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Edgar Allen Ho posted:My girlfriend really wants to go to Australia and we're resigned to dying of old age before that happens. I'm thinking New Zealand is gonna start seeing tourism marriages, as locked down as they are trying to be
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RoboRodent posted:I get ads on Facebook (I know, I know, that's my first mistake) sometimes for viking-inspired jewellery or cloaks or whatnot, and they're cool, but then the comments are full of thinly veiled white supremacists and it's awful and weird. It does suck 'cause I do like the aesthetics and stories of the Norse mythologies, but then the Nazis had to go and ruin that, just like they ruined the opening lines of the German national anthem.
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Samovar posted:It does suck 'cause I do like the aesthetics and stories of the Norse mythologies, but then the Nazis had to go and ruin that, just like they ruined the opening lines of the German national anthem. I'm not personally into the Norse stuff but I know a lot of people who are and it's difficult not to side-eye them sometimes when you go online and there's a good chance that someone with a runic tattoo has frequent posts about the viability of a white ethnostate but there's a lot more people who are just into the idea of vikings and The Witcher and horned helmets and poo poo
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Heath posted:I'm not personally into the Norse stuff but I know a lot of people who are and it's difficult not to side-eye them sometimes when you go online and there's a good chance that someone with a runic tattoo has frequent posts about the viability of a white ethnostate but there's a lot more people who are just into the idea of vikings and The Witcher and horned helmets and poo poo Yeah, Norse mythology is really loving cool, just a lot of the wrong people got way too into it. Like, Neil Gaiman, who I would consider a person who tries they're best to be an ally to oppressed groups as much as he can, wrote an entire book about the Norse Myths because he liked the stories. But then you also have a bunch of Nazi fuckers.
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IIRC the easy way to tell if the Viking enthusiast is good or not is to ask them how they feel about non-white people worshipping the Norse pantheon. If they start going on about how Odinism is a folkish religion and only people with European bloodlines should follow it, then you know they need to get in the garbage.
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Heath posted:I'm not personally into the Norse stuff but I know a lot of people who are and it's difficult not to side-eye them sometimes when you go online and there's a good chance that someone with a runic tattoo has frequent posts about the viability of a white ethnostate but there's a lot more people who are just into the idea of vikings and The Witcher and horned helmets and poo poo Like the OK sign, I think context is important: my seven year old daughter is incredibly into Norse myths, largely because she is obsessed with wolves and wants Fenrir as a pet. But she knows loads about the mythology and just thinks it’s really cool. And she is very much a nazi-punching socialist, albeit a slightly ineffectively tiny one.
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Idk the fetishization of the Vikings always seemed weird to be considering they were glorified bandits. They were viscous even for their time. And were a horrible colonizing force.
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Holy poo poo this would be a perfect onion bit
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CharlestheHammer posted:Idk the fetishization of the Vikings always seemed weird to be considering they were glorified bandits. as pictured here 
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Dec 4, 2021 20:01
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Oh wow... Did not see that comming...
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old bean factory posted:I'm more into onanism. 
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CharlestheHammer posted:Idk the fetishization of the Vikings always seemed weird to be considering they were glorified bandits. Yeah but the things people like about them are the fantasy version you see in like God of War and poo poo where the fierceness of the warriors is abstracted onto gods and mythical beasts instead of the actual, factual history of it. I think if you drilled it down with anybody that is into it that they are aware on some level that their idea of them isn't reflective of the reality, but that's kind of "so what?" I tend to think the ones who get into Vikings and start to glorify the colonization and pillaging sincerely weren't somehow turned by being exposed to it, they were psychos to begin with. It's why some girl on Instagram who takes photos of herself with a fancy axe and pelts in the woods probably doesn't inquire into it any further than merely aesthetically, versus someone like Varg who actually buys into it wholesale and rails against other people who are doing it wrong all the time
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Dec 4, 2021 20:09
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Yeah, well, the Spartans were bags of decaying assholes, and yet...
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The only people I know who are really into Norse spirituality are both Norwegian and also very vocal about how fascism must be destroyed and rooted out from their communities. I'm pretty lucky in that regard
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Yeah, well, the Spartans were bags of decaying assholes, and yet...
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Yeah, well, the Spartans were bags of decaying assholes, and yet... Yeah but there is plenty of pushback against the Spartans and I think at this point he pendulum has kind of swung to far in the opposite direction. The Vikings were kind of licky they existed at a time when central authority in many countries just start collapsing. Which meant there was nothing to stop them. Hell in England they were eventually pushed back by the very weak kingdom of Wessex. At least until they returned under the much stronger and better organized Cnut in the 1030s. Though that’s considered after the Viking hey day
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DJ Fuckboy Supreme posted:My partner and I along with my best friend and her husband have been planning a trip for some time. I take a small amount of consolation in that I'll have plenty of time to save for the trip... sigh. I’ve got the same situation, but we’d actually booked the trip for September of last year, so it turned into a game of chicken with our friends of who would bring up canceling first. Somehow we managed to convince each other we should just move the tickets to flights in April of last year, but I think that was just us going a little manic mid-pandemic.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Idk the fetishization of the Vikings always seemed weird…They were viscous even for their time. 
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It's weird playing Assassin's Creed: Valhalla 'cause the game does a lot to whitewash the colonization of another culture that you, the player, are forced to engage in to progress the game. You'd think the Assassin order, which stands for freedom from oppression, would side against the violent slave-taking colonizers, so the game twists things to make sure you're the good guy or gal and the people you're colonizing need you because they're so backwards and/or weak. It's lucky the colonized are White Christians, or else it would be pretty awkward!
