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Pilfered Pallbearers fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 08:22
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Oh, that ASRock X299e-ITX/AC board is much better for the home user from a features standpoint, and you can find some on ebay. Though you're still paying an exorbitant amount for the CPU and mobo together just so you can have an SFF PC with 4 DIMMs lmao. Oh, and they look like SO-DIMM slots. I can't really find anything else viable, so it's best to give up on this idea. Especially if you're looking for 4 regular DIMM slots, which doesn't seem to exist at all in this form factor.
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Dec 2, 2021 08:42
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Rinkles posted:I'm not great at parsing the logs, but there were multiple errors related to the wifi module. Uninstalling the device and its drivers resulted in a much more reasonable boot time. Windows automatically reinstalls them, so any subsequent reboot after that was again a minute long (I tested it 3 times to be certain). No problem. At least you can be sure the wifi module really is messed up.
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Dec 2, 2021 08:45
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Tangential question, what's the reason I've seen 2 dimm slot motherboards considered good for overclocking?
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Dec 2, 2021 08:45
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Rinkles posted:Tangential question, what's the reason I've seen 2 dimm slot motherboards considered good for overclocking? I don't understand RAM poo poo in the slightest but when mad men do extreme CPU overclocking involving liquid nitrogen and all that other jazz they do it on very expensive motherboards designed for that purpose which only have 2 RAM slots because that works better and enables the RAM and CPU to be pushed to faster speeds. Obviously what extreme overclockers are doing isn't relevant to your average user.
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Dec 2, 2021 10:51
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yeah i was just asking out of curiosity. but iirc, the 2 dimm slot advantage might even hold for regular itx mobos, not just oc focused ones.
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Dec 2, 2021 10:58
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Rinkles posted:I'm not great at parsing the logs, but there were multiple errors related to the wifi module. Uninstalling the device and its drivers resulted in a much more reasonable boot time. Windows automatically reinstalls them, so any subsequent reboot after that was again a minute long (I tested it 3 times to be certain). Have you tried disabling wifi in Device Manager?
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Dec 2, 2021 12:15
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Rinkles posted:yeah i was just asking out of curiosity. but iirc, the 2 dimm slot advantage might even hold for regular itx mobos, not just oc focused ones. Again I know very little about this but I would think what extreme overclockers are doing has very little relevance to the average users' use case. They're just chasing the biggest number, stability and all the other metrics that are important for normal day to day usage aren't relevant. That said, I also think that worrying about 2 vs 4 slots is also extremely unimportant for basically everyone and I've yet to see any benchmarks or charts that make me want to give a poo poo about RAM overclocking, especially combined with the reams of people who do it saying its a huge amount of effort for almost no performance gain and is instead just a niche hobby done as an outlet for the urge to tinker and eke every last bit of performance out of the available parts. Getting decently fast RAM and making sure XMP is enabled should be enough for 99% of people. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 12:23
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Butterfly Valley posted:Again I know very little about this but I would think what extreme overclockers are doing has very little relevance to the average users' use case. They're just chasing the biggest number, stability and all the other metrics that are important for normal day to day usage aren't relevant. I don't think it'll ever be relevant to me, I'm just interested in the technology. Saukkis posted:Have you tried disabling wifi in Device Manager? Nope, but that worked (for improving boot times). Not that it matters much because I'll hopefully be replacing the motherboard tomorrow. Will I have to use a microfiber cloth to clean the cooler and cpu contacts? Paper towels probably a bad idea? Rinkles fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 12:36
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Butterfly Valley posted:
Unless you're using aorus boards, then you might need to manually set dram voltage to 1.35v (or whatever the stick's voltage is), enabling xmp won't set it to the correct number in a lot of cases even though it's meant to. So you'd turn on XMP and the dram voltage still stays at the default of 1.2v, thus failing to boot in a lot of cases. Doesn't affect everyone but it's a high enough number that you see frequent complaints of it here and elsewhere.
