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fadam posted:IMO Arena's biggest strength is its relationship to the paper game, and every move they make that diverges the two is a mistake. All the digital only Horizons cards were a pretty big dud, so the only impact they had was they blew opportunities to put cooler legacy cards in and now made it technically impossible to have Historic tournaments in paper. All this does is cause bigger divergence between the two games and fragment the player base. Yes this is 100% correct. But you can't expect them to see their pet cards they misevaluated bomb and be ignored, can you?
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I don't like any of this.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:17
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for me arena's biggest strengths are that i don't have to pay 300 dollars for standard deck and i don't have to get called a tr*nny by some loser at an LGS. the digital only stuff is good & cool. the boomer formats aren't changing or going anywhere so i don't know what all the hubbub is about.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:20
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510rems posted:for me arena's biggest strengths are that i don't have to pay 300 dollars for standard deck and i don't have to get called a tr*nny by some loser at an LGS. The only boomer format on Arena is changing.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:21
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Imagine if instead of designing/testing all these new lovely cards, they just dumped in a shitload of random Legacy legal cards with the expectation that anything overpowered will get banned. Remember how everyone loved MA and basically everyone ended up either hating or being completely indifferent to all the HJS poo poo?
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Dec 3, 2021 00:26
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I’m just gonna play Runeterra from now on for digital fun, it’s a far better client anyways. This is a pretty dire bait and switch with the promise of Arena imo
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Dec 3, 2021 00:30
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Koirhor posted:I’m just gonna play Runeterra from now on for digital fun, it’s a far better client anyways. Hey man, they never said they weren't going to go chasing the shadow of a game people stopped playing in favour of an Auto Chess variant over a year ago.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:31
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Yeah, I'm probably out tbh.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:34
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So I honestly cannot tell, is Historic still going to have the untouched versions of cards or is it all Alchemy versions?
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Dec 3, 2021 00:40
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ShaneB posted:So I honestly cannot tell, is Historic still going to have the untouched versions of cards or is it all Alchemy versions? I'm looking for official confirmation. The people on Twitter posting pictures of cards are all saying its Alchemy versions.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:42
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ShaneB posted:So I honestly cannot tell, is Historic still going to have the untouched versions of cards or is it all Alchemy versions? from the way its written historic will have the alchemy based version of the card. you will get a non-alchemy version that you can play in non-digital-only formats.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:45
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[ ] Tournament support [ ] Spectator mode [ ] Fixing random hitches with certain spells (Fatal Push) [ ] Pioneer cards [ ] Making the client not run like absolute poo poo [ ] Keeping a 1:1 relationship with the world's longest lasting card game. [ ] Maintaining the integrity of Arena's only 'Eternal' format. [X] Epic random Hearthstone-style cards. Folks, looks like WotC Digital understood the assignment 
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Dec 3, 2021 00:46
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Yeah they just sort of confirmed on stream that historic uses the alchemy versions as the legal version for the format.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:47
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ShaneB posted:Yeah they just sort of confirmed on stream that historic uses the alchemy versions as the legal version for the format. 
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Dec 3, 2021 00:49
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Unfortunately this seems like another way to not give wildcards for cards getting banned or whatever in standard if they screw up. You know what would be really cool? If instead of this stupid format they worked toward actual multiplayer so folks could play some kinda commander-like thing.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:57
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fadam posted:[ ] Tournament support [ ] Implementing commander into arena 
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Dec 3, 2021 00:58
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Yeah this pretty much kills Arena for me.
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Dec 3, 2021 00:59
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TheLawinator posted:Unfortunately this seems like another way to not give wildcards for cards getting banned or whatever in standard if they screw up. You know what would be really cool? If instead of this stupid format they worked toward actual multiplayer so folks could play some kinda commander-like thing. I'll be surprised if Arena ever has multiplayer. It's just not designed to do that at all, to the point where they'd basically have to create a whole new client for it.
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Dec 3, 2021 01:01
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It feels like a feature that not very many people want but that the ones who do want it badly.
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Dec 3, 2021 01:06
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Tbf it doesnt make much sense to have arena be more casual focused and not have what i assume is the largest casual format on it
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Dec 3, 2021 01:13
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I think without any kind of communication and with incentives to win Commander on Arena wouldn't be what existing Commander players seem to largely want from the format anyway. It would be funny if the monkey's paw curled and they made an entirely new version of digital Magic that was only Commander to exist alongside Arena and MODO. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 01:33
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fadam posted:IMO Arena's biggest strength is its relationship to the paper game, and every move they make that diverges the two is a mistake. All the digital only Horizons cards were a pretty big dud, so the only impact they had was they blew opportunities to put cooler legacy cards in and now made it technically impossible to have Historic tournaments in paper. All this does is cause bigger divergence between the two games and fragment the player base. I sense a grognardy kneejerk reaction against anything new in this thread. How does strict alignment with paper make arena better, let alone count as its biggest strength? The biggest strength of arena is, imo, that it has a ton of formats ready to play 24/7 with very short queue times. I barely ever play paper, a poo poo ton of arena players never play paper or have never played paper period. You need to accept that historic was designed from the start to be digital only and that arena is not just an adjunct to paper, it is really successful and its own thing now as a major competitor to hearthstone, runeterra, and the rest. Historic paper tournaments were never on the table in the first place. If you don't like it there are still several formats on arena that are perfectly identical with paper. Also you're wrong about digital-only being a flop, several of them are played in top tier decks: managorger phoenix in madness, shoreline scout in merfolk, freyalise and skyshroud lookout in elves, static discharge and reckless ringleader in monored decks. Magic Underwear fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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fadam posted:
Oh good I thought it was just me
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Magic Underwear posted:I sense a grognardy kneejerk reaction against anything new in this thread. How does strict alignment with paper make arena better, let alone count as its biggest strength? The biggest strength of arena is, imo, that it has a ton of formats ready to play 24/7 with very short queue times. I barely ever play paper, a poo poo ton of arena players never play paper or have never played paper period. There's a lot to respond to here even tho I think it's in bad faith, so I'm just gonna say that I don't think any of those decks are top tier.
