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Harvey Mantaco posted:This is like 200 clams, is that normal for handmade etsy stuff? I actuality have no frame of reference. Looks like they're selling though. An interesting link on the topic of why this stuff costs so drat much.
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Nov 29, 2021 19:12
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Ugleb posted:An interesting link on the topic of why this stuff costs so drat much. If someone is really persistent about trying to commission me to paint something even after I tell them I have no time and it will take forever, I work out a fair price and double it. If they're still up for it at that point I'll do it.
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Nov 29, 2021 20:06
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Yeah if you want to pay your artist a living wage, it's going to be expensive. That guy in the article was the epitome of entitled jerk who doesn't know how much things really cost. Even a mass-manufactured toy with that much detail could easily cost over 60 dollars, and that's with sweatshop labor. Having it done by hand, by a Londoner, will set you back 200 clams.
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Nov 29, 2021 20:08
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Kwyndig posted:Yeah if you want to pay your artist a living wage, it's going to be expensive. That guy in the article was the epitome of entitled jerk who doesn't know how much things really cost. That's a really good point. Also to clarify, I wasn't trying to come off as indignant at the pricing. Compensating along a living wage only seems high because so few people actually get one  , it's just not something I'm used to seeing (not because I stiff people. Because I don't buy nice things lol)
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Nov 29, 2021 20:32
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To clarify, I didn't mean my comment to come off as "these are expensive and unreasonably priced" I meant more along the lines of "they're expensive and I understand why because they're not mass-produced and instead are hand made by a single person"
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Nov 29, 2021 20:39
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Snuggle-Time Throt is an insufficiently goony piece of poo poo, imo. Needs more stuffing, probably some adorable buboes.
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Nov 29, 2021 21:38
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Kwyndig posted:Having it done by hand, by a Londoner, will set you back 200 clams. And I guarantee that the person who made it is grossly undervaluing their labour, as what happens with almost all artists. I've known several people who after calculating the costs and how much they sold their art for ended up earning less than minimum wage.
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Nov 30, 2021 00:50
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Harvey Mantaco posted:That's a really good point. Also to clarify, I wasn't trying to come off as indignant at the pricing. Compensating along a living wage only seems high because so few people actually get one We are all used to paying mass produced prices from bulk buying retailers. Then we are shocked at how much it costs for an independent maker to make a one-off bespoke item because the prices are a world apart. When we see a big price tag we assume that someone is trying to take advantage, probably because we're used to seeing crap like eBay price gougers.
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Nov 30, 2021 10:30
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Ugleb posted:An interesting link on the topic of why this stuff costs so drat much. Really puts it into perspective Local car mechanics charge Ł60-90 per hour for mechanical work on vehicles, and people pay it because that is what it costs for skilled labour. Translate the low time estimate for that blanket into a cheap car mechanic and you get 120*Ł60, or Ł7200 labour cost plus materials on top Alternatively, minimum wage here over the pond would translate to around $12 an hour, so $12*120 is $1440 labour plus the $160 for yarn Using either scale, $400 for the blanket is a steal, even if $400 for a blanket sounds like a massive ripoff at first 
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Dec 1, 2021 16:56
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There's a local guy that does commission painting for whatever the model's msrp divided by 2 is. I warned him that getting $20 to spend 4 hours painting a model is undervaluing his time, especially because he's a drat good painter. He just kind of shrugged it off saying that no one would pay even $10 /hr so he just takes what he can get.
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Dec 1, 2021 18:53
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Otoh $20 is good money if you can knock it out in an hour with airbrush, wash, and a detail pass.
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Dec 1, 2021 19:27
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moths posted:Otoh $20 is good money if you can knock it out in an hour with airbrush, wash, and a detail pass. He uses the standard style of rattlecan priming and brushing on everything doing base > layer > wash > clean with layer > highlight > edgeline His stuff looks great, but it takes a while.
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Dec 1, 2021 20:01
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Aww. Even if he's doing that on the cheap as a paid-favor, he should still charge more as a courtesy to other commission painters. Being the guy who'll go all-out for $20 nukes the percieved value of the labor.
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Dec 1, 2021 20:28
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someone tried to commission me to paint a warmaster unit with NMM like i like to do and after figuring out a rate that was a little above min wage, i was like "that'll be $900"
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Dec 1, 2021 20:34
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Nebalebadingdong posted:someone tried to commission me to paint a warmaster unit with NMM like i like to do and after figuring out a rate that was a little above min wage, i was like "that'll be $900" Wow you must spend a lot of time painting.
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Dec 1, 2021 20:50
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yeah ive almost finishe dpainting all my minis
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Dec 1, 2021 21:02
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Nebalebadingdong posted:yeah ive almost finishe dpainting all my minis 
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Dec 1, 2021 21:42
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Nebalebadingdong posted:someone tried to commission me to paint a warmaster unit with NMM like i like to do and after figuring out a rate that was a little above min wage, i was like "that'll be $900" This is why I would never want to be a commissioned painter
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Dec 1, 2021 22:07
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Not that I'm anywhere near the level of any of y'all, but having toyed with commission painting at what people were going to pay, I realized there was no way I was willing to justify turning something I loved into work at those wages.
