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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Neo_Crimson posted:

Garbodor doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Notch.

Yeah Notch is more like Bidoof

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



you can't catch four shiny notchs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NSS_adEekw

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Comrade Fakename posted:

The funniest thing about Bioshock Infinite is that after years of fever-pitch hype, just three months later it was utterly and completely overshadowed in everything it attempted to do technically and emotionally by the then relatively unanticipated The Last Of Us. Like, Bioshock had all this talk about the incredible technology to have Elizabeth as an AI hanging around with you, and then immediately afterwards Ellie (almost the same name, even!) is quietly a hundred times more impressive.

Even going backwards, I have never seen anyone articulate why Elizabeth is in any way more impressive than Alyx from the Half-Life episodes.

Also as I am wont to bring up, still weirded out by the intentional or not implications of saying one of Elizabeth's best aspects is that she doesn't get in the player's way.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
How many times is this thread going to say "Here's Dan Olson being a massive loving piece of poo poo" and then have it be revealed three posts later that the context was blown completely out of proportion

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

John Murdoch posted:

Even going backwards, I have never seen anyone articulate why Elizabeth is in any way more impressive than Alyx from the Half-Life episodes.

Does Alyx toss you ammo? That's the only thing I can think of, but even that's pretty weak as I can't think of any cool sequences you have with Elizabeth like you do with Alyx.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

i cant believe you would talk about ken levine's daughter like this

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Alaois posted:

i cant believe you would talk about ken levine's daughter like this

Get back to me when she can man a sniper rifle while I'm being attacked by Combine Headcrab Zombies. :colbert:

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

They definitely talked up how much Elizabeth could do on her own pre-release, when the actual game she became someone who just occasionally tossed you health and ammo, and would open a tear if directed.

As much as they talked about seeing the chaos happen instead of watching the aftermath, they do skip over the actual chaos immediately. There's a tiny section where people leave, but before that people are still walking around enjoying things, and after that things are just empty.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Comrade AI characters that won't stop in a doorway or block you from opening a chest or something is a big plus. Mastering the technology to keep AI from using cat instincts and swerving back and forth in front of your path is a marvel in and of itself.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

RareAcumen posted:

Comrade AI characters that won't stop in a doorway or block you from opening a chest or something is a big plus. Mastering the technology to keep AI from using cat instincts and swerving back and forth in front of your path is a marvel in and of itself.

yea resident evil 4 kicks rear end

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

BrianWilly posted:

How many times is this thread going to say "Here's Dan Olson being a massive loving piece of poo poo" and then have it be revealed three posts later that the context was blown completely out of proportion
seriously lol

he's just a milquetoast dude talkin' bout film theory and sometimes chicken nuggets. he's kind of a boring guy to go after

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

The 7th Guest posted:

seriously lol

he's just a milquetoast dude talkin' bout film theory and sometimes chicken nuggets. he's kind of a boring guy to go after

did u ever consider that he said suicide squad has bad editing once

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

BrianWilly posted:

How many times is this thread going to say "Here's Dan Olson being a massive loving piece of poo poo" and then have it be revealed three posts later that the context was blown completely out of proportion

Not until people leave behind the belief that slaying a name brand on twitter gives you their lost vitality.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Alaois posted:

did u ever consider that he said suicide squad has bad editing once
yeah well my clock says it's 17:24 but it hasn't had power in over three weeks.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Farm Frenzy posted:

yea resident evil 4 kicks rear end

It's a genius action movie solution. Just tell them 'wait here until the shooting and screaming stops, I will come get you' and boom, no more NPC wandering into where you just threw your grenade.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Are there people who like Suicide Squad?

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW

RareAcumen posted:

Comrade AI characters that won't stop in a doorway or block you from opening a chest or something is a big plus. Mastering the technology to keep AI from using cat instincts and swerving back and forth in front of your path is a marvel in and of itself.

Also the Sam & Max solution where Sam flings Max thirty feet straight into the air whenever Max gets in his way.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Are there people who like Suicide Squad?

Yes. I don't know if they're posting in here though.

