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its HIM posted:The questioner posted a response in the AMA thread which, I poo poo you not, was that they deliberately avoided any information about the show in an attempt to avoid potential spoilers, so “how was I supposed to know?” Hold up. They've read the books, and expected a 1:1 adaptation, but avoided reading anything about the show. To avoid spoilers. About a show based on a series they've read and expected a 1:1 adaptation. What?
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Devorum posted:Hold up. They've read the books, and expected a 1:1 adaptation, but avoided reading anything about the show. To avoid spoilers. About a show based on a series they've read and expected a 1:1 adaptation. Don't go on social media. Humanity isn't equipped to hear the dumbass opinions of millions of random people everyday. Imagine walking around everyday and hearing all the birds talking to you and affirming everything you feel.
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Devorum posted:Hold up. They've read the books, and expected a 1:1 adaptation, but avoided reading anything about the show. To avoid spoilers. About a show based on a series they've read and expected a 1:1 adaptation. The Wheel turns, and what was old and irrelevant becomes relevant once again: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/04/27/the-song-of-something-something Edit: I like the optimism in that comic, the assumption that the books would stay ahead of the TV series until the end.
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I wasn't sure how I felt about this song when I first heard it. Maybe it was because it was sort of "southern-y"? A lifetime of watching fantasy films has led me to believe everyone should have vaguely British accents... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSOmKtBdV2w But I've watched it at least 11 times today. It's so hauntingly beautiful and sad. I love everything about this scene. Especially the way he just gets up and leaves at the end like a total boss.
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Dec 1, 2021 04:40
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More like Thom Waits
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Grundulum posted:The Wheel turns, and what was old and irrelevant becomes relevant once again: But now we have an example of what happens when showrunners decide to deviate from source and improvise. Why would anyone worry about WoT improvising after seeing the genius of GoT season 8?
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It's the difference between an editor and a ghostwriter. Either can be good or bad. The creative team behind GoT was a pretty drat good editor but couldn't hack it as ghostwriters. In retrospect, they should have brought on some new talent to adapt the books.
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Pyromancer posted:But now we have an example of what happens when showrunners decide to deviate from source and improvise. we have the same example from the WOT team in the very last episode, which ruled
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:It's the difference between an editor and a ghostwriter. Either can be good or bad. The creative team behind GoT was a pretty drat good editor but couldn't hack it as ghostwriters. In retrospect, they should have brought on some new talent to adapt the books. That does make sense.  I would have asked if any of the writing team had responded to Dave Hill's input with that legendary phrase.
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buffalo all day posted:we have the same example from the WOT team in the very last episode, which ruled And which was written by Dave Hill!
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Dec 1, 2021 15:14
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I don't think they personally write individual episodes.
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Dec 1, 2021 15:16
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Collateral posted:I don't think they personally write individual episodes. he's got the credit. not sure how their writer's room specifically works but i believe that generally means he wrote the base script before it no doubt was revised by a million people
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Collateral posted:I don't think they personally write individual episodes. He's credited on the episode as "written for television by Dave Hill". I assume that means he was the lead writer for the episode. The end credits also list Celine Song as "staff writer." Plus, https://twitter.com/sarahenakamura/status/1464408095979819010?s=20
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Dec 1, 2021 15:26
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I though they just raffled the credits. No one person writes an entire episode. That's crazy talk.
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Collateral posted:I though they just raffled the credits. No one person writes an entire episode. That's crazy talk. again no idea how their specific process works but people do write entire episodes routinely in tv production, it's not like it's some insurmountable task like they get assigned to do an episode that's already been broken by the room, then their written product is the first serious draft that gets revised eke out fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Yeah TV writing is collaborative process but each episode will still have one person taking the lead in putting the script together
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Hey a big part of getting way too into a TV show is convincing each other that we can tell individual writers' styles
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For most scripted shows they work out major season beats in the writers room and then individuals (or pairs) will write episodes. Those episodes are heavily reworked or rewritten in the room, but the original writer comes up with what is essentially a first draft of the episode and still has to be responsible for a certain percentage of the writing to get credit, I believe it's 33%.
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Dec 1, 2021 16:03
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Data Graham posted:Hey a big part of getting way too into a TV show is convincing each other that we can tell individual writers' styles Works for books, too. Some people complained that Brandon Sanderson whiffed on characterization in the final three books, only to have him come out and say “yeah, some of those passages you all are complaining about? Those are Jordan originals.”
