroom, the old behaviour returned.

The only support came from an experienced social worker, who was assigned to us not because we were adoptive parents but because we were also respite foster carers, taking in other children aside from our two boys. We spent all our meetings talking about our elder son, since the children being placed with us for respite care were much easier to manage. She suggested that he might have foetal alcohol spectrum disorder — in other words, brain damage caused by his mother’s drinking during her pregnancy. We were reliant on the school to support us to get a diagnosis. They said he was doing fine.

When the strain on our family became severe, we asked for respite care for him so we could have a break. It was declined. Instead, the Children’s Panel said we should get family therapy. Nobody checked whether family therapy was available where we live. It wasn’t.

The final straw was when a neighbour decided to intervene. Without our knowledge, she invited our son into her home and gave him all the things that we had restricted because he could not control himself, such as a smartphone. He immediately used it to gamble online, and there was another incident that put me at personal risk. We could no longer keep him or the rest of our family safe, and we felt there was no alternative but to ask for him to be taken into care. Even our son agreed this was the best thing.

As soon as we made that request, a well-oiled machine swung into action. He was now a foster child not an adopted child, and qualified for support. All of a sudden we were invited to monthly meetings with a panel of support workers, from guidance teachers to mentors to inclusion officers. We were now getting an abundance of respite care. But why was the system so geared up to take him into care, and not help us keep him at home?

I have since had many tragic messages from adoptive parents who have had exactly the same experience. Many said their marriage fell apart or they lost their jobs as a result of the strain they were under. According to a survey by Adoption UK, of which I am a trustee, about a third of families with older adopted children are facing severe challenges. Half of adoptive families say their child’s teachers do not have a good understanding of their needs, and 71 per cent cannot get the support they need. Returning a child to care is a last resort, and only done to prevent the whole family falling apart.

We will always be his parents, but our son is now living with the fourth set of carers he has known (and will shortly move on to the fifth). All the evidence shows that the best outcomes are achieved when children are in a stable, long-term home. Statistically, he is much more likely to commit crime and end up in prison. It’s a tragedy for him and for us. If one foster carer’s salary had been invested in a counsellor or teacher trained in trauma, not only our son but many other traumatised children could have accessed support.

There is an empty hole in our home, but it’s not entirely a black hole. I can walk in the door and leave my bag on the table. Before, I had to lock away my purse, hide the key and stash my bag safely upstairs. Our home is a happy place. We have the time to read our younger son a regular bedtime story, a luxury that had gone by the wayside as we constantly dealt with the fallout from the behaviour of our eldest.

The younger one can text or call his big brother whenever he likes and sees him every weekend — probably more quality time than many siblings have together. The younger one is a joy to parent: a poster boy for adoption. But we were able to change the course of only one of their lives. We were winning at the beginning, but when the elder boy started to struggle, the cards were stacked against us.

The system recognises the support it needs to give to children in foster care. Adoptive families take on equally challenging children, and volunteer their time, money, stability and love for free. If they get through it, they achieve the best outcomes. All they require in return is a little support and understanding.

pinch of salt etc. The subtext to the bolded question is that the adoptive parents (i.e. the author) by her own narrative could not successfully convince the school or the Scottish children's hearing that there are sufficiently severe needs that would trigger eligibility for respite care; we are not given their reasons. Maybe she really is a crazed disciplinarian who has a bee in her bonnet about her adoptee having undiagnosed FASD and continually compares him to a string of respite care fosters; certainly there have been weirder parent stories. Conversely certainly no-one ITT would automatically assume that all welfare bureaucracy is competently benevolent. Who knows? UK media human interest editorials are hardly fonts of careful and considered presentation of difficult moral questions to begin with

there's also the lede of "actually I am a trustee of a major UK adoption charity" which puts perhaps moves "adoptive parents should be given more support" into the dull_surprise.jpg category.

ronya fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Nov 30, 2021

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


goddamnedtwisto posted:

There is a particularly nasty cold floating around, I had it last month and I know quite a few people with it at the moment. Mild fever and no body aches or persistent cough so *unlikely* to be covid (or flu, for that matter), but nose alternating between hose and concrete, and a really nasty sore throat and just massive, massive general malaise and tiredness The worst was over in a couple of days, although for me it also turned into tonsillitis which hung around for weeks (but that's a me thing, every time I get a cold it seems to hang around in either my tonsils, sinuses or ears for ages at the "mildly irritating" level - getting old is fun!).

FWIW the symptoms are exactly the same as the cold everyone had in winter 19/20 that they all swear blind makes them the first person in the country to have had covid - my theory is that everyone's forgotten just how much colds suck and between that and paranoia about Delta (and now Omicron) it all just *feels* much worse than it actually is - I mean with a couple of paracetamol and a squirt of decongestant I was straight back to normal apart from feeling a bit tired, I feel like in the Before Times I wouldn't even have noticed it.

I currently have it. Did a night shift last night and it sucked big time, digging ballast when all you want to do is lay down on the ballast and go to sleep.


Brian Moore is a good egg!

Tarnop posted:

loving hell it's even worse, they adopted brothers and separated them to put one back into the foster system

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-adopted-two-brothers-eight-years-later-we-gave-one-back-63skbcfpw

After eight years they split them up? COME ON! how can you do that?

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Necrothatcher posted:

seems like the core reason is that he stole some money from her purse

Of course the thing that really sets off the booj is a vulnerable person touching their money

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The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Just Another Lurker posted:

A strange way for her to rationalise about her inability to be a parent?

Parenting is a difficult long term job/vocation, one that i decided not to go for as it's too damned hard.

So my wife and I had a baby in June, and even though this is my third daughter, it's the first baby that I've been able to bring home and raise full time.
One of the many things you learn when you do this that no one tells you about before hand is that parenting isn't a job or a calling or anything like that.
It is taking your life and just increasing the difficulty like it was a computer game. You have to look after this child, learn a bunch of new skills and languages and tasks and everything AND do all your old life stuff.
And if you want to cut corners, you can only cut out old life stuff.

It's so tough*. I love my new baby and I am so happy we did this, but there are lots of challenging times.
The idea of sending your child back because it is too much infuriates me, particularly as a parent who lost one child to stillbirth and hardly gets to see my other child due to the relationship breakdown with my-ex.

Edit: Having read the Times Article posted which gives more details I'm not sure.
The article has her make her points about how the was a difficult but reasoned decision that is designed to make you sympathise with her.
But at the same time, it's just a bit too deferential for me to be sure that we aren't getting a self serving story. On the face of it, if the boy was getting better in the structured home environment during Lockdown, wouldn't you try to keep him in that over cutting him loose and back into the Foster care system?

In the absence of more evidence, I think this article is more about the author wanting people to feel sorry for her (with a little bit of education about the Foster care system) than it is telling their story.

* = Something that is controversial but all the social welfare/tax benefits that families with children get are well earned and probably should be increased. You aren't a bad person if you decide not to have children, but you are a good person if you do have children and raise them right.

The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Nov 30, 2021

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