Blood Nightmaster
Sep 6, 2011

“また遊んであげるわ!”
My father told me he genuinely enjoyed Suicide Squad during Thanksgiving dinner this year, specifically praising Jared Leto's performance as the Joker

In true Thanksgiving fashion we all just went, "wow, really!" and promptly changed the subject to something less polarizing

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

it has more to do with my general disinterest in superheroes than a sign of high or low quality, but you couldn't pay me to sit through a superhero movie as long as the snyder cut

and i've watched all of the quinton reviews icarly videos

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Comrade Fakename posted:

The funniest thing about Bioshock Infinite is that after years of fever-pitch hype, just three months later it was utterly and completely overshadowed in everything it attempted to do technically and emotionally by the then relatively unanticipated The Last Of Us. Like, Bioshock had all this talk about the incredible technology to have Elizabeth as an AI hanging around with you, and then immediately afterwards Ellie (almost the same name, even!) is quietly a hundred times more impressive.

Also, it's funny that Bioshock 2 has this reputation as the secret best Bioshock (in classic hipster style, the best one is the one YOU didn't play), when it is easily the most centrist Bioshock. The entire point of the game is to say "oh, did you think atheistic libertarianism was bad? Well guess what: religious communism is also bad."

Nah Infinite is way more centrist than 2, it literally does a “both sides have their issues” in game rather than existing as a counterpoint to the first one. My biggest issue with Infinite is that it sort of fools you into believing that it’s going to be a polemic like Bioshock was but at the end the rug gets pulled out and it’s head-fully-up-its-rear end metaphysical bullshit. The political themes are window dressing and are treated with exactly that much nuance, which wouldn’t be quite so frustrating if they hadn’t hosed both things up so bad.

Bioshock 2 *does* feature a villain who at first glance represents collectivism in a way similar to how Andrew Ryan represents objectivism, but there are a few differences that defang the criticism and keep it from feeling like just some Both Sides poo poo. The biggest is that Ryan’s beliefs are very explicitly drawn from one book and one person’s ideology, whereas Lamb is not representing any specific strain of collectivist thought (she’s not a Marxist or anything along those lines). Ryan most resembles titans of business like Disney, Ford, Rockefeller, and is right out of the mind of Rand, but Lamb is not a communist or a socialist, she’s more akin to a secular Jim Jones or Rajneesh guru-cult leader type. She’s a psychiatrist who has a large client-base of damaged people in a deeply unhealthy environment who decides to start a movement because as a space existing in a vacuum, Rapture magnifies any sort of ideological conflict into a fight for survival. Lamb exists in Rapture only as an opposing force, not inherently representing any specific ideology. It’s very likely she was created as an opposite of Andrew Ryan not to give the left it’s jabs but because creating a villain too similar to Ryan would just be retreading old ground.

It’s not as incisive a commentary because it’s not as specific. This could be a knock against the game, but Bioshock 2 replaces political themes with more personal ones. The personal journey of Alpha is given more weight than the player-character in the first game (who is, in the most literal definition, a tool with no real driving force). It’s still not very much, but the relationship between Eleanor and Alpha is more fleshed out than any relationship in the first game (which is sort of an unfair criticism of the first game because it’s clear immediately that it’s not a game about personal relationships). It’s the right direction for a quick cash-grab sequel to take because actually going in and making a second full-on political commentary would require some real adjusting of the setting and more time than they had to make it, but it’s very easy to take the beautiful world that was crafted in Bioshock and make new stories in it, which is what they did.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

BrianWilly posted:

How many times is this thread going to say "Here's Dan Olson being a massive loving piece of poo poo" and then have it be revealed three posts later that the context was blown completely out of proportion

Posting Twitter links should be probatable to be honest.

At this point it's worse than anime.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

BrianWilly posted:

How many times is this thread going to say "Here's Dan Olson being a massive loving piece of poo poo" and then have it be revealed three posts later that the context was blown completely out of proportion

Antigravitas posted:

Posting Twitter links should be probatable to be honest.

At this point it's worse than anime.
im going to combine these topics by pointing out that his evangelion video is founded on a completely untrue premise, namely that hideaki anno has something against otaku/pervy anime when the man owns 3 separate blu-rays of the strike witches movie. that is the only reason i dislike him.

also his tweet about anime was kind of weird. so really it all comes back to anime

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
Our universe got the Far Cry series, where you play the same game over and over in different overseas vacation hot spots, but there's another timeline where they got a Bioshock series where you get to play the same game over and over in various failed Libertarian Utopian projects and I want to play that series.