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Grundulum posted:Works for books, too. Some people complained that Brandon Sanderson whiffed on characterization in the final three books, only to have him come out and say “yeah, some of those passages you all are complaining about? Those are Jordan originals.” That was one of my favorite bits on thrones, in the scene where Brienne fights the bear in Harrenhall. People were whinging left right and center about "The CGI for the bear was terrible!!!" It was an actual real rear end bear.
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Grundulum posted:Works for books, too. Some people complained that Brandon Sanderson whiffed on characterization in the final three books, only to have him come out and say “yeah, some of those passages you all are complaining about? Those are Jordan originals.” To be fair, generally what was happening there was that they were Jordan rough drafts that he hadn't had time to polish, but that were close enough to "final" that Sanderson didn't want to make major changes. So people saw the flaws, assumed they were Sanderson being bad, and got whiny. Sanderson isn't bad, or at least not trivially bad in that way! But his writing style is significantly different from Jordan's. You usually can tell which passage is which but not based on quality as such, more things like word choice (e.g., Jordan never uses the word "politics") or for lack of a better term "camera angle" (Jordan always writes very specifically from a given character's perspective; Sanderson moves the camera about more like a movie director). Gwaihir posted:That was one of my favorite bits on thrones, in the scene where Brienne fights the bear in Harrenhall. People were whinging left right and center about "The CGI for the bear was terrible!!!" Yeah there were similar complaints about the trolloc CGI and they're like 90% practical effects. Apparently one big issue is that Amazon's compression algorithm for streaming is not great so a lot of the complaints about the show were due to that Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Anyway, https://twitter.com/PrimeVideoIN/status/1466044412992102402?s=20
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Apparently one big issue is that Amazon's compression algorithm for streaming is not great so a lot of the complaints about the show were due to that I do notice a lot of shadow banding stuff in dark scenes when streaming. I'd really like to be able to get higher bitrate versions of these eps, especially considering all my screens are stuff like Plasma or OLED that are specifically good for stuff like this. Shadar logoth was pretty notable here, it just felt a bit muddy.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:You usually can tell which passage is which but not based on quality as such, more things like word choice (e.g., Jordan never uses the word "politics") 
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Yeah same I'd read that post in the middle of the books and once primed to notice it saw it multiple times in books prior to 12 lol
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:For most scripted shows they work out major season beats in the writers room and then individuals (or pairs) will write episodes. Those episodes are heavily reworked or rewritten in the room, but the original writer comes up with what is essentially a first draft of the episode and still has to be responsible for a certain percentage of the writing to get credit, I believe it's 33%. Ah ok thats it, there are some SAG rules about it I'm sure.
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Rand will use his Superpower to easily win this contest for Takeshi Castle gameshow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqGix8fTKv8
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Winning Takeshi's Castle? He must be the Chosen One!
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Gwaihir posted:I do notice a lot of shadow banding stuff in dark scenes when streaming. I'd really like to be able to get higher bitrate versions of these eps, especially considering all my screens are stuff like Plasma or OLED that are specifically good for stuff like this. Shadar logoth was pretty notable here, it just felt a bit muddy. Yeah it’s kinda weird IMO that for one of their premier shows (that they dumped a poo poo load of money into) they didn’t significantly up the bitrate. Like it looks ok on my 4K ATV but the Apple TV+ shows look significantly better.
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah it’s kinda weird IMO that for one of their premier shows (that they dumped a poo poo load of money into) they didn’t significantly up the bitrate. From real world tests looks like Apple TV has one of the higher bitrates for 4K streaming: https://samagame.com/00/en/which-st...ther-platforms/ Foundation looked really amazing in 4K
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I was wondering what’s up with that. I noticed some crappy looking shadows and such on my OLED with an Apple TV 4K and wondered if I had something misconfigured. Can confirm that foundation is stunning on it
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rafikki posted:I was wondering what’s up with that. I noticed some crappy looking shadows and such on my OLED with an Apple TV 4K and wondered if I had something misconfigured. Can confirm that foundation is stunning on it Yeah I honestly had to go in and check my settings because I thought something was wrong. Guess not! I’d definitely be interested in seeing this show on Blu Ray or something.
