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TheWorldsaStage posted:Okay, it doesn't look like I'll get everything leveled in time, can someone point me to a good summary of what we learn when all the role quests are done in ShB? Sure, just off the top of my head: Cylva, the white-haired elf lady at the bar (pictured here in the 1.0 CG trailer), is actually the last, secret member of the Warriors of Light from the First. She is secretly: 1) The Shadowkeeper, the big evil overlord of the First who the Warriors of Light defeat, after she betrays them, after orchestrating their whole adventure. 2) Another survivor of the 13th, now the Void, who was plucked from that place by the Ascians Lohgrif and Mitron, who promised her that they would help prevent more worlds from being destroyed by helping to cause Rejoinings. Cylva reveals all of this, and promises to help undo the damage she did and sing the praises of the Warriors of Light she betrayed so long ago. She shows up in the background of all the role quests, but is never named or talked about directly. If you do all the role quests and the Heavensward extreme trials (except Thordan), there are more quests where Unukalhai travels to the first, and works together with Cylva and the kid from the magic DPS role quests who can make portals to the void. They're trying to work on saving the Void and making it safe for human habitation again.
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In all honesty, the only thing I think will really stick in people's craw in Endwalker is whatever ends up actually happening with Zodiark and Hydaelyn. A bunch of people have a bunch of different opinions and feelings about the situation and no end point will satisfy everyone.
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Nov 30, 2021 17:53
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Awesome, thank y'all!
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Nov 30, 2021 17:59
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there's story behind extreme trials??
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Nov 30, 2021 18:03
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The quests to unlock the extreme warring triad quests don't require that you beat the encounter, but they do involve a central character to the void quests. You just turn it in, complete the quest, and get the unlock for extreme. They probably just want you to deal with all of their stuff before hand. Hmm, it does look like you do need to defeat Bismark Ex and Ravana Ex to finish their quests, and they are prereqs. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 30, 2021 |
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Nov 30, 2021 18:07
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The quests to unlock the extreme warring triad quests don't require that you beat the encounter, but they do involve a central character to the void quests. You just turn it in, complete the quest, and get the unlock for extreme. Ravana Ex is pretty easy to solo at 80. Bismark Ex is tougher, but super easy to duo.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:12
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And if you do all that stuff before the 5.3 cutscene where you get to pick which role quest-giver shows up at your room for a chat, Cylva is an option and justifiably PISSED at the situation.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LECWPFztWQw
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Nov 30, 2021 18:19
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Bruceski posted:And if you do all that stuff before the 5.3 cutscene where you get to pick which role quest-giver shows up at your room for a chat, Cylva is an option and justifiably PISSED at the situation. Neat, I did it all after so I'll have to re-watch that cutscene
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Nov 30, 2021 18:23
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TheWorldsaStage posted:Awesome, thank y'all! To add to that, she's the odd character out in the cinematics, appearing in 1.0 but not End of an Era/A Realm Reborn. At first this wasn't a big deal but then people began to realize that the party members stuck around between the two, leaving just her the odd one out. The party of five is already weird with two tanks so not a big deal right? And they don't appear in cinematics afterwards and then BAM Warriors of Darkness in HW. Well, after some really wild speculation since it's more of a clever reference then a "Midlander is canon" revelation, it mostly died down until it came up again in ShB because a few people who paid attention noticed a certain few NPCs in the Crystarium. It's really a minor touch but it's great because there's these little details that lined up in a certain way (No female elezen in the EoE cinematic) that they then turned into foreshadowing and they got the speculation engine all fired up with what is at most a fun nod/cameo from the cinematics party(s). There's never an attempt to line things up perfectly by saying their party was actually on the Source or did that poo poo. It's a fun cameo you can spot coming miles away even if you don't realize it at the time. It's basically the devs giving a nod to the people who find these tiny details and encouraging more of that kind of engagement.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:29
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Rap Game Goku posted:Ravana Ex is pretty easy to solo at 80. Bismark Ex is tougher, but super easy to duo. Specifically for Bismarck, you need to burst down one of the two sanuwa ASAP, so time your poo poo towards it.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:31