We've had undersea rapture and cloud rapture, but what about Mars Colony Rapture, Free State Project Rapture (the Big Daddies are just bears), Boat City Rapture (there's enough dumb stuff in seasteading to double dip), Cyberpunk Arcology Rapture, Why Are All Libertarians One Bad Day Away From Being Unironic Monarchists Rapture...

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Acute Grill posted:

Our universe got the Far Cry series, where you play the same game over and over in different overseas vacation hot spots, but there's another timeline where they got a Bioshock series where you get to play the same game over and over in various failed Libertarian Utopian projects and I want to play that series.

We've had undersea rapture and cloud rapture, but what about Mars Colony Rapture, Free State Project Rapture (the Big Daddies are just bears), Boat City Rapture (there's enough dumb stuff in seasteading to double dip), Cyberpunk Arcology Rapture, Why Are All Libertarians One Bad Day Away From Being Unironic Monarchists Rapture...

After watching that video I posted earlier about Walt Disney’s plans for the original EPCOT my first thought was “oh this is the next Bioshock setting”, a corpo-fash future that looks not like Night City but Tomorrowland

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Are there people who like Suicide Squad?

it is a revolutionary marxist post-racial interrogation of war on terror and prison industrial complex or something

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Are there people who like Suicide Squad?

Not sure if "not hating it" counts as liking it. It had some decent moments, undercut by horrendous editing and some very poor writing. Also Leto's Joker was fine and fit fine with the stupidity of your average comic book movie. Its a very 5/10 movie, its not terrible but its also not good. It's just meh.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqWjq2SdzpI

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Endorph posted:

im going to combine these topics by pointing out that his evangelion video is founded on a completely untrue premise, namely that hideaki anno has something against otaku/pervy anime when the man owns 3 separate blu-rays of the strike witches movie. that is the only reason i dislike him.

also his tweet about anime was kind of weird. so really it all comes back to anime

I generally like Dan’s videos but yeah his evangelion video was hilariously wrong about a lot of things and blindly took long-standing english fandom myths at face value.

Augus fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Dec 7, 2021

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Are there people who like Suicide Squad?

At one time, not unlike Trank's Fan4stic, I was curious to see the un-Frankenstein-ed version of the film but as more comes out about both original plans for the movies I feel confident enough to timidly suggest neither would have been very good either.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

The dumbest thing Dan said was the bit about blizzcon that one year, don't criticize blizzard because 4chins likes it, when that guy in the crowd just asked "Is this an april fool's joke?" about the really bad Diablo mobile thing.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Dawgstar posted:

At one time, not unlike Trank's Fan4stic, I was curious to see the un-Frankenstein-ed version of the film but as more comes out about both original plans for the movies I feel confident enough to timidly suggest neither would have been very good either.

I wanna see that original cut just because the fact that a trailer company got final cut rights is completely insane to the point where I wanna see how that particular sausage was made.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Dawgstar posted:

At one time, not unlike Trank's Fan4stic, I was curious to see the un-Frankenstein-ed version of the film but as more comes out about both original plans for the movies I feel confident enough to timidly suggest neither would have been very good either.

Oh wow, is more info out about them both?

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
Dan was off about some background lore he mentioned in his Bloodborne endings video so now I’ve sworn a blood feud against him.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

The Bee posted:

Oh wow, is more info out about them both?

It boils down to 'more Leto Joker' which no thank you ever and in the F4 flick how basically Sue was a supporting character which also no. (FF but make it body horror is still kind of interesting as an idea.)

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Dawgstar posted:

(FF but make it body horror is still kind of interesting as an idea.)

Yeah but Batman Beyond still pretty much already did that idea twenty years before Trank.

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!
Hope you're not sick of representation discourse yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cR3b2Gblq0

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Nuns with Guns posted:

Dan was off about some background lore he mentioned in his Bloodborne endings video so now I’ve sworn a blood feud against him.

All that other stuff is nothing compared to this. What the hell!!!!

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Here's how all Twitter discourses should be resolved : the discourse subject being forced to watch more Evangelion

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Augus posted:

I generally like Dan’s videos but yeah his evangelion video was hilariously wrong about a lot of things and blindly took long-standing english fandom myths at face value.
think its a symptom of him not caring about anime/thinking its lesser which, well the first one is fine but the second one isn't, but either way it means he had zero impulse to do any research or put evangelion in the context of the medium, and since he likes eva he also needs it to be better/somehow morally and intellectually superior to other anime, which he mostly doesnt like. hence all the dumb mythologizing

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