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Erek melt-morphing them back together was what struck me as the most deus ex machina part of the book when I read it as a kid, but looking at it now, Jake's little speech about how You Needed To Learn To Work Together is also very pat and sitcommy. If that was the angle KA wanted to go with it's weird that she didn't make the whole thing a staged set-up with the Animorphs having figured out what the separate Rachels personality deal was, and tricking them into learning this. But... that was really Visser Three! You really nearly just died! Next book I remember finding frankly dull as a 10-year-old (IIRC it's very introspective) but which I expect will be much, much more engaging as an adult.
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# ? Dec 4, 2021 14:09 |
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Epicurius posted:For those of you who had read it before, did your opinion of it change at all? I still think it's awful. I used to think it was absolutely the worst book, and now... it probably still is the worst book, but man, there are some strong competitors for that title coming up. Epicurius posted:So, I haven't done this before. These are children's books and were written like 25 years ago, but that being said, this book has descriptions of torture, of disfigurement, of abuse, and of mental illness. Not this one, though. This one I always considered one of the best, and I'm interested to see if that's changed.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 02:41 |
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I forget who posted it but they hit the nail on the head when they said that the book’s biggest problem is that it’s repetitive. Within like 6 chapters we get it for both Mean and Wimp Rachel and every chapter just starts bleeding into each other. But good lord 33 is an experience. One of my favorites as a kid. Very deserving of that content warning though, this is going to get dark.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 02:50 |
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Epicurius posted:For those of you who had read it before, did your opinion of it change at all? Honestly no, as others have said I found it repetitive and the ending is a deus ex machina that feels a little undeserved. However this next one is great, the content warning is completely appropriate, but this is a book that does what Animorphs at its best is able to do.
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 04:05 |
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Well, lets see how traumatic this book turns out to be.. Book 33-The Illujsion Ghostwritten by Ellen Geroux There's not much I can find about Ellen Geroux. She seems not to have written anything else and isn't in public view. Katherine Applegate said that they originally hired her to deliver cookies to them, and she went on to be their most prolific ghostwriter. Michael Grant was asked at one time about her and said that while she was a great help at the time, serving as a personal assistant, ghostwriting, and managing their correspondence, they dropped out of touch and that has no idea what she's doing now. So, I hope she's doing well. Chapter 1 quote:My name is Tobias. As we've learned in this series, nothing good ever comes of school dances. It's good Rachel and Tobias are getting a moment, though, even if it's to the Goo Goo Dolls. Remember them? Chapter 2 quote:The time! So Tobias has a lot of old friends today. So, a few things come to mind. First, Rachel is being remarkably unfair and selfish here. And I get it. I mean, she wants a real relationship, she wants a 'normal' boyfriend, one who isn't a hawk most of the time. But even putting aside the fact that Tobias, if he becomes trapped in human morph, would be pretty much useless to the team , where would he go and how would he live. It's not like he's got a supportive family around to take him in. (And I swear to God, if one of you says, 'He could go live with the Chee!'...) Second, how remarkably coincidental is it that Tobias stops by a display that says, "Hawks live to 18 if they're lucky? It seems very on the nose. Third, Erek's smoking? The immortal bipedal dog shaped robot who is holographically disguised as a human teenager created a hologram of a cigarette and pretended to smoke it, only to pretend to throw it away when he saw Chapman? Why?
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 04:25 |
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NdYWuo9OFAw this is very obviously the song that’s playing and it’s painfully Rachel/Tobias
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 06:26 |
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I remember some scenes from this book....but the actual plot vanished from my mind. That's really cool about the ghostwriter, Ellen Geroux wrote a lot of good ones.
