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Bloody people on taxpayer money having all these kids, it's irresponsible I tell yer.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:32
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Covers neatly for the electoral commission fining the Tories over the flat refurbishment https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-flat-downing-street-law-b1972748.html
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Dec 9, 2021 11:35
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Oh I see Johnson has announced another baby he's presumably going to tell a room of journalists he also doesn't love. Also on the voting front I will vote Labour, although in my case it's easier because I have a pro-Corbyn MP who's a good lad.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:35
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keep punching joe posted:Everyone should vote SNP imo. When and how is this meant to happen?
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Dec 9, 2021 11:39
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keep punching joe posted:Everyone should vote SNP imo. Yes I will do this easy task in my constituency in east London. After that I'll vote Sinn Fein. Then maybe for Die Linke.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:42
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When they run south of the border. Or more likely when George Galloway sets up the Social Nationalist Party with his ballbag as a logo and a bunch of people vote for them by mistake.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:43
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Cookie Cutter posted:When and how is this meant to happen? If you accept the premise that English politics is hosed for the next 20 years, what's stopping you from moving? It's the lowest bar of emigration, don't even need a passport.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:47
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keep punching joe posted:If you accept the premise that English politics is hosed for the next 20 years, what's stopping you from moving? It's the lowest bar of emigration, don't even need a passport. I live and work in Scotland. I'm talking about independence in general. Don't get me wrong, I think it'd be nice, but how are the SNP meant to bring it about?
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Dec 9, 2021 11:48
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Also the idea that independence is going to usher in a less hosed society, which uh... I mean Ireland seems like it's just a different flavour of tory so I dunno if that's really necessarily likely.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:52
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vote albalaba ah nivur tuched they weemin
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Doccykins posted:Covers neatly for the electoral commission fining the Tories over the flat refurbishment I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out child #16 was induced to throw off the curse.
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Dec 9, 2021 11:55
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OwlFancier posted:Also the idea that independence is going to usher in a less hosed society, which uh... I mean Ireland seems like it's just a different flavour of tory so I dunno if that's really necessarily likely. Meh it's worth a punt, can't be any worse than the current fever dream of British life.
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For me there's one main contradiction that I've not seen a good explanation for, if anyone can clear it up I'd be thankful. Most people I talk to who are pro-Indy have this idea of a timeline of future events that includes voting SNP as a path to independence, after which we'll be able to break their deadlock on politics north of the border and vote in some kind of green-socialist coalition. This is a pretty commonly held point of view in my anecdotal experience, but my issue with it is, it seems to be dependant on a parliamentary liberal party with total dominance of the political sphere to deliberately make the choice to kneecap their own position by solving the main issue that keeps handing them electoral victory, and graciously hand the reigns over to the people... when has this ever happened?
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Dec 9, 2021 12:00
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So I have been firmly against independence for a long time on the grounds that it would cause a lot of economic damage to the poor and that nationalism is generally bad but am swithering because of things like the policing bill. Put simply I just don't want to live in a state primarily run by the fash. Not voting SNP though.
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Dec 9, 2021 12:02
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Trickjaw posted:I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out child #16 was induced to throw off the curse. I don't think even Carrie would risk her unborn child to save Boris.... *BUT* if you can believe Cummings tweets, Boris has been having tantrums, screaming at the top of his voice and smashing up the flat. A heavily pregnant person living in an environment like that could very easily be naturally induced into giving birth.
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Dec 9, 2021 12:04
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Dec 9, 2021 12:05
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if you live in a constituency with an SCG member or a would-be SCG Labour candidate, and you don't vote for them, you can go gently caress yourself.
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Dec 9, 2021 12:11
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Trickjaw posted:I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out child #16 was induced to throw off the curse. https://twitter.com/LanceJCarter/status/1468889960803667968
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Dec 9, 2021 12:12
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Comrade Fakename posted:if you live in a constituency with an SCG member or a would-be SCG Labour candidate, and you don't vote for them, you can go gently caress yourself. Lol what kind of socialist would anchor themselves to Labour these days, after witnessing the past 5 years?
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Dec 9, 2021 12:14
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Comrade Fakename posted:if you live in a constituency with an SCG member or a would-be SCG Labour candidate, and you don't vote for them, you can go gently caress yourself. Less than half of the SCG are any good. They don't even defend their own.
