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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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This is a literal nothingburger. How dare she go drinking? -> meh, bars are open for people with coronapass. After possibly being exposed to Covid -> 2 vaccines and no symptoms means no Covid restrictions She left without her official phone -> she had her Eduskunta-phone with her. She left without her other ministerial phone -> arghlebarglebarf.
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Dec 6, 2021 19:05
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Oh yeah for sure it's all Russia-driven Iltapaska poo poo. But still she's kinda dumb.
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Dec 6, 2021 19:07
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As a mother of a young child, she shouldn't be drinking in bars. That's her actual crime.
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Dec 6, 2021 19:08
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I love that Yle is calling this a crisis. Nuke the loving media
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Dec 6, 2021 19:54
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Even better than the whole "going to the bar" case is the IL-SHOCKINGNEWS about her being in a photo together with Janne Raninen, a twice-sentenced murderer! Like uhhh, sure, yeah, the dude was at the party as the avec for his partner, and yeah, he's a murderer, and they were in a picture together. But the murders date to 1998 and 2003, and he's been on parole from March, so he's mostly paid his dues and could even become a decent example of prison rehabilitating someone. Not to even mention that both of the murders were pretty much hit jobs between criminals, so I wouldn't exactly call Raninen a similar risk as some "vedin kännit ja ammuin kaverin" -type. Of course, Finnish twitter and reddit are basically going "WELL IF BEING PICTURED WITH NAZIS MAKES ONE A NAZI DOES THIS MAKE MARIN A MURDERER"  Like, it's such a loving nonstarter that it'd be a brilliant play made in advance to cover Marin's bar trip, if it all wasn't so obviously just a really dumb coincidence. Then again, considering what happened to Kanerva back in the day, it'd be really appropriate for this all to escalate and somehow end up with Marin resigning, not because of the bar thing, but because of the picture.
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Dec 6, 2021 19:56
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 Hyvää itsaria kaikille gooneille! 
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Dec 6, 2021 20:12
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It's not that she did a dumb-dumb, those are easily forgotten in politics, it's that she was dumb and careless and made a mistake she could have pretty dang easily avoided. You don't get to screw up like that as a PM, young or not, woman or not.
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Dec 6, 2021 20:23
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Metanaut posted:
Can you trust the abilities of a man who is begging pussy from Johanna Tukiainen?
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Dec 6, 2021 20:52
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barbecue at the folks posted:You don't get to screw up like that as a PM, young or not, woman or not. you obviously do though
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Dec 6, 2021 21:18
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Things which are okay for PMs to do: - Pettää kepuishly, cut education after pledging not to, gently caress the poor, etc. Things which are not okay for PMs to do: - PR blunders - Using ateriaetu
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Dec 7, 2021 01:38
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Metanaut posted:I don't understand how we have had ministers kicked out for sending a text message, but she can keep loving up on a weekly basis on this level. He got kicked out when he lied to PM Katainen about whether there’s more of that stuff coming out, and of course there was.
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Dec 7, 2021 06:48
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barbecue at the folks posted:It's not that she did a dumb-dumb, those are easily forgotten in politics, it's that she was dumb and careless and made a mistake she could have pretty dang easily avoided. You don't get to screw up like that as a PM, young or not, woman or not. Except if you're also an old man.
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Dec 8, 2021 13:24
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 erinomainen je ne sais quoi tässä
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Dec 9, 2021 15:08
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anyway, marin did nothing wrong
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Dec 9, 2021 15:08
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How provincial, real valtiomiehet like US presidents like to pose with serial child abusers
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Dec 9, 2021 15:52
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If I looked like that murderer, I wouldn't want anyone to take a picture of me.
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Dec 9, 2021 16:08
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Also I'm the soufflé-head in the background.
