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this also makes it harder for them to announce christmas restrictions so christmas is saved!
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keep punching joe posted:Hope this omicron isn't serious, will be hard to get the public to comply with restrictions after a fortnight of being told that it's mild and everything is fine. It's not looking good re: transmission and vaccine escape, at all Basically this thing is going to be a tsunami, and we better hope by some miracle that the virus is much, much less severe than Delta
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Jippa posted:They announced that over 40's can get the jab now after 3 months just now but still haven't updated their website. Was just able to book my 3rd shot. Time since second shot is 5 months for me, they've now made it bookable after 3 months
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Dec 8, 2021 12:28
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Prepare to be welded into your homes - a reliable source
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Dec 8, 2021 12:30
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Barry Foster posted:Basically this thing is going to be a tsunami, and we better hope by some miracle that the virus is much, much less severe than Delta Narrator: It was not. 
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Dec 8, 2021 12:35
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Barry Foster posted:It's not looking good re: transmission and vaccine escape, at all https://www.cityam.com/anxiously-op...s-deadly-delta/ According to this, so far no one has died of Omicron (that have been tested.) Some health experts are saying to let it rip to supplant the much more deadly delta. It is a natural cycle for viruses to mutate to become faster spreading but less lethal. Viruses want to survive, and killing your host is a bad strategy, you want to make everyone mildly sick and keep on trucking. I was reading something the other day that was pointing out the the 1918 Spanish flu virus is still around, but it's now just one of the thousands of common cold/flu viruses. Of course, it's still far to early to be sure, so early caution is a good idea.
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Yup. Seriously, y'all, invest in KN95 (FFP2) masks, get boosted ASAP, and change your behaviour, because this is probably going to be a nightmare
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Grey Hunter posted:According to this, so far no one has died of Omicron (that have been tested.) To the first - the "health experts" saying that are loving insane. A less lethal virus that spreads more quickly is going to kill far more people than a more lethal but less transmissible one. It would be social murder unless, by some miracle, omicron causes no fatalities whatsoever (and then there's the other, non-death outcomes to still worry about) To the second - that's old and discredited science, there is no selection pressure on covid to become less lethal because it kills long after it's replicated and spread. It could happen by random chance, but there is no inevitable curve towards being less severe.
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blunt posted:Narrator: It was not. John Burn-Murdoch (who actually make these graphs) had a long twitter thread yesterday about how early data from South Africa on omicron is looking quite positive that it has much less severe outcomes than delta.
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Grey Hunter posted:https://www.cityam.com/anxiously-op...s-deadly-delta/ FWIW this is sheer delusion. Omicron will do everything that the wild-type variant did, but will likely almost completely evade antibody neutralisation unless you're ≥3x vaxxed with an mRNA or JnJ vaccine, or else some combination of vaxxed+prior infection. And even that will still probably not confer a huge amount of protection it seems
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peanut- posted:John Burn-Murdoch (who actually make these graphs) had a long twitter thread yesterday about how early data from South Africa on omicron is looking quite positive that it has much less severe outcomes than delta. Dude makes great graphs but is not an epidemiologist, and extrapolating from the early stage of an infection wave from a country with such different demographics is stupid, at best
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Dec 8, 2021 12:43
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Failed Imagineer posted:Dude makes great graphs but is not an epidemiologist, and extrapolating from the early stage of an infection wave from a country with such different demographics is stupid, at best So the graphs that say things are bad are good, but the graphs from the same guy saying things are good are bad?
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Dec 8, 2021 12:49
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Failed Imagineer posted:FWIW this is sheer delusion. Omicron will do everything that the wild-type variant did, but will likely almost completely evade antibody neutralisation unless you're ≥3x vaxxed with an mRNA or JnJ vaccine, or else some combination of vaxxed+prior infection. And even that will still probably not confer a huge amount of protection it seems Evading neutralisation says nothing at all about how severe the disease it causes, though. Delta already evades neutralisation by both prior infection and vaccination, but doesn't cause any worse disease in those with some degree of prior immunity - the fact that our new cases have been running at over 40k/day since the summer but our deaths have stayed below 200/day (compared to way over a thousand a day at the height of the last wave, which was with the original variant and Alpha) is unfortunately grim proof of this. (Obviously 200 deaths a day is still 200 too many and it's ridiculous how this seems to be a level of death that the collective brains of the establishment are fine with) e: Also I assume you've been hanging around in the CSPAM covid thread both because of the doomerism and because you mentioned J&J, which I don't think ever got used in any great quantity here, and not AZ, which the majority of our most vulnerable had, and which is possibly the reason *why* we're not dying in much greater numbers. It doesn't give as good an initial response as the mRNA vaccines but it *does* seem to give longer-lasting protection against serious illness and death, especially with the 12-week dosing schedule we lucked into, to the point where by now - even pre-booster - I would have better protection against serious illness with my March first dose of AZ than the people who got Pfizer in June and July. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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i think it will all be fine, and i think history is with me on this one
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Dec 8, 2021 12:51
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Barry, I like you, but you've been doom posting about Omicron since it first got discovered, and it's just miserable and counterproductive. You are stating your dark prophecies as fact, when actually it is just as speculative as any other prediction. Feel free to share credible sources to contradict me here. It might be loving awful, it might be alright. Either way, everyone should just take the precautions and do what they can to distance and be safe while protecting their sanity.
