petit choux posted:

The problem turns out that primates don't make very good hosts for intelligence.

Hubbert posted:

actionjackson posted:

you can definitely find clothing stores that are REALLY nice, and have very high quality stuff

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HONOLULU (KITV4) -- As the Navy pushes back on a state order to remove the millions of gallons of fuel at its underground facility at Red Hill, more Oahu residents are worried contaminated water might be running through their pipes.

"There's a handful of us we're going 100% bottle water for everything," said Pearl City Peninsula resident Dee Momilani.

According to the Navy, the areas affected by the tainted water include the Red Hill Naval Reservation, Aliamanu Military Reservation and military housing around the airport.

But residents outside the affected areas and as far as the Pearl City Peninsula, are now complaining about foul water.

"They're now starting to get headaches and they're drinking off of the pipe water. They're finding oil sheen in their water, some type of a film residue on top of their water. They're seeing residue grease," she added. "They're starting to smell odor -- like a strong chemical odor coming from their faucet."

Ernest Lau, chief engineer at the Board of Water Supply, said it is critical the Navy get the fuel out of the Red Hill underground storage tanks that sit a hundred feet above Oahu's main aquifer.

"I cannot stress the importance of time because the longer things take to remove fuel out of the Navy's Red Hill fuel tanks and pipelines, the risk remains to an aquifer that it might be further contaminated, possibly even contaminated badly by a catastrophic leak," he said.

Lau said he's disappointed the Navy isn't taking the situation as serious as the rest of the community.

The navy reiterated today it will cease operations at the Red Hill underground storage tanks, at least until the investigation into the cause of the water contamination is complete.

Stereotype posted:

I'm fully expecting that the United States Navy just caused a Chernobyl severity fuel spill on Oahu

https://www.kitv.com/news/local/fear-over-contaminated-water-grows-across-oahu/article_e00a6bfc-58c0-11ec-b36c-af416a07b365.html

It seems increasingly likely that they dumped hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel directly into the aquifer that supplies water for the million people in Honolulu, irreparably poisoning it for decades. How funny is it going to be when you can't go to Waikiki anymore because the water for the entire island is poisoned.

Also their tanks have been a huge controversy for over a decade. I've been on several committees that have told them they need to fix their tanks before this happened and the Navy was just like "lol no they're safe and leak proof"

Mr. Lobe posted:

What can even be done about this kind of water poisoning?

Mr. Lobe posted:

What can even be done about this kind of water poisoning?

Mr. Lobe posted:

What can even be done about this kind of water poisoning?

Mr. Lobe posted:

What can even be done about this kind of water poisoning?

Tabletops posted:

there are lots of options, without federal orders to clean it up like the hanfir site I doubt whatever they do will be anywhere near enough.

proper environmental remediation is really, really expensive. and not fast. any real solution would need to be innovative and have an infinite budget.

Hubbert posted:

Saudi Aramco IPO: World's most profitable company to go public (3 November 2019)

Aramco Warns World’s Spare Oil Supplies Are Falling Rapidly (October 25, 2021)

Halliburton says the world is entering a period of oil scarcity (December 6, 2021)

gay_crimes posted:

obama will come out of retirement, fly to Honolulu and drink some “tap” water smugly to prove its safety

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

oh god this is gonna somehow end up involving elon musk somehow wont it

petit choux posted:

hosts for intelligence.

Mr. Lobe posted:

What can even be done about this kind of water poisoning?

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The concept of organism-encrusted plastic may sound like the story of ocean species triumphing in spite of human folly. But that’s not quite the case, explains Juan José Alava, PhD, an expert in marine ecotoxicology and conservation at the University of British Columbia.

In addition to transporting non-native species to delicate habitats where they may become invasive and destructive, neopelagic communities are “basically an ecological trap” says Alava. That’s because the sheer density of plastic in the ocean (researchers expect 600m metric tons of garbage will collect in the ocean by 2040) leads to the creation of permanent floating structures, covered in small species that attract creatures higher up the food chain, such as fish, turtles and mammals. When these creatures enter garbage gyres seeking shelter and food, they run a high risk of eating and/or becoming caught in plastic and dying. “For example, often the calves of whales, they are very curious – but that curiosity could lead them to get entangled and die,” says Alava.

