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zone
Dec 6, 2016

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Are you saying that the historical usage of sanitariums is a net good for society?


Everything else there also does not really cohere with reports of how people behaved in previous plagues and pandemics. We've always been this shortsighted.

I'm not saying that it was good, just that it was what was happening then

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Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Whatever doesn't kill me just makes me a softer target for the next rear end in a top hat

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Is this some sort of Original Antigenic Sin response? Your body is trying to throw antibodies that work on other common coronaviruses at it, but they do nothing, and then it has to take a longer time for your body to switch around to manufacturing SARS-CoV-2 specific B-cells?


This also seems to imply that efficacy isn't a 100% to 0% scale, but that as our vaccines become less efficacious they may actually become counterproductive. This also seems like it may mean it's a bad idea to repeatedly boost yourself since you want to vaccinate with something more likely to generate a new B-Cell response instead of just throwing more of the existing ones at it.

Notorious R.I.M. fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Dec 10, 2021

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

zone posted:

Shouldn't be long, then. Healthcare systems across the world will begin collapsing by january at the latest.

Ehhhhh. This thread has been clamoring about this for ages, yet the ability of healthcare systems to asymptotically approach collapse without ever going over the edge keeps defying your predictions. Maybe omicron will finally be the one to go the distance, but maybe they'll just continue skating eternally along a razorblade without ever falling off.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Kylaer posted:

I will say, working on dying covid patients does really drive home the fact that you can trust your respirator. I have no concern going to the grocery store, the gym, or any other public building, while wearing that level of protection, and I never wear anything less.
:rubby:

Sometimes it's good to be reminded of this. COVID sucks, but PPE really does protect people the way it's supposed to.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Is this some sort of Original Antigenic Sin response? Your body is trying to throw antibodies that work on other common coronaviruses at it, but they do nothing, and then it has to take a longer time for your body to switch around to manufacturing SARS-CoV-2 specific B-cells?

lol mask wearing cave dwellers proven right again. if you stayed home and kept from getting a cold all last year you're in a very slightly better spot it seems

zone
Dec 6, 2016

mod sassinator posted:

lol mask wearing cave dwellers proven right again. if you stayed home and kept from getting a cold all last year you're in a very slightly better spot it seems

:stoked:

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

triple mRNAd + p100 elastomeric efficacy check

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Google Butt posted:

triple mRNAd + p100 elastomeric efficacy check

100% - wear your eye protection%

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Thoguh posted:

Sometimes it's good to be reminded of this. COVID sucks, but PPE really does protect people the way it's supposed to.

mask :mad:

McNugget Buddy
Aug 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

So anyone who was in a public facing job pre-COVID is probably hosed

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

McNugget Buddy posted:

So anyone who was in a public facing job pre-COVID is probably hosed

this has always been the case pal

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

McNugget Buddy posted:

So anyone who was in a public facing job pre-COVID is probably hosed

What about people who had kids before COVID :ohdear:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!

Lady Militant posted:

if supply chains break down ehough that i can't get my meds anymore im going to an embassy and asking for refugee status

I have some bad news about adderall availability and prescription rates for adults in the rest of the world

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

mod sassinator posted:

WOW, a taiwan BSL3 lab apparently had a leak and covid-19 got out into the public from it. no this wasn't at the start of the pandemic or conspiracy theory--it's a recent fuckup in a place you never want to have fuckups

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1468959318397448194

It’s starting to look like loving around with gain of function in BSL3 labs is a bad idea.

Platystemon posted:

https://twitter.com/PaulBieniasz/status/1466782477863772161

quote:

To investigate the evolution of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in the immune population, we coincupi bated the authentic virus with a highly neutralizing plasma from a COVID-19 convalescent patient.

quote:

Only three mutations were sufficient to generate this escape variant. The new virus was resistant to 70% of the neutralizing antibodies tested and had a decreased susceptibility to all convalescent sera.

Folks, these are actual mad scientists.

Ban them from so much as setting foot in a middle school science lab and send them to the loving Hague.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!

Why Am I So Tired posted:

Absolutely. Until recently I'd only come across a few of her tweets and had no idea what a massive news source she was for people / the sheer level of toxic positivity and denial they were being fed. She's a public health menace. Whoever called her Baghdad Bob yesterday is spot on.

Never forget
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1392896775942443013?s=21

lmao “ENFJ / Senior Scientist”

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

what the gently caress

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

Google Butt posted:

triple mRNAd + p100 elastomeric efficacy check

affirmative. just waiting on the aposematic skull piece adornment

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.




