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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Something so amazing to me about excel is that I've been hearing the same complaints about it for 20 years and they've never changed it. Every time I see the loving "PERSONAL.GOATSE has been locked for editing" or whatever I just turn off the computre and go away. Maybe come back in ½ an hour, maybe not.
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What annoys me the most about Excel is how every single sheet becomes impossible to maintain because it's just a spaghetti of references. You can't do any version control, it's just a huge mess that is impossible to maintain and spits out mystery answers that can no longer be validated. It's such a piece of poo poo, lmao
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Dec 6, 2021 10:04
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Excel owns actually, I'm sorry you all suck at it
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Excel is magnificently good at being an all purpose stopgap. You can make a much better, more powerful and easier to maintain system with an actual database (even loving Access), but that takes knowing how to database, how to program a front end, and a lot of work to get it off the ground. Excel just lets you start making the thing, without needing to have much training or knowledge, and lets you get pretty far and solve a lot of problems for what it is. Sure the wheels come off when your monster spreadsheet gets too big and complex, but up until that point it's great. And lots of people will never get to that point anyway. Excel loving rules. That said, if I never have to write another Excel-to-our-company's-product importer ever again in my career I'll die happy.
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Dec 6, 2021 11:01
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Excel and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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Reminder that Excel is a Turing Complete FP language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yKf8TrLUOw
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Carbon dioxide posted:Reminder that Excel is a Turing Complete FP language. Hm, yes, from a conference naming itself after the most vile and chaotic programming construct there is. Well, that's on brand I guess.
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Hyperlynx posted:Hm, yes, from a conference naming itself after the most vile and chaotic programming construct there is. Well, that's on brand I guess. It's not called COMEFROM though 
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GrandMaster posted:It's not all bad getting paid to spend half the day googling how to do a vlookup, then the second half of the day trying to figure out why the gently caress it's not working VLOOKUP (and XLOOKUP) are my IT superpowers. The next iteration is doing it with CSVs in powershell. 
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Is this one of those "Belgium atrocities" that I've been hearing about?
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A step up from the Belgian awful
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Something so amazing to me about excel is that I've been hearing the same complaints about it for 20 years and they've never changed it. I have literally a dozen spreadsheets open now. Where do I pick up my grotesque salary? Carbon dioxide posted:Reminder that Excel is a Turing Complete FP language. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m28jJ7CMp8A
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Excel is great and if my company would pay me to just spreadsheets all day I'd jump on that in a heartbeat
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ranbo das posted:Excel is great and if my company would pay me to just spreadsheets all day I'd jump on that in a heartbeat As someone who has only ever worked in the service industry in their life this is what I assume everyone in all those offices are doing all day
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mobby_6kl posted:I have literally a dozen spreadsheets open now. Where do I pick up my grotesque salary?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:As someone who has only ever worked in the service industry in their life this is what I assume everyone in all those offices are doing all day Some people also or instead make phone calls
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Dec 6, 2021 15:20
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I gather TPS reports are involved. And people move between sections of the building putting bits of paper in trays and taking them out of other trays. And phtocopying the paper and then putting them in other trays, sometimes the buildings are linked by fax machines.
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ranbo das posted:Excel is great and if my company would pay me to just spreadsheets all day I'd jump on that in a heartbeat This is what management is my dude
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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When I was young I had no idea why people on tv or in movies, rather than actually working, went into offices and did no work at all and pretended it was a job and that it was exhausting. Then I got older and learned how silly and narrow-minded that was just because it was outside my experience. Then I got older and figured out that actually I was right the first time
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Dec 6, 2021 15:43
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I just move stuff from "incoming" to "outgoing" at random. Haven't been found out yet.
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Excel is probably one of the most important pieces of software ever written. Whether you think that's good or bad is up to you.
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Fool of a Took. That is not how you hadouken.
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OwlFancier posted:I gather TPS reports are involved. And people move between sections of the building putting bits of paper in trays and taking them out of other trays. It's worse. A technician determines they want a part. They log in to the System, and submit a work order. This is fully digital, and the System can be accessed by supervisors, technical advisors, ordering clerks, anyone. But... They print the work order and take it to the control office. There, someone picks up the piece of paper, logs into the System and looks up the work order they are holding a copy of. Some sort of magic determines if they agree to send the work order onwards to acquisition. Eventually that piece of paper, otherwise unchanged, ends up in a tray for Purchasing section. I take the paper(s) and sort them by priority (or what I feel like dealing with). I log into the System, and open up the work order again. Using the information therein I create a Purchase Requisition and print this. Then its a game of telephoning vendors and bothering technicians for clarification because all they sent me was a paper with "Bolt, Steel, Quantity 4" Eventually given a quote (also printed) I make up a Purchase Order. This is the only piece that ought to be printed as it is a final contract between us and the vendor that we are buying Thing for Price. Once the piece is acquired, it needs to be Received- more paperwork in the System. More printing. This also requires a third party to complete so that I cannot 'receive' my own orders. Then it needs to be Invoiced - yet again using the System. Finally, I have a package including a printed Quote, Work Order, Requisition, Purchase Order, Receipt Slip, Vendor Invoice, Payment Receipt. All these need multiple signatures. More trays in and out! That's not even getting into the end of month reconciliation (more printing out paper copies of digital System records) - or random accounting checks we have to do. Or the fact that they want us to update a redundant list of work orders and their status, despite the System literally doing this - no, we need an external Excel sheet. Nobody reads this though, they just call us (or walk on) to ask where their parts are. Every day. I am hired by this organization as an electronics and optics technician. DarkDobe has a new favorite as of 16:06 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Something so amazing to me about excel is that I've been hearing the same complaints about it for 20 years and they've never changed it. Maybe if we told them, "Yeah you're doing something invented by a mathematician" they'd get scared and stop.
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This sysadmin is eternally glad that not a single Office program is part of the job. Instead, today I have spent a few hours with this problem: 1. The machine thinks it's August. 2. To update and/or set the time it needs to install additional software 3. The software package is digitally signed 4. It is rejected because the signature is from the future The software package is booted via the network and is entirely ephemeral, so I need to somehow hack it so that it updates its time and date before any of the other stuff runs, but this is proving to be much more complicated. I could go into the firmware and manually set the time, but that would be admitting defeat.
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Dec 6, 2021 16:11
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Yes, I am being paid for hours of trying to set the time on a clock.
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DarkDobe posted:It's worse. The stupidest and least efficient possible way to make business occur, except that every time they try to make it better they are unsuccessful at anything except laying off useful people and hiring more useless people
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kill all programmers
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Programmers should only be allowed to make programs for people smarter than themselves. The moment the programmer starts thinking they know better than their user things start slipping.
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Regarde Aduck posted:kill all programmers 
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Antigravitas posted:Yes, I am being paid for hours of trying to set the time on a clock. You fool, by setting the date and time back your billed hours will be negative and you'll owe THEM money!
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Data Graham posted:The stupidest and least efficient possible way to make business occur, except that every time they try to make it better they are unsuccessful at anything except laying off useful people and hiring more useless people 100% this way because we're military therefore not profit driven. Not efficiency driven either.
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o poo poo removing the profit motive doesn't help, now what
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