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Dec 9, 2021 12:20
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I wish people could actually let Labour die, so that some kind of genuine Left wing party can rise from the ashes. Trying to salvage the unsalvageable helps nobody.
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fuctifino posted:I wish people could actually let Labour die, so that some kind of genuine Left wing party can rise from the ashes. yeah and because it'll take years, possibly a decade at best, for a new party to establish itself, this pissing about is extra dire
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Dec 9, 2021 12:26
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Comrade Fakename posted:if you live in a constituency with an SCG member or a would-be SCG Labour candidate, and you don't vote for them, you can go gently caress yourself. My MP is Stella Creasy. There's nothing that could get me to vote for her under this current leadership. I didn't particularly enjoy voting for her when Corbyn was in charge
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Cookie Cutter posted:For me there's one main contradiction that I've not seen a good explanation for, if anyone can clear it up I'd be thankful. Most people I talk to who are pro-Indy have this idea of a timeline of future events that includes voting SNP as a path to independence, after which we'll be able to break their deadlock on politics north of the border and vote in some kind of green-socialist coalition. The claim has always been that the SNP are a coalition of parties united in the cause of independence but ultimately incompatible with one another. Once Scotland is free from the Hated English Yoke TM, this coalition will dissolve and Scotland will be governed by one of the new parties that forms. There are two main flaws with this logic. First, if the SNP really were a coalition of incompatible groups then they wouldn't be able to agree on any policy outside of independence. This is patently not the case, and even if it were then they'd not be capable of making plans for what would happen if they actually succeeded in their goal. They'd be the last people you'd ever want to lead a new country, even including the Tories. Second, it presumes that the largest faction in the SNP wouldn't simply take over the party apparatus after the smaller groups broke away and ride that to electoral success. Most of the smaller factions would probably remain anyway; they like being close to power and they're already toeing the party line if they don't like it.
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If they called an election tomorrow I'd vote NIP probably. I'm having real problems squaring the fact that FPTP is a red team blue team game, and I don't want to enable the tories, but the only parties with principles I can get on board with are minor parties. Whether I like it or not I'm relatively privileged, so it feels like a safe move for me to tell myself it's OK to vote my beliefs when I'm not currently in hardship. (Unless you want to count the experience of being trans on terf island, but even then). But what do you do when the only parties that have a stated cause of dismantling the privileges you benefit from have little to no chance of getting in? If it feels like there's a groundswell of "vote labour anyway even though they're poo poo now" I guess I'll go along with and then agitate for more leftward policy, if they'll even let me join again at this point. I burnt some bridges with the terfs running my CLP. IDK. Bleak, but I can't imagine what it's like to be in the same idealogical position and also getting hosed harder by the economic state of things.
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mrpwase posted:Hopefully this scheme lets young people contribute scientifically to the deaths of as many Nazis as possible
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I'm so loving angry about politics right now but leave her alone imo. Let Boris take the heat, he deserves it.
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:My MP is Stella Creasy. There's nothing that could get me to vote for her under this current leadership. I didn't particularly enjoy voting for her when Corbyn was in charge Did you live there when Neil Gerrard was the MP? He was left - cut rather in the mould of Michael Foot. I wrote to him about the Iraq War which is when I found out that at the time (and maybe still now, I'm not sure), the UK could go to war without going through parliament. (He voted against Iraq war). I also wrote to him in 2005 saying I was sorry I would not be able to vote for him because Blair would take it as a vindication of support for him. (He still won Walthamstow though). Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Convex posted:I'm so loving angry about politics right now but leave her alone imo. Let Boris take the heat, he deserves it. The entire party story is a big brain Dom Vs Carrie proxy war
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Cookie Cutter posted:For me there's one main contradiction that I've not seen a good explanation for, if anyone can clear it up I'd be thankful. Most people I talk to who are pro-Indy have this idea of a timeline of future events that includes voting SNP as a path to independence, after which we'll be able to break their deadlock on politics north of the border and vote in some kind of green-socialist coalition. I think there's two parts to this, first the question of whether it's in the SNP's interest to actually achieve independence, and then the question of whether independence will break the SNP's current deadlock on power. On the first, I don't think it's actually true that achieving independence will actually kneecap their own position, it doesn't seem to me to be the case that the party which achieves a major goal like that signs their own death warrant; indeed I'd argue the opposite is true. Achieving the end of Apartheid didn't break the ANC, Indian independence didn't end the INC. Sinn Fein split over abstentionism, but it was the branch of the party that wanted to continue liberal parliamentary politics that became Fianna Fail. Obviously there's elements of violence in all these cases which one might argue makes them incomparable with the SNP's case, but I don't personally think that's particularly important, rather, I think it's generally true that a nationalist party with a near-monopoly on nationalist politics tends to be rewarded with a dominant position in post-independence politics that lasts decades. For that reason I think the SNP achieving independence will be to their benefit, not their detriment.