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Dec 2, 2021 13:38
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Rinkles posted:Tangential question, what's the reason I've seen 2 dimm slot motherboards considered good for overclocking? 2 sticks is significantly easier to OC stable then 4. For stuff like extreme OC, less variables to worry about generally = better. And for most extreme OC stuff, the ram is only there cause they have no other choice. CPU/GPU targets are generally what they’re after.
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Dec 2, 2021 15:16
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it's very dependant on the motherboard too, something to do with how it splits the slots? on lower end motherboards, even those with 4 slots, two is better, on higher end motherboards 4 can be fine.
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Dec 2, 2021 15:25
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LTT did a pretty decent explanation of the two different ways motherboards handle 4 sticks of ram (daisy chaining and t-topology). Actually, the whole thing was really interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxGqGCtPxn4 Alan Smithee posted:god I wish AMD would find a better numbering scheme for CPU Yeah, I always have to check Wikipedia to figure out what's Zen, Zen+, Zen2 and Zen3.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:27
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A friend of mine snagged a 3060Ti with the last Best Buy drop so he's gonna sell me his 3060 for what he paid, so I'm back to building a system (hurray!) I kind of wanted to try sticking it in my current 2600k system for a while before doing a full new build, but when I mentioned that earlier someone suggested that the power supply might be near EOL. Am I risking the card if I don't switch that out, or is it more of a it might just not turn on eventually kinda thing? It's a Corsair HX650 fwiw. edit: also when I was looking at the PSU model I rediscovered my fine case modification to make the R9 290 fit 
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Dec 2, 2021 18:29
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powderific posted:A friend of mine snagged a 3060Ti with the last Best Buy drop so he's gonna sell me his 3060 for what he paid, so I'm back to building a system (hurray!) What was the warranty period on the PSU when you bought it? If it's within that, then I'd say you're fine. The PSU is the one component that can take other parts of your PC down with it if it spectacularly fucks up, rare though that is, hence the general erring on the side of caution.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:32
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friend gave up and bought a build 3 3090s 2 32 core gold xeon intel 348 gigs ram $17000 
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Dec 2, 2021 18:55
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Dec 2, 2021 18:59
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if anyone is getting pantsed by their wallet may i suggest lightening the load with a mobo ddr5 combo https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4414816&quicklink=true OOS Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 19:00
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Alan Smithee posted:friend gave up and bought a build Edit: wait, it was a build? Like a server build? Oh my god what is happening 
mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 19:04
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:I'm a big idiot and need to know what your friend plans on doing with these parts that he bought for the price of a dealership econocar. CG artist (Zbrush character model sculpter) it definitely doesn't warrant the cost and I tried very very hard to direct him to 3090s at Best Buy/Microcenter but he's the one who made 30 grand upfront for a NFT commission (with the promise of 30 grand more on delivery) and not me so... not sure if he's using as server too
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Dec 2, 2021 19:07
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Alan Smithee posted:CG artist (Zbrush character model sculpter) Holy poo poo
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Dec 2, 2021 19:15
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Alan Smithee posted:friend gave up and bought a build I would like to know what for, really, simply to see if I could (simulate) build a better one for that budget with one caveat: I’d shop where MS devs play tested Flight Simulator. His rig would be solid at 60fps, though  Edit: I’m not surprised at the answer, as far as vocation. Specifically for NFTs, though? I want to sell him my NEC MobilePro 780. Can’t remember specs offhand, but I know I saw MSPaint on there. DerekSmartymans fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 06:20
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NFTs, the latest rich peoples' scheme for money laundering that somehow nerds think they can be a part of Truly pathetic
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Dec 3, 2021 09:02
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I haven't bought a single thing of Bitcoin, but even I remember saying things like that back in 2010. Now those fuckers are keeping me from a reasonably priced GPU. 