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Iris still slaps. This is a ghostwriter who clearly has a handle on the characters, a handle on how to write, and weirdly this already feels like a more "natural" Animorphs book than the previous one even though that was written by KA. (Was the previous one the book where it was given over to a ghostwriter but she didn't like the finished product and rewrote it herself at the last minute, or am I thinking of the cow one?) Although maybe it's just the fact that the school feels like a very classic Animorphs scene, bringing together the Animorphs and Erek and Chapman etc in their superhero double identity world. Kind actually feels like a missed opportunity for Tidwell to show up and remind us the Yeerk peace movement exists. Also I don't think Rachel would ever consciously, deliberately try to trap Tobias in human morph - but especially after the trauma she went through in the previous book, silly though it was, I can see her subconsciously angling towards it on a "whoopsy daisy, well it's happened now so let's try to find the positives" kind of way. quote:Tacked to the cork was the image of a bald eagle, wings spread wide, soaring in a deep blue sky. And a northern harrier on a fence post, silhouetted against the clouds. The bald eagle is obvious, but it's a nice subtle touch that the other bird of prey is the morph of the other person he's closest to. Although he's literally... sitting on the fence...
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# ? Dec 5, 2021 11:39 |
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This book is off to a strong start. Looking forward to where it goes.
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Epicurius posted:Third, Erek's smoking? The immortal bipedal dog shaped robot who is holographically disguised as a human teenager created a hologram of a cigarette and pretended to smoke it, only to pretend to throw it away when he saw Chapman? Why? I actually assumed he wasn't smoking, Chapman needed to talk to Erek about Sharing business and was using this excuse to take him aside. Though, in hindsight, it's true that that doesn't explain why Chapman would use an excuse that makes a Sharing member look bad. freebooter posted:Also I don't think Rachel would ever consciously, deliberately try to trap Tobias in human morph - but especially after the trauma she went through in the previous book, silly though it was, I can see her subconsciously angling towards it on a "whoopsy daisy, well it's happened now so let's try to find the positives" kind of way. I'm torn on this. I mostly agree with you, except that if she were angling for it, I don't think it'd be subconscious; Rachel is more than aware enough of Tobias's situation that anything she'd be doing, she'd be doing with full knowledge at all times. But I don't think she's really doing it here. I think she's a middle-school girl, traumatized by endless months of secret war, who right now just really wants this moment of peace with her boyfriend to never end. She wouldn't trap him, but she would, in a moment like this with her shields down, give him the opportunity to make the choice himself and tell him what she thinks their lives would be like if he did.
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disaster pastor posted:I actually assumed he wasn't smoking, Chapman needed to talk to Erek about Sharing business and was using this excuse to take him aside. Though, in hindsight, it's true that that doesn't explain why Chapman would use an excuse that makes a Sharing member look bad. You mean make the Sharing look cool in front of teenagers?
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Chapter 5quote:Rachel grabbed my arm “Over the gate,” she ordered. “There’s no other way. I’ll hold off Feyroyan. Meet you outside.” For a second our eyes met. She flashed a hint of a smile, Making the Saddam jokes before 9/11, no less (I have no idea what Tony-Eight Places means. I might have known what it meant tin 1999, but not now). Also, congrats to the Yeerks for managing to maintain an evil plan across two books. One commentary I heard about The Animorphs is that it's less about the war and more the affect the war has on its participants, and Tobias's comments about Jake sort of reflect that. Jake likes Tobias and wants to see him happy, but if winning means Tobias has to get crushed into dust, well, too bad Tobias. Chapter 4 quote:Cassie’s parents were gone for the day. Her mom was working at The Gardens. Her dad was at a vet conference. Can you figure out why? Epicurius fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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It's gotta be because if he gets hit while in "hawk morph" and doesn't demorph to Andalite, they'll think the ray doesn't work, right? Except something is gonna go wrong. Something always goes wrong.
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freebooter posted:(Was the previous one the book where it was given over to a ghostwriter but she didn't like the finished product and rewrote it herself at the last minute, or am I thinking of the cow one?) It was. Cowbook, she only rewrote the ending (and who knows how much else); starfish she apparently took one look at the manuscript, said "this is unsalvageable in the time left before the deadline" and just rewrote it from scratch. Or maybe Grant did, I guess.