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Dec 2, 2021 00:03
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Atlas Hugged posted:Not that I'm anywhere near the level of any of y'all, but having toyed with commission painting at what people were going to pay, I realized there was no way I was willing to justify turning something I loved into work at those wages.  I'm at a level where I probably could do table top standard comission work but I'm both not fast enough to churn it out at a reasonable pace and would end up resenting my hobby. I would definitely starve trying to meet my own expectations at a rate I'd feel confident asking for.
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Dec 2, 2021 00:40
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I’m in a similar place with commission sculpting. People are unprepared for how much a custom sculpt is, but it’s usually a solid 8 hours of work for anything close to decent without any crazy detailing. When you go to industry standard rates, most folks back out.
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Dec 2, 2021 01:27
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I have a friend who made a killing sculpting and painting busts of people's fursonas. There's money in this kind of work, but it's not from the gamers.
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Dec 2, 2021 03:16
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moths posted:I have a friend who made a killing sculpting and painting busts of people's fursonas. Furries are whales for artists of all kinds. You just have to be prepared to make a lot of porn.
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Dec 2, 2021 03:31
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so is it because there's just some really rich furries or is it that a furry will spend all their savings on furry porn?
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Dec 2, 2021 03:45
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Nebalebadingdong posted:so is it because there's just some really rich furries or is it that a furry will spend all their savings on furry porn? Yes. 
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Dec 2, 2021 03:51
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I don't know if things have changed, but I remember reading that almost all of the top earners on patreon were furry porn artists, pulling in tens of thousands of dollars a month.
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Dec 2, 2021 06:36
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My partners friends partners teenage daughter draws and animates fursonas for other kids at her school and online and apparently pulls in a good amount of $ doing it. They said theyve caught her drawing furry porn before but they're not gonna take her tablet over it
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Dec 2, 2021 06:58
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titty_baby_ posted:My partners friends partners teenage daughter draws and animates fursonas for other kids at her school and online and apparently pulls in a good amount of $ doing it. They said theyve caught her drawing furry porn before but they're not gonna take her tablet over it There is so much to parse here. 6 degrees of separation. Teenage comission artist. Making good money off regular furry commissions. From other kids at school. So at this school kids have money to burn and there is a big furry scene? And the parents of the artist are turning a blind eye to the porn art as she is making good money?
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Dec 2, 2021 12:23
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Bezos has a new crop of rich people scheduled to go up in his dick rocket and two of them are a VC dude and his furry son https://www.geekwire.com/2021/blue-origin-to-fly-six-suborbital-space-travelers-next-month-including-pioneer-astronauts-daughter/amp/ quote:The parent and child are Lane Bess, a longtime tech executive who’s the founder of a venture capital firm called Bess Ventures, and Cameron Bess. Scratch Monkey fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 12:58
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Ugleb posted:There is so much to parse here. Don't let this poster see the movie Kids.
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Dec 2, 2021 13:30
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TK_Nyarlathotep posted:Don't let this poster see the movie Kids. According to IMDB: quote:Kids (1995) Looks about as 90's as it gets. Does it involve furries or just generally horny teens?
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Dec 2, 2021 13:58
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Ugleb posted:According to IMDB: It's all horny teens with a lot of drugs and 0 adult oversight.
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Dec 2, 2021 14:35
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It does involve the dopest ghost around, though.
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Dec 2, 2021 21:29
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Ugleb posted:There is so much to parse here. You're making a lot of assumptions. It could be, like, two customers at school and every other commission is from online. It could also be that 100% of the porn commissions are online, or that the porn art is for fun and the commissions are all clean.  And I assume if you have a serious art kid then them drawing smut is basically as guaranteed as a teenager looking at smut.
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Dec 2, 2021 23:32
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I'd be proud of my kid if they've figured out how to milk furries for money every way except literally.
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Dec 3, 2021 02:42
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BWAAUMM pew pew
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Hedningen posted:I’m in a similar place with commission sculpting. People are unprepared for how much a custom sculpt is, but it’s usually a solid 8 hours of work for anything close to decent without any crazy detailing. When you go to industry standard rates, most folks back out. I'm a fine art sculptor in addition to teaching art as my job. The idea that people have no idea about the value of sculpture is across the board. I tend to underprice pretty brutally, but I'll have hundreds of hours into a 3 foot sculpture and had people have offer me hundreds for them. A 28mm mini takes just as much skill, imo more skill, than if you make a full sized sculpture. It takes less time for sure, but people should expect to pay art prices. No one wants to though.
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Dec 3, 2021 06:12
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Virtual Russian posted:I'm a fine art sculptor in addition to teaching art as my job. The idea that people have no idea about the value of sculpture is across the board. I tend to underprice pretty brutally, but I'll have hundreds of hours into a 3 foot sculpture and had people have offer me hundreds for them. The art world has a few few percentages that earn well and then a huge amount of people doing awfully underpriced work. I went to art school for a while and it was a great experience in that I really learned that for me it's a hobby, not something I wanted to try to turn into a profession.
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Virtual Russian posted:A 28mm mini takes just as much skill, imo more skill, than if you make a full sized sculpture. It takes less time for sure, but people should expect to pay art prices. No one wants to though. Do 3d sculpting. Use free assets, pirate other creators stls. Make some titty minis and rake in that sweet Patreon cash from horny nerds.
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