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Dec 3, 2021 10:21
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DerekSmartymans posted:I would like to know what for, really, simply to see if I could (simulate) build a better one for that budget with one caveat: I’d shop where MS devs play tested Flight Simulator. His rig would be solid at 60fps, though not specifically though I'm sure it was a catalyst another friend bought 6 3090s at scalper price so he could do some NFT poo poo back in late april. I think he made roughly the same amount despite the effort he put into rendering a whole drat animated short (compared to monkey swap poo poo)
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Dec 3, 2021 17:28
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Alan Smithee posted:not specifically though I'm sure it was a catalyst get less stupid friends
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Dec 3, 2021 17:45
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It's depressing shopping for cases on amazon and a bunch of the best-selling cases are like "crypto bitcoin mining rig open air support for 8 GPUs"
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Dec 3, 2021 17:59
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im getting word that DDR5 is at Best Buys now in low quantities might be worth dropping in if you're looking
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Dec 3, 2021 18:03
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Butterfly Valley posted:get less stupid friends Is it even stupid at this point? I have a spare computer that I could turn into a mining rig and it's getting harder and harder to ignore the siren call. I have exactly 0 personal use for crypto, but it just keeps getting bigger and I feel like I'm literally leaving money on the table by not just mining and selling right away.
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Dec 3, 2021 18:16
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:Is it even stupid at this point? I have a spare computer that I could turn into a mining rig and it's getting harder and harder to ignore the siren call. Electricity cost generally outweighs any crypto gain unless you’re on self sufficient solar.
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Dec 3, 2021 18:17
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I wasn't going to get into the details, but I'm in a unique situation where, due to an old building, I don't pay based on consumption. The bill has never exceeded $50. The downside is that I don't have access to the breaker box. Any trips have to be flipped by maintenance. VVV That's been my take too, but capitalism makes fools of us all. LASER BEAM DREAM fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 19:20
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Personally, I just don't want to touch the poop. (Not that a 970 would be much of a mining card).
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Dec 3, 2021 19:27
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Electricity cost generally outweighs any crypto gain unless you’re on self sufficient solar. Using the Nicehash calculator, I could make $120~ a month mining on my 3070 even in NYC where rates are comparatively higher... but I still wouldn't, because you know, the planet. And I don't want to put strain on my card.
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Dec 3, 2021 20:25
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Butterfly Valley posted:get less stupid friends And what do you do for money
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Dec 3, 2021 21:23
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Alan Smithee posted:And what do you do for money not contribute to global environmental ruin for minimal personal financial gain
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Dec 3, 2021 22:52
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I ordered a white corsair 4000d and what got to me is I think an eclipse 400a (black). On one hand I ordered non-airflow so this feels a littlelikesaving myself from myself but its a little deflating not getting what you wanted. That white solid looked so good. I think I'm keeping this but looking it up it seems like you can't put a radiator on top in this? It came with three fans so I think it's the rgb version if that somehow makes a difference. Seems more or less the same though I guessssss.
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Dec 4, 2021 02:50
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change my name posted:Using the Nicehash calculator, I could make $120~ a month mining on my 3070 even in NYC where rates are comparatively higher... but I still wouldn't, because you know, the planet. Imagine ruining a working 30xx series card for $120/mo. Every time you’d want to play Chorvs you’d have to run a cost/benefits analysis! quote:And I don't want to put strain on my card. I saw! Didn’t mean “you” specifically!
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Dec 4, 2021 02:56
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Oh god it was such a relief to see wifi pop up after logging in. I'm an idiot and screwed up installing the cooler. I mounted it twice (each time with fresh paste) before realizing the reason the cooler was loose was because I forgot to put on the thumbscrews to secure the mounting brackets in place. Whole lot of wasted thermal paste, but at least I noticed it. Anyway, awesome! I was so afraid something else was loving up the wifi, but it immediately showed up on first boot.
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Dec 4, 2021 02:57
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nice, is it booting quick again?
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Dec 4, 2021 02:57
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kater posted:I ordered a white corsair 4000d and what got to me is I think an eclipse 400a (black). On one hand I ordered non-airflow so this feels a littlelikesaving myself from myself but its a little deflating not getting what you wanted. That white solid looked so good. I think I'm keeping this but looking it up it seems like you can't put a radiator on top in this? It came with three fans so I think it's the rgb version if that somehow makes a difference. Where’d you buy it from? Case shipping is so expensive they may ship you what you ordered and tell you to keep that. Worth reaching out.
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Dec 4, 2021 03:39
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