I love Electric Wizard.

navigation
Sep 30, 2009

Kylaer posted:

Ehhhhh. This thread has been clamoring about this for ages, yet the ability of healthcare systems to asymptotically approach collapse without ever going over the edge keeps defying your predictions. Maybe omicron will finally be the one to go the distance, but maybe they'll just continue skating eternally along a razorblade without ever falling off.

sitting here thinkin' about omicron and the titers of all those HCWs that were vaccinated early, who might've boosted early or maybe didn't get a booster at all. seems bad.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Kylaer posted:

Ehhhhh. This thread has been clamoring about this for ages, yet the ability of healthcare systems to asymptotically approach collapse without ever going over the edge keeps defying your predictions. Maybe omicron will finally be the one to go the distance, but maybe they'll just continue skating eternally along a razorblade without ever falling off.

Turns out its pretty easy to just worsen the quality of care and let people die in ICUs in one week instead of two

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Gio posted:

no really i am

ask me a question only covid would know

which lab did you escape from?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

suddenly remembering the rash of "Russian dash cam video catches person trying to get hit by a car so they can sue the driver" videos from a few years ago (as if Russia has the same litigious legal environment as America).

that was an op then yeah?

The irony here is that the idea that America has a litigious legal environment is itself an op.

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit


Lol owned

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Platystemon posted:

The irony here is that the idea that America has a litigious legal environment is itself an op.

Can agree at least that Disney character road rage was the best dash cam video?

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


https://twitter.com/GuardianAus/status/1468981905655799811

A wet summer is driving everyone indoors
Omi is here
Most restrictions end next Wednesday
Cases have doubled in 3 days

I'm sure it's fine
:rubby:

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
finally, australia will experience the plaguelands

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Judakel posted:

finally, australia will experience the plaguelands

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Judakel posted:

finally, australia will experience the plaguelands

they'll be praying to Papa Nurgle soon enough

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


Judakel posted:

finally, australia will experience the plaguelands

only mildly though

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry
The Plaguelands are more of a feeling than an actual location

How depressing that China will not get to vibe along with the rest of the world

President Xi my people yearn for openerup

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

which lab did you escape from?

im a virus, i honestly couldnt tell you. it was a scientific lab, thats all i could tell you.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

mastershakeman posted:

Turns out its pretty easy to just worsen the quality of care and let people die in ICUs in one week instead of two

Always has been.

But that's not collapse. Or, if it is, then collapse is way more boring, less flashy, and less impactful than everyone implies when they talk about healthcare collapsing. You could reasonably make the argument that Florida's healthcare system collapsed while people were sprawled on the floor of a public library trying to get MABs, but even then, hospitals were still functioning. Care was worse, death was more frequent, patient satisfaction ratings were probably pretty poor, but as collapses go it was very low-energy.

Morbus
May 18, 2004

mod sassinator posted:

WOW, a taiwan BSL3 lab apparently had a leak and covid-19 got out into the public from it. no this wasn't at the start of the pandemic or conspiracy theory--it's a recent fuckup in a place you never want to have fuckups

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1468959318397448194

lol at a guy working in a BSL3 lab who decides to wait through a week of symptoms before getting tested

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Everything else there also does not really cohere with reports of how people behaved in previous plagues and pandemics. We've always been this shortsighted.

Yeah, it's not new behavior, although it's definitely higher impact in the modern world.

The worst-case scenario isn't going to a market with a few hundred people and then spending a few days traveling home. Now it's hanging out in a convention sucking and loving with thousands of people, walking through a crowded airport a day later, and then flying thousands of miles home. Our lovely, short-sighted behavior has drastically worse consequences now.

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

Morbus posted:

lol at a guy working in a BSL3 lab who decides to wait through a week of symptoms before getting tested

normalcy bias is a hell of a drug

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007
thinking ill just skip my booster and just catch that drat thing already

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Gio posted:

no really i am

ask me a question only covid would know

mild, hot, or fire sauce

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

mod sassinator posted:

there's nothing interesting about omicron in this week's twiv beside vincent being mad at terminology

LOL

Thank you for your service.

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no lube so what
Apr 11, 2021

Kylaer posted:

Always has been.

But that's not collapse. Or, if it is, then collapse is way more boring, less flashy, and less impactful than everyone implies when they talk about healthcare collapsing. You could reasonably make the argument that Florida's healthcare system collapsed while people were sprawled on the floor of a public library trying to get MABs, but even then, hospitals were still functioning. Care was worse, death was more frequent, patient satisfaction ratings were probably pretty poor, but as collapses go it was very low-energy.

everyone dies, so what. institution is still there

sure buddy. post your fridge

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