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# ? Dec 6, 2021 08:17 |
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Twenty-Eight Palaces. The Animorphs seem to do this thing a lot where they purposely suggest an obviously flawed plan with a solution that involves a specific team member doing something horrible or suicidal but they want that person to suggest the "fix" Pwnstar fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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Fuschia tude posted:It was. Cowbook, she only rewrote the ending (and who knows how much else); starfish she apparently took one look at the manuscript, said "this is unsalvageable in the time left before the deadline" and just rewrote it from scratch. Or maybe Grant did, I guess. That could explain some of the issues with it. Not enough time to fully edit it. Especially compared to what we've seen in this book so far.
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Pwnstar posted:Twenty-Eight Palaces. That makes more sense and I've corrected it. And as for the second, it sort of makes sense from Jake's standpoint because it provides buy-in. Jake COULD say, "Tobias, I want you to be the one to carry out this suicidal plan", but Tobias is going to resent that a lot more than if he comes to his own realization that he has to be the one to do it. Also, narratively, of course, it works because it's the book's protagonist stepping up and realizing, "No, I have to do this heroic thing myself....." Epicurius fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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effervescible posted:It's gotta be because if he gets hit while in "hawk morph" and doesn't demorph to Andalite, they'll think the ray doesn't work, right? Except something is gonna go wrong. Something always goes wrong. The obvious thing that could go wrong here is that once they assume the ray doesn't work they'll kill him. Or assume they got a random bird, and kill him. For kids reading the original book it was clear what they were going to do since the answer is on the cover, but it's still a super crazy dangerous plan with a lot of holes.
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freebooter posted:The obvious thing that could go wrong here is that once they assume the ray doesn't work they'll kill him. That's kind of the unspoken part here. If the ray works, and is successfully tested, the test subject is infested or killed and the war's over. If it doesn't work, the test subject is still killed. But if the question is one Animorph's life vs. all of them, it's not a question at all. Jake knows it's potentially a suicide mission, and his conscience might let him live with that. But he also knows that it can't succeed even as a suicide mission if anyone other than Tobias does it (not only because Tobias's unmorphed form is a bird, but also because his unmorphed form can't be infested), and his conscience isn't yet at the point where it'll let him live with effectively ordering Tobias to go if he can in any way avoid it. Even if it's just by being noncommittal when anyone else volunteers, waiting for Tobias to come to the conclusion himself.
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# ? Dec 6, 2021 23:53 |
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Jake hasn't been reading about historical generals; he has been mainlining the George Smiley novels
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freebooter posted:For kids reading the original book it was clear what they were going to do since the answer is on the cover, but it's still a super crazy dangerous plan with a lot of holes. So an average Animorphs plan, then.
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Chapter 5quote:I saw the confirmation in Jake’s eyes. And in the hologram that gave Erek eyes. Marco clicked about a second later. I think we can be sure this won't be a picnic for Tobias. Also, I stole this joke from somebody else, I admit it, but what sort of achievement award you think Tom is going to get? "Congratulations on not dying from Kandrona starvation!"? "We thought you were a goner, but you pulled it off." Chapter 6 quote:Ax and I were busy with our own preparations that evening. I like it too. This is just a sweet chapter.. It's kind of a family thing. Ax is teaching his (sort of) nephew what it means to be an Andalite. I also like the idea that the natural instinct of the Andalites is towards optimism. It kind of explains a lot about them, the good things and even the bad things.
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# ? Dec 7, 2021 05:06 |
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Tobias and Ax
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# ? Dec 7, 2021 05:57 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 5 I don't think optimism is a... mood, though. Somehow it doesn't seem low-level enough to be instinctive.
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# ? Dec 7, 2021 10:51 |
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This seems like a tremendously terrible plan, what do they have on place to stop them from just forcibly infesting Tobias? Family andalite bonding is very heartwarming though.
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FlocksOfMice posted:This seems like a tremendously terrible plan, what do they have on place to stop them from just forcibly infesting Tobias? The hope that he won't be in Andalite morph long enough to be infested, since his hawk form can't be. So, yes, it's a tremendously terrible plan.