* For exactly the same reason though, it's also why I am somewhat skeptical of a future green-socialist coalition sweeping away the SNP post-independence. It's often taken as a given that the SNP will just break up after their objective is achieved, but I don't think that's likely to be the case at all. I'd expect independence to lead to about 20 years of government by whatever the SNP renames themselves. *Even if this were not true, I think it's cynical to a fault to assume that non-socialist politicans just want to hold on to power at any cost, rather than having things they actually believe in and want to achieve. You can look at the Labour right's actions during Corbyn's term as Labour Leader to see proof of that--there were plenty of people who would rather lose the election than be given the power and mandate to enact socialist policy. Politicians do genuinely have political beliefs they consider more important than staying in power. And even if you assume this is not true for the people at the very top, political parties are usually not dictatorships. Leaders of the SNP are vulnerable to internal revolts (albeit that the SNP seem to do a remarkably good job at party discipline), and there's an entire wing of the party devoted to pushing the independence issue harder than the current leadership are doing. If that group hits a critical mass the current leadership is out of power just as much as they would be if they lost an election, so even if the SNP as an entity could sit at the top indefinitely holding independence juuuuust out of reach, it's in the personal self-interest of any particular SNP leader to be the one who actually gets the project over the line and get your name in the history books and another five to ten years in power as Prime Minister of an independent Scotland vs. just being a footnote leader deposed by your party's fundamentalist wing.
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Convex posted:I'm so loving angry about politics right now but leave her alone imo. Let Boris take the heat, he deserves it. Carrie Symonds cheated on her partner to be Boris's mistress when Boris was still married to his now ex-wife, who I think may have been pregnant at the time - I know Boris has done that at least once, but the timeline of his infidelities is impossible to track. Either way she's a repellent person who knew exactly what she was crawling into bed with. She chose this. E: no, it was the other wife. Marina Wheeler just got discarded. Jedit fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Doccykins posted:The entire party story is a big brain Dom Vs Carrie proxy war Dom is furiously rage tweeting again this morning and knifing Boris from multiple angles
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Isomermaid posted:the fact that FPTP is a red team blue team game What the unions can do with money they free up from supporting Labour will be interesting as to where this goes.
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Jedit posted:Carrie Symonds cheated on her partner to be Boris's mistress when Boris was still married to his now ex-wife, who I think may have been pregnant at the time - I know Boris has done that at least once, but the timeline of his infidelities is impossible to track. Either way she's a repellent person who knew exactly what she was crawling into bed with. She chose this. We don't know her motivations and we don't know what went on behind closed doors. Yes, she made a horrible decision but Boris is the one with the pattern of behaviour and we don't need to get to him through her
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Scottish independence wouldn't create a perfect society in itself but it would be very funny to see the breakup of the UK.
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When I worked in Scottish Politics (circa 2005-2010) I think the SNP being a loose grouping of various nothing causes and other ideologies plus independence thing was generally true but a decade in power has made something of them. They still don't believe in all that much but they are a powerful brand now and that's important for winning elections. They are very like the Lib Dems for me, you don't really need to believe all that much to join, but vitally they do have a uniting cause to rally round. The Lib Dems haven't had that in ages or arguably ever. Believing in nothing ideological in particular has its advantages as well, it's easy to get people on board and you can be really flexible in policy terms.
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Jedit posted:Carrie Symonds cheated on her partner to be Boris's mistress when Boris was still married to his now ex-wife, who I think may have been pregnant at the time
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OwlFancier posted:Also the idea that independence is going to usher in a less hosed society, which uh... I mean Ireland seems like it's just a different flavour of tory so I dunno if that's really necessarily likely. True, but tbh I think I'd take the Tory-lite cunts we have here over the British Tory-lite wet egg cunts
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