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Argas posted:Specifically for Bismarck, you need to burst down one of the two sanuwa ASAP, so time your poo poo towards it. If you're on a tank or otherwise sustainable class then failing to burn one down (or close to done) before they get their proximity damage reduction is doable but slooooooooooooooooooow and adds a lot more time for you to misstep.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:34
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Bruceski posted:And if you do all that stuff before the 5.3 cutscene where you get to pick which role quest-giver shows up at your room for a chat, Cylva is an option and justifiably PISSED at the situation. FuturePastNow posted:Neat, I did it all after so I'll have to re-watch that cutscene Yeah, anyone that has the capability to check that scene with her, should. It's a nice bit for her.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:41
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Mordiceius posted:So here’s what I’m wondering - do you all think the ending of Endwalker be seen as controversial by a substantial number of players? even irrespective of what happens in the plot broadly, there are so many people online who think character X has to die while character Y can absolutely not die, as a matter of arcs and narrative structure, that at least some of them have to end up disappointed when zenos not only doesn't die but lives forever as the new word of the mother. speaking of hydaelyn: what exactly do the scions think of hydaelyn prior to 5.0? they're some of the only ones to call her the mothercrystal, and iirc they accord importance to the echo, which they (like most people who have any contact with it) think of as hydaelyn's blessing or gift. But is she a god? the spirit of the planet? what do people think it means to be "hydaelyn's champion" before we learn she's basically a very very big primal? I can't tell if I've forgotten all this or it's just never quite conveyed. Religion in general feels so sort of intentionally vague in FFXIV, save that the Garleans are literally militant atheists.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:51
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I quite liked Cylva’s 1.0 design and it inspired me to play as an Elezen for a while. In-game I think she looks weird as poo poo though. Like Elezen.
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Nov 30, 2021 19:00
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Begemot posted:
not 100% on this but I believe extreme nidhogg can also be skipped for this purpose
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Nov 30, 2021 19:24
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Ruzihm posted:not 100% on this but I believe extreme nidhogg can also be skipped for this purpose You also don't have to actually do the ex Warring Triad fights just complete the quests that unlock them.
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Nov 30, 2021 19:27
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I swear this sounds like yet another iteration of the persistent confusion about the Heavensward Warring Triad quests that stems from their confusing unlock order.
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Nov 30, 2021 19:29
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Right, not Nidhogg either. The long and short of it is that you have to do all the quests that Unukalhai is involved in back on the Source because he has to be able to leave the Solarium and go to the First. They're so picky about moving NPCs, it's the same reason the MSQ forces you to do the hard mode trials, to allow Urianger to leave the Waking Sands. Meanwhile, Gerolt is allowed to be in like ten different locations at the same time!
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Nov 30, 2021 19:41
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Gotta maintain a lot of gigs to keep up with his incredible debt
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Nov 30, 2021 19:45
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I think that the EW ending will be controversial in the same way a lot of endings to nerd media are controversial, where it won't match the projection of what it should be in some people's heads and they're going to get mad about it.
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Nov 30, 2021 19:55
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Begemot posted:Right, not Nidhogg either. I mean Urianger is still there now for me, urging me to pick up some quest I never did for ARR. I think the relics? Because I farmed the extremes for ponies. He gives the starting quest for the Extremes and the Relic so he can absolutely be hanging out there and the First/the Rising Stones at the same time.
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Nov 30, 2021 20:23
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Blockhouse posted:I think that the EW ending will be controversial in the same way a lot of endings to nerd media are controversial, where it won't match the projection of what it should be in some people's heads and they're going to get mad about it. yea FF is good with endings (imo at least), I think they will wrap this story up nicely, but some folks will complain loudly because they've already written the ending they want in their heads and will be upset when Natsuko Ishikawa doesn't use her magic mind reading ray and transcribe it.