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If you think I'm insufficiently optimistic then feel free to listen to noted joker madlad Failed Imagineer instead But yes, fine, I'll stop posting, I just don't want people I like winding up on the back foot with this and getting caught out. I think calling to replace cloth or surgical masks with n95s is pretty reasonable
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Dec 8, 2021 12:57
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efb: but yeah, your incessant doomposting is loving with my anxiety
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Dec 8, 2021 12:58
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Dec 8, 2021 12:59
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BoJo is throwing his staff under the bus edit: lmao he's denying a party took place
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Dec 8, 2021 13:03
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away for a walk around town with your big bell and sandwich board
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Dec 8, 2021 13:04
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Bobby Deluxe posted:"This is an absolute car crash for the government's reputation." None of that really matters compared to the press finding out there was a party they weren't invited to twelve months ago. https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1468525121468084227 No need to get the police involved, says a man who once ran over a deliveroo driver pished.
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Dec 8, 2021 13:05
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it's surreal how iterative this whole thing is, though like maybe the idea that the goal is to get back to normal needs a fundamental rethink
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Boris just played the "playing politics with the issue" card. I'm not a fan of Keith by any means, but he's having a good day today. why can't he be this angry all the time? He may well get something done! If wishes were fishes.....
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Boris is astonishingly bad at politics outside of his trick of laughing things off and pandering to racists. When that fails you see him floundering like the hack he is.
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It's weird that this is the straw that broke the camel's back. The Tory party has been doing this poo poo for over a decade but this is the thing they're going all in on. Guess Starmer proved he's a good boy who'll do as he's told. Bug Squash posted:Boris is astonishingly bad at politics outside of his trick of laughing things off and pandering to racists. When that fails you see him floundering like the hack he is. Boris' only trick is being incredibly wealthy and having the full backing of the press. He's always been poo poo at everything he's ever done, he's just never been allowed to fail. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Dec 8, 2021 13:22
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I hope there's a VONC. Love a good VONC. Missed that drama.
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Put a bangin VONC on it.
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Comrade Fakename posted:So the graphs that say things are bad are good, but the graphs from the same guy saying things are good are bad? No the graphs are fine, good colours and all. The problem is when you become so good at making graphs that you try to make public health pronouncements. Similar to how in my job when the biostats and programming team try to make contributions to clinical documentation and their overconfidence leads to hilarious blunders that I have to fix because I'm an actual biologist
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Evading neutralisation says nothing at all about how severe the disease it causes, though. I'm not talking about AZ because I haven't seen any worthwhile preprints on its efficacy wrt nAbs and omicron variant. To your first point above though, obviously I agree. And nAbs are obviously just the easiest component of a complete immune response that's easiest to model in vitro
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nostalgic for old tereezer's weekly VONCs and going on television to have a shout at the nation with her warbly voice like a temporary teacher atop the precipice of a nervous breakdown
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1468554606800220164 Lol this was just asked in PMQs
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crispix posted:nostalgic for old tereezer's weekly VONCs and going on television to have a shout at the nation with her warbly voice like a temporary teacher atop the precipice of a nervous breakdown *whispers* vonc...vonc....vonc *bangs table* VONC! VONC! VONC! ah nostalgia
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Doomposting is fine, it makes everything feel more dramatic and exciting. Also gently caress me, I got my covid booster on Monday and it hosed me up even worse than my first one. Was not expecting that after having such a mild response to the second one. Only just back to normal today.
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Failed Imagineer posted:extrapolating from the early stage of an infection wave from a country with such different demographics is stupid, at best This applies both ways
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Barry Foster posted:If you think I'm insufficiently optimistic then feel free to listen to noted joker madlad Failed Imagineer instead An N or KN 95 will give you a little extra protection over a standard FFP1 dust mask that you can buy from B&Q and only a modicum more than a scarf/nuisance mask. This is because you don't get moisture droplet prevention until FFP3 level. But thats only half the story. Not only will you need an FFP3 mask that you have been face fit tested for to ensure it forms a seal, you will also need to shave every 4-6 hours to stop facial hair from breaking the seal around your face. You will also need to adhere to the correct donning/doffing procedures and wear the other forms of PPE as specified by current guidance. A face shield/visor, isolation gown, Nitrile/Vinyl gloves and shoe covers. As guidance the current market price for a genuine FFP3 mask is around £2-4 each. And you have to bin them every time you take it off. Most users go through 3-4 a day during an 8 hour work shift. If you want to go everywhere wearing an FFP2 mask feel free. If it makes you feel better thats fine, but its not the magic bullet you think it is.
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Barry Foster posted:Ok, I'm out. I'd say keep on posting friend, yes there's been a lot of doomposting but life is rough these days and people need to vent sometimes. Maybe spoiler tags and trigger warnings from people could be useful. Just don't want you to feel like you're alone while you're in a bad place. Booster chat: Not had mine yet but the theme I'm getting is that it'll be worse than the initial shots. Not looking forward to that.
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