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Strom Cuzewon posted:I can't remember how slowly the Taint gets introduced in the first few books - maybe they just need to go hog-wild with the madness right from the start to really drive home what his story is about. I remember it starting in book 3, he kills a merchant and her guards on the way to Tear because he thinks they might be darkfriends, then uses the power to pose their bodies bowing to him. It's implied he's right because there's an extra body he didn't notice before that's probably a gray man.
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That's not really a madness thing though.
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Dec 6, 2021 23:12
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RC Cola posted:Thank you, and thank you eke out. Don't worry, there are plenty of people who think it's Rand because he's been getting the least buildup for it/is the most boring/is the most white
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Dec 6, 2021 23:13
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Gwaihir posted:That's not really a madness thing though. Part of it isnt maybe. Part of it very much is though. God that scene would own if they adapt it.
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Dec 6, 2021 23:20
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there have definitely been subtle hints at it being rand for a bit now, they're just not insanely blatant red herrings. most misdirection will probably be from show-only people not having the full picture that stuff like the prologue and whatever might bring and not really having a full grasp of the setting yet. which is kind of the fault of that x-ray content poo poo being so goofy in terms of people randomly maybe knowing it exists or not.
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Fwiw, my girl's prediction is Nynaeve. I'm honestly at the point where I'm wondering if it might be changed.
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The first thing that really hits Rand madness wise is book 4 I think, when he starts having stuff from Lews Therin leak in, before he's actually taking to him.
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genuinely thinking they would change who the dragon is is like flat earth-level conspiracy stuff, the overarching story as a whole literally would not work and rafe judkins himself would probably chew his own arm off before letting an amazon exec try to change that to anyone else for god knows what reason nynaeve getting a super saiyan moment isn't even out of character for her, she's demonstrated as like straight up one of the most powerful channelers alive and is responsible for taking out multiple forsaken, a distinction shared only by uh. rand and moiraine? i think?
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Johnny Joestar posted:genuinely thinking they would change who the dragon is is like flat earth-level conspiracy stuff, the overarching story as a whole literally would not work and rafe judkins himself would probably chew his own arm off before letting an amazon exec try to change that to anyone else for god knows what reason The thing is, they're doing such a great job throwing all the hints around and giving book reader specific jukes at us that it can cause anyone to second guess themselves.
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CainFortea posted:The thing is, they're doing such a great job throwing all the hints around and giving book reader specific jukes at us that it can cause anyone to second guess themselves. This, yeah, plus it's clear the show is its own turn of the Wheel, so why the hell not? Bring it on, I say. In the first few episodes they've done such a great job that they get my full support of any and all changes.
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If they changed the story that fundamentally, when would they have had the time to do the extensive rewrites that would require?
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I can't find the direct quote but there's a part in one of the earlier books where either Egwene or Nynaeve remembers Rand keeping a lamb warm all night and how proud he was and if they can take moments like that but make them said aloud I think it would go a long way to giving him some good characterization. But Rand also has a lot of good moments with Lan in book 2, when Lan realizes how hosed the kid truly is, so I'm hoping for more Rand focused stuff as he steps out as the main protagonist.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:This, yeah, plus it's clear the show is its own turn of the Wheel, so why the hell not? Bring it on, I say. In the first few episodes they've done such a great job that they get my full support of any and all changes. I like all the other characters to much to want to see them stuck in a box though.
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I have no idea on the perspective of a new viewer, but stuff like Rand saying he recognized that mountain followed by the bonus content with Siuan calling that mountain "Dragonmount" seems really blatant to me.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I can't find the direct quote but there's a part in one of the earlier books where either Egwene or Nynaeve remembers Rand keeping a lamb warm all night and how proud he was and if they can take moments like that but make them said aloud I think it would go a long way to giving him some good characterization. But Rand also has a lot of good moments with Lan in book 2, when Lan realizes how hosed the kid truly is, so I'm hoping for more Rand focused stuff as he steps out as the main protagonist. they'll absolutely need to be bringing in some extra stuff for rand to add to it, and since we seem to know that we'll see the stuff with him and tam as flashback content in the upcoming episodes due to leaked stills i bet they'll throw in a few things to get people rooting for the guy
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I could watch Logain's actor for hours. I'm so glad he's getting a bigger part.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Fwiw, my girl's prediction is Nynaeve. I'm honestly at the point where I'm wondering if it might be changed. They won't because of the dragon mount line, and a handful of other things, like him smashing through the door. Plus, there's departures from the books, and then there's departures from the loving books. I've been fine with the changes so far, but if they change Rand to not be freaking Rand, yeah, that would suck.