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Chapter 7quote:Saturday night. The grandest night of The Sharing’s giant publicity gala. I''m convinced this is a Yeerk trap.<No, cotton candy AND chocolate fondue. That'll smoke out any Andalites hiding> "Yes, Visser." It isn't explicitly mentioned in the book, but Tom got a certificate with the plaque. This is what Tom's certificate looks like, btw: Chapter 8 quote:<Ax! Ax! You’ll eat Marco!> I'm with Tobias here, more messing around. Also more Jake/human Visser Three interaction. Also, Tobias, really? You've seen the way Visser Three treats his subordinates, and you think it's weird that Tom squirms a little when Visser Three touches him?
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# ? Dec 8, 2021 05:27 |
I'm honestly surprised that V3 didn't waste Jake on the spot for daring to respond
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# ? Dec 8, 2021 10:44 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm honestly surprised that V3 didn't waste Jake on the spot for daring to respond As impulsive and arbitrary as V3 can be, I think he's probably smart and savvy enough not to kill a teenager in front of his parents and a crowd of people at a public relations event for a Yeerk front organization because said teenager kept him from swatting a fly on the teen.
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Epicurius posted:As impulsive and arbitrary as V3 can be, I think he's probably smart and savvy enough not to kill a teenager in front of his parents and a crowd of people at a public relations event for a Yeerk front organization because said teenager kept him from swatting a fly on the teen. I'll grant you that, but I think it's clear that he wasted at least half a dozen underlings when he got back to the Blade ship out of sheer frustration.
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Chapter 9quote:Jake and Ax parted ways. Jake went around the back of the community center building. Back away from the lights. He tried two of the doors. Both locked. Probably a good, if maybe overly obvious place to hide a tunnel? Also, you think Hork-Bajir need special bigger cards, or can they hold the normal ones? And are they former human-controllers who learned the game, or did poker become the big Yeerk game? Chapter 10 quote:It took an hour for Ax and me to extricate ourselves and round up the others. Oh, Tobias has a lot to lose. Also, how are they going to get past the access codes?
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quote:<Saddam without twenty-eight places, the special Republican Guard, and a jar of anthrax? Stop the flattery, man. You’re making me blush.> We both laughed. It felt good to hear Jake say i was indispensable, but: with Jake you could never be sure anymore what was sincere. And what was just expedient. What I love about this is it's probably genuine, but the nature of leadership poisons all of Jake's interactions. It's crushing.
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# ? Dec 9, 2021 17:07 |
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Too often in kid-lit (and frankly adult lit) you get a lot of morality plays about leadership being hard or you arrive with a fully-formed leader who exists in the narrative to prove a point or worldview, but Jake is one of the only examples I know of where you really see the arc and he's owning the role the way an actual human being would.
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# ? Dec 10, 2021 01:53 |
What book is it where Ax gets so pissed at Jake that he deliberately foregoes calling him "prince"? Always felt like that was a nice moment of demonstrating just how alienating Jake's decision making could be to a literal alien raised in a warrior caste.
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# ? Dec 10, 2021 01:59 |
It was just a couple books back, where they kidnap Chapman
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Chapter 11quote:<Everyone out. Everyone but Tobias and Rachel,> Jake ordered. <Ax? Be ready. I’m going for the lights.> Honestly, my favorite part of this chapter, the Sharing emcee, giving the speech how the Sharing is always dedicated and won't stop until they reach their goal, and the public crowd, ignorant of their real goal, applauding their dedication. Chapter 12 quote:Lights on! Cold of Taylor there not to even give her own subordinates the paralysis cure. Also, random thought, but why is Chapman not a subvisser? He's a senior official in the Sharing, reports directly to Visser Three, is often made to abandon his usual role to, say, run a construction crew or be V3's lickspittle sidekick. Give that Yeerk a raise.
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# ? Dec 10, 2021 04:33 |
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If Chapman got a promotion he couldn't be pushed around as much so they give him the duties of a higher rank but none of the authority.
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# ? Dec 10, 2021 07:48 |
Every operation he's led has ended in animal-driven failure, and you want to PROMOTE this moron?
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Taylor clearly got her degree in management from the Visser Three School of Leadership.
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