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Fish Of Doom posted:Going around to twitter and reddit, I can't find a single person who's into this. I haven't seen the Magic community brought together like this in a while. When was the last time, Historic requiring 2 wildcards? Walking Dead secret lair? I've seen a handful of pros interested in Alchemy because they're tired of Same Old Standard. BBD, Brad Nelson, Ali Aintrazi, some others. (Of course, they're likely the ones that care the least about economy on Arena) Many other pros are less optimistic.
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HootTheOwl posted:Arena should be a vehicle to get people into paper magic and having paper cards not do what arena cards do is going to be an awful experience. Pioneer is literally never coming to Arena. It's off the development roadmap.
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I would be unabashedly excited about it if it didn’t touch the existing historic format. Having something different and potentially better than standard sounds like a fun thing and playing with the arena potential also sounds cool.
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I initially didn't want the play historic because I was disappointed that it wasn't pioneer, then they introduced digital only cards and it turned me off even further. Then I saw that Merfolk deck posted here earlier and I thought about trying it out, but the idea of a format opening itself up to power level errata is a hard no from me.ShaneB posted:Pioneer is literally never coming to Arena. It's off the development roadmap. On today's stream they said that it still planned for the "far future" 
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ShaneB posted:Pioneer is literally never coming to Arena. It's off the development roadmap. I’m not trying to be rude or pick a fight here, this is a genuine question - didn’t they confirm they are working towards that today? Or do you mean they don’t have a defined date for that?
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I thought Ali Antrazi was pivoting to full time porno man?
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it's probably fine for historic to be rebalanced monthly if you're a whale and you can afford the wildcards to build a new deck every single month. otherwise yeah it kind of sounds like dogshit.
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ShaneB posted:Pioneer is literally never coming to Arena. It's off the development roadmap. they explicitly said they were actively working on it during today's livestream and that pioneer on arena is still coming edit: Time posted:I’m not trying to be rude or pick a fight here, this is a genuine question - didn’t they confirm they are working towards that today? Or do you mean they don’t have a defined date for that? there was some misreporting when pioneer masters got delayed (they originally wanted it to come out this year) that pioneer on arena was canceled, but at the time and every single time they've been asked after that they've continued to say pioneer is in the works. a lot of the work on jumpstart horizons was explicitly from stuff they'd been doing in the background for pioneer
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Paul Zuvella posted:I thought Ali Antrazi was pivoting to full time porno man? Why not do both.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Why not do both. Well your magic cards would get wet during a hottub stream
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I hope they do NFT exclusive cards next
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I feel like they'd get a lot less pushback on this format if the economy didn't suck so so bad on arena. I'd probably still not like it but at least be willing to see what happens if I could do something with the cards that get changed in some way down the road to turn them into cards I want. Like if they decided to modify 4 cards in a deck but those cards are critical to the deck functioning at all, it'd be nice to have the option to turn those cards into something else. Not even at a 1:1, but like 4:1 would be fine.
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flatluigi posted:they explicitly said they were actively working on it during today's livestream and that pioneer on arena is still coming It's never coming.
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wotc is so dumb lol
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ShaneB posted:It's never coming. So it’s taking SSRIs? 😂😂😂🤣
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Pablo Nergigante posted:So it’s taking SSRIs? 😂😂😂🤣 Think then post
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ShaneB posted:Think then post I did.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:So it’s taking SSRIs? 😂😂😂🤣 Lol
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we got here quicker than i expected
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This Alchemy thing seems like a bad idea. It feels like it could be a parasite for standard in a not great way. Really, what I would have preferred they do is make a new game if they wanted to do a digital card game model
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They pointed to jumpstart horizons as a means of still working on bringing pioneer to arena. Let me just check the cards out. Ah yes, jumpstart horizons containing cards like Seasoned Pyromancer and Dragon’s Rage Channeler that were in straight to modern sets and not pioneer legal. Pioneer isn’t coming to arena because they can make money doing other low hanging fruit poo poo. I guess some finance person at Hasbro determined this makes more money than Pioneer Masters sets. I’m not mad or bummed about this or anything. This poo poo sucks Yoked fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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some of the changes e: made it easier to read 
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Rinkles posted:some of the changes Oh that's a good change to Cosmos Elixir
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I realize it’s not strictly better but that chariot change seems like it will make chariot even better? Though I guess it gets fully neutralized by prismari command now
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Honestly I'm not even sure why people want pioneer? They let it languish in to nothing over a matter of mere months. It never got off the ground. How coul you even have an opinion of it?