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Magic Underwear posted:I sense a grognardy kneejerk reaction against anything new in this thread. How does strict alignment with paper make arena better, let alone count as its biggest strength? The biggest strength of arena is, imo, that it has a ton of formats ready to play 24/7 with very short queue times. I barely ever play paper, a poo poo ton of arena players never play paper or have never played paper period. You need to accept that historic was designed from the start to be digital only and that arena is not just an adjunct to paper, it is really successful and its own thing now as a major competitor to hearthstone, runeterra, and the rest. Historic tournaments were never on the table. If you don't like it there are still several formats on arena that are perfectly identical with paper. Arena should be a vehicle to get people into paper magic and having paper cards not do what arena cards do is going to be an awful experience.
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Magic Underwear posted:You need to accept that historic was designed from the start to be digital only and that arena is not just an adjunct to paper, it is really successful and its own thing now as a major competitor to hearthstone, runeterra, and the rest. Historic paper tournaments were never on the table in the first place. If you don't like it there are still several formats on arena that are perfectly identical with paper. I think when Pioneer launches that'll be a stronger argument, but right now there are a ton of people invested in a format they don't want to play anymore (and even after Pioneer launches they'll still be stuck with Historic bundles they bought).
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I wonder if this means paper standard will eventually cease being a meaningful thing? Paper tournaments will probably cater towards more eternal formats and online tournaments will be Historic and Alchemy?
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fadam posted:There's a lot to respond to here even tho I think it's in bad faith, so I'm just gonna say that I don't think any of those decks are top tier. I'm arguing in bad faith? You aren't arguing in any faith at all, jesus christ. Hey, instead of just being a prick, how about you actually articulate a recognizable thought if you disagree with my post.
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Mike N Eich posted:I wonder if this means paper standard will eventually cease being a meaningful thing? Paper tournaments will probably cater towards more eternal formats and online tournaments will be Historic and Alchemy? New players are still going to need something to play, so I guess it depends on whether or not paper continues to have new players or if Arena becomes (or has become) the default entry point for everyone.
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Mike N Eich posted:I wonder if this means paper standard will eventually cease being a meaningful thing? Paper tournaments will probably cater towards more eternal formats and online tournaments will be Historic and Alchemy? There’s like one place within an hours drive of here that does paper standard, most places seem to do modern and limited
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Dec 3, 2021 01:54
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Alchemy is preemptively a failed format unless every card with Alchemy or Alchemist in its name is legal in it.
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Magic Underwear posted:I'm arguing in bad faith? You aren't arguing in any faith at all, jesus christ. Hey, instead of just being a prick, how about you actually articulate a recognizable thought if you disagree with my post. what the heck
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Pablo Nergigante posted:There’s like one place within an hours drive of here that does paper standard, most places seem to do modern and limited Ya paper magic is booming here, but it’s all Limited, Modern and Commander. I don’t think a single store does Standard.
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Dec 3, 2021 01:55
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If they move and get pioneer on arena I would wish and hope they make the mystical archive cards and historic anthology cards legal there too. There are some real fun, competitive archetypes that revolve around them
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Time posted:If they move and get pioneer on arena I would wish and hope they make the mystical archive cards and historic anthology cards legal there too. There are some real fun, competitive archetypes that revolve around them I get why existing historic players who don't want to play with Alchemy want that, but as someone who's been patiently waiting for Pioneer I'd be pissed. I haven't been the one spending though, so if they put the concerns of people who have ahead of mine, I can hardly blame them. It just seems to defeat the purpose of having a format that corresponds with paper.
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Time posted:If they move and get pioneer on arena I would wish and hope they make the mystical archive cards and historic anthology cards legal there too. There are some real fun, competitive archetypes that revolve around them If this is the grand design then it will all be worth it I guess. I just want a format on Arena with a big card pool and no dumb Hearthstone cards, I don’t care what it’s called.
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Dec 3, 2021 01:57
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Hey, you have a historic deck you like? Well, too bad, our latest balance patch hosed it. So now you've got to dump more wildcards crafting a new deck. Or historic players having to make the new alchemy cards that come out after a set. Seems like a really transparent way for them to never give historic people refunds for card bans and also make sets more expensive to keep up with. Magic is already the least important thing on my budget and if it gets more expensive I'll just go play a lesser game, but save a bunch of money
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Time posted:If they move and get pioneer on arena I would wish and hope they make the mystical archive cards and historic anthology cards legal there too. There are some real fun, competitive archetypes that revolve around them i think there's zero chance of them changing pioneer legality
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Magic is already the least important thing on my budget and if it gets more expensive I'll just go play a lesser game, but save a bunch of money Quitting magic is never a bad financial decision unless you buy in even bigger later to catch up.
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fadam posted:Ya paper magic is booming here, but it’s all Limited, Modern and Commander. I don’t think a single store does Standard. Oh yeah commander is big too. It’s pretty booming here too, the town I play in has two LGS’s and they both get really good turnout
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