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Yeah - despite whatever changes have happened, none of the main characters have had any real departure from their book arcs so far - Mat still has the dagger issue, Perrin has the wolves, Egwene can channel and wants to be Aes Sedai, Nynaeve can channel but doesn't like Aes Sedai, etc. There is no loving way they would have Rand not be the Dragon Reborn - what would he even do if not that? And the amount of rewriting would be astronomical. For what? One huge shock moment that only hits the people who are book readers?
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At that point, they're not adapting the source material, but squandering it. And squandering one of the bigger selling points, which is that this isn't gonna pull a Game of Thrones because the ending is already written and known to be really good.
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I do expect a lot of unhappy reactions to the Rand = Dragon reveal, but any damage to the show from that (which I doubt will be permanent) will be sorta self-inflicted by the decision to emphasize the mystery
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I don't know that it'll play out all that poorly considering the fate of men who can channel, which is getting built up a lot better via Logain than we had at this point in the books. I think if it was a typical chosen one story it'd be a lot more poorly received.
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It's not impossible to rewrite the story with another character as the Dragon. You'd give that character's arc to Rand instead, and while there would be ramifications every step of the way, they'd be exactly the sort of ramifications that to good writers are an explosion of new avenues to explore. But in this case? No, they're not making changes like that.
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Guys the Dragon Reborn will not be changed --Major Show Spoilers Don't Click-- The Dragons birth on the slopes of Dragonmount is in episode 7  https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/the-wheel-of-time-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0xmdawodgw and so Is Tam  probably the Blood Snow scenes and maybe the fevered trip from their cottage to Emonds Field on Winternight too. Hexel fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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Hexel posted:Guys the Dragon Reborn will not be changed man I wish you hadnt posted this
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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:man I wish you hadnt posted this I said not to click it  Tbh we've known these things for months from the teaser and BTS images, it's just never been confirmed.
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Barreft posted:I thought we all knew that was Tigraine as the Aiel? Maybe? I was more weirded out about there being no veil so I wasn't sure.
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Hexel posted:I said not to click it I personally love that you posted this. So pumped for the next three weeks.
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What is the general opinion of the show on Amazon? I wish the prologue was there just because it was one of my favorite scenes in the entire series but I am going to hope they work it into Rand going mad because of how Lews Therin goes on and on about his wife
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longtimelurker posted:What is the general opinion of the show on Amazon? I wish the prologue was there just because it was one of my favorite scenes in the entire series but I am going to hope they work it into Rand going mad because of how Lews Therin goes on and on about his wife I think the LTT prologue is going to be the cold open for episode 8. "Here's how the old dragon checked out, and here's your new dragon". Since they seem to like to bookend things.
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Barreft posted:I thought we all knew that was Tigraine as the Aiel? thought it could have been some other cool people who were there but yeah, realistically the big awesome scene is going to involve the most important character to the story longtimelurker posted:What is the general opinion of the show on Amazon? officially very good at this point, i think, both from readers and non-readers. and most of the people who hate it are the kind of people you're fine with hating it
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yeah i think we basically already knew this because we were going on about the character not wearing a veil based on leaked stills that came out before the show even aired, which were absolutely going to be from season 1 and not 2
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I love the goofus and gallant wot threads Book thread: I think the freeze framed aiel from this teaser released 3 months ago is tigraine, rands mother, and furthermore,,, Tv thread: does being a warder to a straight woman turns you gay
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buffalo all day posted:Tv thread: does being a warder to a straight woman turns you gay lol in the tv thread's defense that was an quote from r/whitecloaks. i think even the worst poster here isn't that bad, thank god
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LTT and that ancient Aes Sedai lady are in episode 8 so it's entirely possible we get the EOTW prologue or at least something badass we've never seen before.
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of course, the answer to 'does being bonded to a straight woman who likes men make you like men even if you weren't into them before' is no, because this isn't dragonriders of pern
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buffalo all day posted:I love the goofus and gallant wot threads uh. no? https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/qrtiqd/casting_for_tigraine_and_other_characters_added/ That only took one google search. We talked about this a lot
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for the record of course they aren't going to change who the Dragon is. I'm just impressed that the show managed to even get me to think it might be a possibility. go watch the show if you haven't already. i've seen every episode twice now which, well, i just don't do
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:go watch the show if you haven't already. i've seen every episode twice now which, well, i just don't do Yea, i've watched each one 2 or 3 times. And i'm considering doing it again with a fine tooth comb and making videos pointing out all the little details, like the fade's horse's hoofprints and stuff.
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