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Honestly I'm not even sure why people want pioneer? They let it languish in to nothing over a matter of mere months. It never got off the ground. How coul you even have an opinion of it? To be fair it launched literally right before the world shut down
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Honestly I'm not even sure why people want pioneer? They let it languish in to nothing over a matter of mere months. It never got off the ground. How coul you even have an opinion of it? It's a format with real cards that I played and remembered enjoying, some of those cards better than others, so I'd rather see it than a new format with more of the Hearthstone cards that chased me out of Historic, plus the Hearthstone mechanic of "changing what the card does so it's unplayable" so they don't have to give refunds anymore.
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ShaneB posted:Pioneer is literally never coming to Arena. It's off the development roadmap. I still think it's more likely than not that we get another Remastered set in 2022 that they can point to as progress, but as for when Pioneer proper comes to Arena, I do think the mentions are deliberately vague enough that they can postpone indefinitely as other priorities take precedence. As discussed in the other thread, if they really wanted to commit to Pioneer they could just use the sets currently on Arena and say okay that's Pioneer until we finish working backwards, and the changes coming with Alchemy offer something to differentiate it from Historic if they want to take that route, so imo if we don't hear anything concrete in the next few months it's totally justified to assume it's not coming in any reasonable time frame.
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Alchemy is good for Standard tbh. There's no way that any single team of designers can produce a Standard that isn't rapidly solved by the millions of games played every day on Arena. For Historic I don't like it because it just means that the strongest cards in Standard don't get to exist in Historic at their original power level. I doubt they're gonna Alchemize cards for Historic specifically so most of the excitement will be in remasters and anthologies.
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Eej posted:Alchemy is good for Standard tbh. There's no way that any single team of designers can produce a Standard that isn't rapidly solved by the millions of games played every day on Arena. Yeah they already said they're not going to errata old staples, but will fix any issues arising from them with live balancing, whatever the gently caress that means. Presumably buffing solutions or nerfing enablers?
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Sinteres posted:Yeah they already said they're not going to errata old staples, but will fix any issues arising from them with live balancing, whatever the gently caress that means. Presumably buffing solutions or nerfing enablers? Yeah I have no idea what this means. Thalia too good? Just nerf every other white card til she's unplayable
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Lone Goat posted:Yeah I have no idea what this means. Thalia too good? Just nerf every other white card til she's unplayable Nerfing Thalia by making every other card type also a creature
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Nerfing Thalia by making every other card type also a creature We get it, you play modern now. 
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ShaneB posted:Think then post Time posted:Lol The two players
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HootTheOwl posted:We get it, you play modern now. Lol
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Honestly if they were just offering a rebalanced Standard option without the dozens of new digital only cards I think it would be awesome to have the option to switch back and forth depending on which meta is more fun. The big influx of new cards (without any economy change to make up for it) and the historic change really seem to be the problems.
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HootTheOwl posted:We get it, you play modern now. Thalia is in standard now too.
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Cactrot posted:Thalia is in standard now too. It’s a joke about all the crazy poo poo in modern like the MH2 elementals
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historic is probably the best format at the moment and wotc putting a bullet in its head is unforgivable.
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I like alchemy, it's another way to try and qualify each month if Historic and Standard become stale. My only concern is how quickly will they implement rebalances to cards. Runeterra and Hearthstone would take forever for hotfixes and rebalances I'm hoping if there are problematic cards rebalances can be implemented in days and not weeks. Other than that it's a new thing and Reddit/Twitter will freak out about it. Once people start playing we'll see how it goes.
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