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Dec 9, 2021 16:08
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Marinin Hurja Viikonloppu ois kyllä hyvä bändin nimi
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Dec 9, 2021 17:16
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matti posted:Marinin Hurja Viikonloppu ois kyllä hyvä bändin nimi Päämisterin Paavikänni + Kaikkosen Kailjareissu
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Dec 9, 2021 17:39
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Also I'm the soufflé-head in the background. That's the host of the party yo.
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Dec 9, 2021 17:40
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matti posted:Marinin Hurja Viikonloppu Se julkaisee KAKSI Amigajuttua C-lehdessä. (Tämä oli tämmöinen SYVÄ VIILTO.) DanTheFryingPan posted:That's the host of the party yo. OK I hosted the party.
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Dec 9, 2021 18:10
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https://twitter.com/JanneRaninen/status/1468589415689818121 https://twitter.com/MikaelJungner/status/1468833457409302528 Itekin myöntävät että keksivät vaan jälkikäteen sääntöjä mitä vain Marinin eikä kenenkään muun olisi tarvinnut noudattaa.
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Dec 10, 2021 00:19
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Is it true that your prime minister has a cat fursona?! https://twitter.com/Synthimers/status/1468709114792620034
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Dec 10, 2021 03:24
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Toisaalta, kyseessä lienee rölli, mutta toisaalta, kaveri lukee sanat "suomalainen neloskanava" ja tulee kyselemään onko tämä totta
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Dec 10, 2021 03:43
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Disappointed to see we're judging strong female leaders that dance in the cutest way.
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Dec 10, 2021 04:00
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Judakel posted:Disappointed to see we're judging strong female leaders that dance in the cutest way. To be fair, Yleisradio posted:Pääministeri Sanna Marin (sd.) ja valtioneuvoston kanslia ovat selvittäneet oikeuskanslerille toimiaan pääministerin Kesärannan virka-asunnon ateriahankinnoissa.
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Dec 10, 2021 04:45
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That whole thing is so silly. Turns out most prime ministers don't use their meal benefit at the official residence because they choose not to live there, and now suddenly this makes a standard that it's wrong to use it. (At least too much? Where "too much" is defined retroactively.) Surely if it's decided it costs too much it's merely a question of having the employer put a cap on it or end the benefit instead of blaming the employee for using what they're given. This is fundamentally a question of "Is the PM paid too much?"
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Dec 10, 2021 05:50
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Elukka posted:That whole thing is so silly. Turns out most prime ministers don't use their meal benefit at the official residence because they choose not to live there, and now suddenly this makes a standard that it's wrong to use it. (At least too much? Where "too much" is defined retroactively.) Surely if it's decided it costs too much it's merely a question of having the employer put a cap on it or end the benefit instead of blaming the employee for using what they're given. Isn't that the defence argument of Tytti Yli-Viikari? They just wanted to pay a virkamies two years of salary to shut up and do nothing, because that's somehow cheaper than out-right firing them? I'm all for every living Finn getting a virkamies-level palkka for doing nothing but sitting on their rear end and poo poo-posting on SA, but until that's the system, it seems a tad unfair that someone gets it but not everyone else. You know, like in school, bring enough candy for everyone? The larger point is that Sanna keeps saying "I'm sorry, I should have known better, I should have double-checked", and keeps firing virkamiehet left and right to throw people under the bus, be it about aamiaisjuustot or the biletys the night before, and that's... Less than a stellar look for someone who's supposed to be the de-facto head of state. If I get poo poo-faced drunk, that's on me and doesn't really make a difference either way, but I'm not the prime minister. Someone should tell Sanna she is.
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Dec 10, 2021 05:57
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Rappaport posted:Isn't that the defence argument of Tytti Yli-Viikari? They just wanted to pay a virkamies two years of salary to shut up and do nothing, because that's somehow cheaper than out-right firing them? I'm all for every living Finn getting a virkamies-level palkka for doing nothing but sitting on their rear end and poo poo-posting on SA, but until that's the system, it seems a tad unfair that someone gets it but not everyone else. You know, like in school, bring enough candy for everyone? She did literally nothing bad with the ateria thing
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Dec 10, 2021 05:58
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Andrast posted:She did literally nothing bad with the ateria thing I understand that not everyone is a masochist who keeps up with the USPol thread, but either way, if it looks like she did something bad, it doesn't help that someone tries to tell voters she totally didn't. Appearances matter! Just look at how much fun iltapaskat is having about her biletys.