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Rarity posted:Winning Takeshi's Castle? He must be the Chosen One! Right you are, Ken!
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The real test for being the Dragon Reborn ? 
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Unusually strong dick & balls vibes from the tower there.
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etalian posted:The real test for being the Dragon Reborn ? When you think about it Takeshi's Castle is the closest we're ever going to get to real life Squid Games
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withak posted:Unusually strong dick & balls vibes from the tower there.
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Rarity posted:When you think about it Takeshi's Castle is the closest we're ever going to get to real life Squid Games Especially how most of the Takeshi's Castle games were designed to thin the herd in the most hilarious ways possible and were games of chance.
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Rarity posted:When you think about it Takeshi's Castle is the closest we're ever going to get to real life Squid Games Actually some youtuber did a squid game with squibs instead of bullets if you lose. Put up like $458 grand for the winner.
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Just watched the first four episodes with my wife, and we decided to stick with it. - Intro/credits is derivative of GoT broadly, but the weaving metaphor is a nice touch and the visuals are quite striking. - The Moraine opening was clumsy. Either the Foretelling or the original prologue would have been far better. At least it was quick; "momentum" in general seems to be a thing they were going for. I hope it slows down once in a while and gives things time to breathe. - Emond's Field was strangely jumbled ethnically for a place that's been an isolated, provincial backwater for 2,000 years, so far off the beaten path that the yearly trader visit ("omg an outsider!") is the cause of excitement. It was nice that everyone in the show wasn't white, since Jordan always went out of his way to emphasize how mixed the world as a whole was, but I would have preferred if they were consistent in the village: all SE Asian, all black, whatever. Admittedly a quibble, along with fantasy English accents for all. - That Two Rivers bow didn't seem all that impressive. - The post-apocalyptic window dressing is nice. - They've removed most of what makes Nynaeve annoying, which has also served to make her a bit more bland. Overall I think it's an improvement, even if I wish she was a bit more thorny. - Where is Moraine getting rumours of Ta'veren in the equivalent of Boise Idaho from that would cause her to divert to such an out of the way place on her quest, especially since no one actually in Boise seems to have any idea that it's the case because nothing is happening there along those lines? It's lazy writing for the sake of convenience and I hope not a sign of things to come. - I enjoyed Dana's motivation for being a Darkfriend; it felt pretty rooted in her and her place, even if it's the reasoning of another as we learn later. - Matt staring at the shadow and saying "I see you..." was a great bit. I like Matt in general here. (As an aside, his finding a dagger in Shadar Logoth makes me wonder who actually looted a demonic hellhole like that, since the place seems stripped to the bone; certainly it wasn't the place itself, which doesn't seem to touch non-organics.) The changes made so far vs the books seem solid to me. Making the Dragon possibly male or female is a simple expedient to enlarge the potential number of candidates and thus keep non-book watchers guessing; the writing is clearly leaning into throwing out red herrings on this and generally making the mystery a bigger deal than any book reader would expect. Perrin having a wife and killing her was an interesting choice rather than just making him have the motivation out of general personality characteristic reasons. More screentime to Logain makes sense in that he'll be easier to remember down the road vs. having him showing up however many episodes or seasons later and being only supported by a "hey, remember that false Dragon dude we briefly mentioned as being captured offscreen at the show's beginning?". No ageless Aes Sedai is not surprising, considering what a pain in the rear end that would have been to implement. Making the cast older changes the overall tone and allows them to have more capable actors. And so on. The only thing I miss is Thom's fabulous moustaches; I expected some serious Sam Elliott energy. Give the guy some facial hair you cowards. My biggest complaint is that the show generally lacks good dialogue. It's serviceable, but not memorable, and some of the bits are outright clunky. It moves, but it doesn't sing: people won't be quoting this show, making a lot of memes of it, etc to the same degree. People talk about GoT actors like Peter Dinklage and how good they were, but a lot of what made characters like that memorable were not the actors (as good as they often were) but the lines put in their mouths or the story beats surrounding them. WoT looks to have the story beats, but not the lines. Mostly I hope they hire better writers to give people some memorable dialogue. Jordan was not the same calibre of writer as Martin in that regard, and so writers have less to draw off of. Xotl fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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