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Nov 30, 2021 20:26
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oh well i think I’ve done every ! symbol so if I don’t have to clear the extreme duty I guess I’ll get there
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Nov 30, 2021 20:30
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I honestly have NO idea what to expect from the ending. I have zero expecations of what will happen with Hydalen and Zodiark, Fandaniel, the Ascian stuff, if our planet will be okay, etc. I expect Thancred to die but who even knows Literally the only thing 100% I'm confidant on is Zenos will die. I don't even have any expectations that Fandaniel will die! I think the only thing 100% set in stone is Zenos' death. I can't even imagine what kind of ending people have in their heads cause I just can't even guess what it'll be
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Nov 30, 2021 20:33
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Yeah I feel the same. I don't have nearly enough of an idea where I think or want it to go to feel disappointed!
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Nov 30, 2021 20:36
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sexpig by night posted:yea FF is good with endings (imo at least), I think they will wrap this story up nicely, but some folks will complain loudly because they've already written the ending they want in their heads and will be upset when Natsuko Ishikawa doesn't use her magic mind reading ray and transcribe it. Well as long as the WoL doesn't have a fit of pique and kick a beachball-shaped landmine, I think the ending will be well received.
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SirPhoebos posted:Well as long as the WoL doesn't have a fit of pique and kick a beachball-shaped landmine, I think the ending will be well received. yea to be clear I think the majority of players are in this situation Regy Rusty posted:Yeah I feel the same. I don't have nearly enough of an idea where I think or want it to go to feel disappointed! just agreeing that there will always be a few nerds who make the ending of any IP 'controversial' just because they're mad they couldn't magically 100% predict what will happen before launch and consider that a failing of writing.
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I think the only way I could be disappointed is if they lean super hard into the WoL being some kind of messianic chosen one or feel the need to draw straight lines from every major NPC to an Ancient and say explicitly who everyone is shards of.
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Nov 30, 2021 21:22
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Yeah if everyone becomes a reincarnated Ascian that's lame, though I will accept one (the twins count as one for this). I will also accept "Azem's soul didn't reunify, you know, it is part of others now... including the greatest hero of the Scions..." "Tataru Taru." And that's when the Mega-Carbuncle shows up.
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Nov 30, 2021 21:29
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I've been assuming, based on vague population estimates, that most or all people are reincarnated ancients, but not of anyone important and not in a way that really matters
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Nov 30, 2021 21:32
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Qwertycoatl posted:I've been assuming, based on vague population estimates, that most or all people are reincarnated ancients, but not of anyone important and not in a way that really matters Most of the scions we know aren't, because they didn't gain the echo during the starshower in Norvrandt. That can probably be extrapolated to much of the Source's population.
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Nov 30, 2021 21:36
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Qwertycoatl posted:I've been assuming, based on vague population estimates, that most or all people are reincarnated ancients, but not of anyone important and not in a way that really matters But there's ancients in that sense, and Ancients in the sense of "people from Amaurot," and then the even narrower quantity of "potential Ascians." If I had to guess, the soul vibrations that let you get the Echo if you see a starshower are "you were an Amaurotine at the time of the Final Days, even if you weren't high-ranking or anything."
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Nov 30, 2021 21:39
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Wait, Zenos is gonna be a shard of Fandaniel, isn't he  That's why Fandaniel is so hosed up, some kind of weird-rear end soul feedback
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Nov 30, 2021 21:43
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Well it's still possible that Y'shtola is Hylodtheus. Given they share the same laugh and a lot of speech patterns.
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Nov 30, 2021 21:51
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I don't think it's possible at all, she didn't manifest the echo and was clearly present for the starshower, so she's not a shard of any amaurotine
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Mister Olympus posted:I don't think it's possible at all, she didn't manifest the echo and was clearly present for the starshower, so she's not a shard of any amaurotine Not sure if her aether vision is similar enough to trigger it Then again she was at the Calamity before that, which is close enough I'd guess
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Nov 30, 2021 22:10
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In 1.0 she had the Echo, clearly that’s why they uploaded the intro movie. 
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Nov 30, 2021 22:13
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turns out all the other scions are fragments of zenos this will lead to the controversial zenos everywhere mechanic of 7.0
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Aether probably works like biomass. While there were Amaurotians at the Final Days, there was a lot lot lot lot more aether running around as ants or dogs or grass or whatever and while these are significantly less aether dense there’s just a lot more of it. So as aether gets recycled and souls get formed from the lifestream and turned into people only a small% of that aether can be traced back to Final Days Amaurotian.
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