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Dec 10, 2021 05:59
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Rappaport posted:I understand that not everyone is a masochist who keeps up with the USPol thread, but either way, if it looks like she did something bad, it doesn't help that someone tries to tell voters she totally didn't. Appearances matter! Just look at how much fun iltapaskat is having about her biletys. On the other hand who cares about the iltapaskat
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Dec 10, 2021 06:04
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Andrast posted:On the other hand who cares about the iltapaskat You might not, but it's not exactly nice that the head of an otherwise sane government is doing her solid best to keep the kok-PS-coalition forming the next government 
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Dec 10, 2021 06:08
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Rappaport posted:You might not, but it's not exactly nice that the head of an otherwise sane government is doing her solid best to keep the kok-PS-coalition forming the next government good thing these things are not going to affect that at all then
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Dec 10, 2021 06:09
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Andrast posted:On the other hand who cares about the iltapaskat About a couple of million voters. Where do you think average person gets their information?
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Dec 10, 2021 07:06
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Kok is going to be the largest party and then they will will choose either SDP or Persus for the secondary partner depending on what they feel like doing (Persut will also depend on how willing Kepu is to be the tertiary government partner because you can't form that gov without kepu) literally none of the media poo poo affects this at all (or much else tbh)
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Dec 10, 2021 07:20
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Rappaport posted:Isn't that the defence argument of Tytti Yli-Viikari? They just wanted to pay a virkamies two years of salary to shut up and do nothing, because that's somehow cheaper than out-right firing them? I'm all for every living Finn getting a virkamies-level palkka for doing nothing but sitting on their rear end and poo poo-posting on SA, but until that's the system, it seems a tad unfair that someone gets it but not everyone else. You know, like in school, bring enough candy for everyone? As for the argument that it doesn't matter if it's actually bad, just that it looks bad, well yes it looks bad because a media narrative was constructed to make it look bad. It felt artificial as gently caress from the start. I think this argument would apply better to the covid restriction stuff. Elukka fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 07:43
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Andrast posted:literally none of the media poo poo affects this at all (or much else tbh) How do you think naapurin pena gets their opinion or information about anything? Iltapaska absolutely affects voting behaviour.
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Dec 10, 2021 08:43
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Darkest Auer posted:How do you think naapurin pena gets their opinion or information about anything? Iltapaska absolutely affects voting behaviour. Do you think SDP would be the largest party in the next election without iltapaska? Otherwise it's not going to mean anything regarding the composition of the next hallitus. Even aside from that i'm not particularly convinced this dumb marin poo poo had any non-minor effects on the SDP numbers either Andrast fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 08:53
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Suomalainen hävittäjähankinta on n. 20-30 vuoden välein käytävä prosessi, jossa järjestetään vuosia kestävä teatteri jonka jälkeen ostetaan kallein hävittäjä mitä amerikkalaisilta saa. Ellei sitten Iltapulu ole tässä väärässä, mikä tietysti olisi kiva.
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Dec 10, 2021 09:52
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Elukka posted:I don't see the parallel. Paying someone a salary for nothing while they are not actually employed is obviously a misuse of funds. Using a benefit given to you by your job entirely within its rules is... not? The breakfastgate costs are artificially inflated. The price numbers the papers scandalised about aren't retail price of her breakfast supplies, but how much the prime minister's residence office pays for them. Buying groceries for the residence has been outsourced and the papers used the massively marked up prices the office pays to the outsourcing company. In so far as there was a scandal, it would have been some virkamiehen's hyvävelisopimus with the ulkoistusfirma.
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Dec 10, 2021 09:54
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