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Swan Lake Algae Problem posted:I’ve got the same situation, but we’d actually booked the trip for September of last year, so it turned into a game of chicken with our friends of who would bring up canceling first. 
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Pththya-lyi posted:It's weird playing Assassin's Creed: Valhalla 'cause the game does a lot to whitewash the colonization of another culture that you, the player, are forced to engage in to progress the game. You'd think the Assassin order, which stands for freedom from oppression, would side against the violent slave-taking colonizers, so the game twists things to make sure you're the good guy or gal and the people you're colonizing need you because they're so backwards and/or weak. It's lucky the colonized are White Christians, or else it would be pretty awkward! I mean in rear end Creed III you play a Native American who's working with the colonies to fight the British when historically a point of contention leading to the American Revolution was that the British weren't allowing settlers to break treaties and push further west into Native lands, and a majority of Native combatants in the war sided with the British. But they're a diverse and multicultural team of varying faiths so its ok
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Swan Lake Algae Problem posted:I think that was just us going a little manic mid-pandemic.  some day we'll be able to travel with fewer worries. Some day.
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Midnight Voyager posted:Ubisoft has a terminal case of Both Sides. There was a screenshot of Karl Marx saying "No, violence doesn't help the revolution!" or some poo poo, but I can't find it right now
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1467219675582971910 Jesus Christ, Washington Post. Except for that time in 1976 when he stopped a concert to go on a racist rant about England being a white country and Jamaicans should leave, and then explaining in 2018 that he was an alcoholic at the time but, anyway, he still thought it was funny. That Eric Clapton. 
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I mean in rear end Creed III you play a Native American who's working with the colonies to fight the British when historically a point of contention leading to the American Revolution was that the British weren't allowing settlers to break treaties and push further west into Native lands, and a majority of Native combatants in the war sided with the British. AC3 tries to complicate it because the Templars are on both sides (the final boss is an American Revolutionary) and as much as Connor tried to work with Washington he still ends up driving his people off of their lands
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christmas boots posted:AC3 tries to complicate it because the Templars are on both sides (the final boss is an American Revolutionary) and as much as Connor tried to work with Washington he still ends up driving his people off of their lands I liked what they did with Haytham and Connor where they were still father and son but on different sides in the conflict, with Haytham seeing George Washington as some dickweed who didn't know what he was getting himself into and was going to get a bunch of his followers killed, and Connor knowing just how bad the templars really were from knowing of events that Haytham was unaware of ie the sacking of his village, that Haytham admitted he had no idea Charles had done. They both thought each other naive and stupid but cared enough to try to debate each other and even do some stuff together when their interests aligned.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I mean in rear end Creed III you play a Native American who's working with the colonies to fight the British when historically a point of contention leading to the American Revolution was that the British weren't allowing settlers to break treaties and push further west into Native lands, and a majority of Native combatants in the war sided with the British. The alignment by indigenous nations was weighted toward the British, but my understanding is that the war wasn’t hugely imbalanced in terms of actual indigenous combat participants, though? The Penobscot sent hundreds of troops to the Colonial forces, for example, even though their stance as a nation was officially neutral, and the Passamaquoddy were divided politically, but several Passamaquoddy were big military heroes for the colonials. It’s a big continent full of sovereign nations, there are going to be nations on each side of every alliance.
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I loved Kassandra (the character they didn't want to make playable) in rear end Creed: Odyssey but the constant "actually I love being an ancient Greek slave, I can buy my way to freedom, I sold myself to send my daughter to university and to pay my penance as a wicked man, my master isn't one of the bad apples who give slave ownership a bad name" got hard to ignore at every turn
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Midnight Voyager posted:Ubisoft has a terminal case of Both Sides. No, they really don't. They're pretty clearly influenced heavily by right wing white supremacy and nationalism. They just do the bare minimum of Both Sides-ing for people to believe them when they say "it's just a game, it's not political". If you pay any attention at all to what is actually going on in Ubisoft's games it is pretty obvious where precisely that company plants its flag.
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:I loved Kassandra (the character they didn't want to make playable) in rear end Creed: Odyssey but the constant "actually I love being an ancient Greek slave, I can buy my way to freedom, I sold myself to send my daughter to university and to pay my penance as a wicked man, my master isn't one of the bad apples who give slave ownership a bad name" got hard to ignore at every turn I'm not gonna say it was good or even okay or anything, but ancient Greek slavery was different than the chattel slavery in the modern era.
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:I loved Kassandra (the character they didn't want to make playable) in rear end Creed: Odyssey but the constant "actually I love being an ancient Greek slave, I can buy my way to freedom, I sold myself to send my daughter to university and to pay my penance as a wicked man, my master isn't one of the bad apples who give slave ownership a bad name" got hard to ignore at every turn remember when you literally have a debate with Cleon where he wants to "make Athens great again" lmao
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Skwirl posted:I'm not gonna say it was good or even okay or anything, but ancient Greek slavery was different than the chattel slavery in the modern era. Ancient greek/roman/the other 'nice' slavery systems were massive corrupt institutions built entirely around maintaining a permanent underclass to exploit and abuse. The fact that it wasn't as cartoonishly evil and outright sadism focused as the chattel slavery system doesn't make it anything worth defending and having a piece of media have multiple 'actually being a slave in this system is awesome and GOOD for people' is outright revisionism and completely ahistorical.
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