While scientists have found some types of bacteria are able to break down hydrocarbons in plastic, thereby cleaning up garbage, it’s unlikely that the types of filter-feeding invertebrates thriving in neopelagic communities will have any such effect.

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Lawns, gardens and fields all across the US being slathered in pfas - the entire world really. Run off getting into lakes, streams and aquifers. Man and beast are draped in it. No escape.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/28/home-fertilizer-toxic-pfas-forever-chemicals-sewage-sludge

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/06/its-literally-raining-pfas-around-the-great-lakes-say-researchers.html

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/...f4f6dd899b.html

A Terrible Person posted:

I'm morbidly curious as to how the first world countries are going to handle food shortages and/or outright famine in the information age.

A Terrible Person posted:

I'm morbidly curious as to how the first world countries are going to handle food shortages and/or outright famine in the information age.

Tens hundreds of thousands running out of food while their internet connections are still paid for, getting called pussies by fascists that haven't been hit yet but also not getting a hell of a lot of sympathy from people who have survived food insecurity in the past. At least in the beginning.

I know a lot of us have been there, going a week or more on nothing except maybe a ramen packet, can of corn, or single-serving bag of ham slices maybe once every few days due to inexperience, bad planning, or outright lack of options.

I don't know. I'm just wondering what happens when a bunch of otherwise comfortable people are confronted with the fact that being "hungry" isn't just skipping breakfast or neglecting to grab a late night snack; when they're confronted by the fact that a single, unseasoned hard-boiled egg is a feast for kings if you don't know when you'll eat again. Especially when they can still tweet or post on Facebook or whatever about it.

Again, just morbid curiosity.

Sereri posted:

I have to admit, non-stick deer were not on my list.

A Terrible Person posted:

Tens hundreds of thousands running out of food while their internet connections are still paid for

Xaris posted:

it's fine. if we get hungry we're going to the woods to hunt+gather potato OP

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Turn your OS language to Hindu or Arabic, go on Facebook, and find out.

A Terrible Person posted:

First I imagined cities marketing skinned rats and/or carpet fungus as "urban potatoes."

Then I imagined city-dwellers descending upon the surrounding suburbs like locusts and rediscovering what roots, berries, and greenery are safe for consumption by trial and error.

Thank goodness I am in a semi rural area and have at least some room to forage for what few local edibles I can identify. Probably not a bad time to start ordering visual guides for edible plants/fungi though. And proper cooking methods if possible.

And stocking up on beans and seeds, naturally.

Point taken. Apologies.

A Terrible Person posted:

Thank goodness I am in a semi rural area and have at least some room to forage for what few local edibles I can identify. Probably not a bad time to start ordering visual guides for edible plants/fungi though. And proper cooking methods if possible.

A Terrible Person posted:

I'm morbidly curious as to how the first world countries are going to handle food shortages and/or outright famine in the information age.

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supermarket? more like sub-par-market

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umm where’s all the food lmao? like why even bother to open if u rnt goin to stock basic poo poo. n ur staff had a real bad attitude when i asked them to check the back, its not my fault u cnt run a store bithc

Xaris posted:

Umless you live in like maybe some astonishingly natural fertile area that hasn't been ravaged (maybe adirondacks), there is actually astonishingly little you can forage. at least in america. if you want to do a fun cspam challenge for your own education and others bemusement, spend a week eating only what you gather. and post it.

it's short enough you won't die of hunger but long enough it may be very funny to dispel others of silly notions of gathering subsistence. and a good learning exercise.

A Terrible Person posted:

Especially when they can still tweet or post on Facebook or whatever about it.

Again, just morbid curiosity.

Zodium posted:

is this idealism's final form

mcbexx posted:

Don't forget that in the US, most of them will have access to firearms as well. They will run out of food before they run out of bullets.

T-Paine posted:

https://twitter.com/LeftistWonk/status/1468806429855424514

petit choux posted:

In hindsight we're all going to look at all our spacecraft we squandered so much resources on as the single biggest act of hubris of our species' entire history. If there had wound up being aliens to enslave and rape we would have been just fine but you win some, you lose some.