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All developers, designers, artists, authors, filmmakers, and people on planet earth should unironically ignore every social media whine about any subject or aspect of anything People are going to complain about everything and the internet amplifies every garbagebaby's rant over the vast majority of people who just like a thing and go on with their lives
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Another option is to just do the loving tutorial without whining and moaning about it
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Dec 10, 2021 16:59
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deep dish peat moss posted:A videogame having a tutorial is like a jigsaw puzzle coming with a cheat sheet that shows you what piece goes where. Figure it the gently caress out, that part is fun.  the picture on the box is the cheat sheet
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Dec 10, 2021 16:59
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Mescal posted:if tons of people say they don't understand how to play the game, THERE IS something wrong wih the game. same as if a ton of people don't understand how to use your website or your grocery self-checkout. doesn't matter if they 'didn't do it right.' Where does this fit in to the tutorial argument?
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Dec 10, 2021 17:03
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Trillhouse posted:i felt like half of RDR2 was tutorial missions. Yeah well the game really only begins after the story ends. The real game is doing chores in your farm.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:04
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Where does this fit in to the tutorial argument? if people skip your tutorial it means your tutorial is bad
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Dec 10, 2021 17:06
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Mescal posted:if people skip your tutorial it means your tutorial is bad Mods please re-title this thread to Tails because we're being trolled here!
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Dec 10, 2021 17:08
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Mescal posted:if people skip your tutorial it means your tutorial is bad Lmao
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Dec 10, 2021 17:09
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Reminder that "the industry" still cares about Metacritic. As if there needed to be any more ways that the game industry is toxic.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:09
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lobsterminator posted:Yeah well the game really only begins after the story ends. The real game is doing chores in your farm. every open world game should be like morrowind. right at the start of the main quest, an absolutely shredded, shirtless old man living alone in his efficiency apartment tells you to go out and get some experience and then come back when you're ready.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:09
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 "no rush man, just go out there and have fun!"
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Dec 10, 2021 17:11
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Trillhouse posted:every open world game should be like morrowind. I'll zoom with you and tell you to level up first if you want.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:15
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I agree that the halo story so far is really a lot like the others in that is mainly incredibly stupid. The gameplay isn't that great either but one way where it's not baby's first video game is that it's really loving hard, especially on controller and above normal diff. I died several times on the very first mission lol At least it's nice of Microsoft to not include DRM
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Dec 10, 2021 17:19
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Mescal posted:if people skip your tutorial it means your tutorial is bad This poster is exhibit A on why developers should ignore gamers.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:30
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Press LEFT to move to the left Try this now. Good! Press RIGHT to move to the right Try this now. Press RIGHT to move to the right Excellent!
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Dec 10, 2021 17:39
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I don't care about tutorials if they aren't too invasive, but I don't like it when a game treats me like I have never played a video game before.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:39
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Playing Dark Souls does NOT make you sterile
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Dec 10, 2021 17:50
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aceface posted:Playing Dark Souls does NOT make you sterile however you will still be unable to procreate
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Dec 10, 2021 17:52
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I do like the one tutorial prompt that asks you to look up - and depending on your preference for y-inverted the game will recognize and switch to the appropriate setting. Other than that - tutorials should always be optional and not mandatory. poo poo didn’t the final fantasy games all have tutorial buildings available after the ‘beginning’ of the game - like in the first town? So you can learn after you’ve been futzing with the game.
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Dec 10, 2021 18:24
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Every videogame is someone's first gears 5 is rated m and features chainsaw disembowelments - probably shouldn't be played by children. how many people make it to age 17 (or get old enough to be left home alone while parents go out and shoot up heroin) without playing a game before? Bruegels Fuckbooks fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 20:42
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mortal shell has a really important mechanic called “harden” that i’ll never stop giggling about because i’m an idiot child the game knows, though, the first guy you fight is literally named Hadren, it is loving with you “getting hit while hardened will restore your health” lmfao
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Dec 10, 2021 20:57
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I'm sorry but I forget how to do basic movement every time that I start a new game and what if pressing random keys to just figure it out actually kills me in real life???
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Dec 10, 2021 21:17
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Mescal posted:if people skip your tutorial it means your tutorial is bad All tutorials are bad
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Dec 10, 2021 21:22
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not only should they eliminate tutorials, but they should also not allow you to see controller schemes/kbm keybinds either. just start mashing those buttons and figure it out
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Dec 10, 2021 21:27
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Every videogame is someone's first Yeah but most most game mechanics are easy to figure out. Cracker King posted:I do like the one tutorial prompt that asks you to look up - and depending on your preference for y-inverted the game will recognize and switch to the appropriate setting. Wrong, this is bad because it encourages people to have really stupid opinions on what is better. While I prefer my two finger scroll to make sense (no up should be up Apple you stupid fucks), giving me the options will just annoy me when something decides to not give me that option while not being the way I'm used to.
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Dec 10, 2021 21:33
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Some games actually 100% need a tutorial lol, come on. Sure FPS #500 or racing game # 200 might not, but if there is any originality in your systems or control scheme at all it's good to have it explained If you don't have to explain it then it's probably too basic
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Dec 10, 2021 21:41
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People who rebind controls are babies afraid to leave their comfort zone. The developers have a vision and you tampering with that vision by rebinding is like firebombing the Louvre
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Dec 10, 2021 21:45
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Icochet posted:People who rebind controls are babies afraid to leave their comfort zone. The developers have a vision and you tampering with that vision by rebinding is like firebombing the Louvre What if you use a randomiser to rebind the keys to completely random ones so you have to learn an entirely foreign vision of interaction than any slight resemblance to a standard the game would have originally? HUH SMART GUY? WHAT NOW?
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Here's a video of someone playing the Gears of War 5 unskippable, forced tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8ufPfS400 The first two minutes are an unskippable cutscene telling you that you need to do a tutorial even though you know how to fight 2:00 - 3:15 teaches you how to use the left thumbstick to move and the right thumbstick to look and makes you demonstrate 3:15 - 5:20 teaches you how to enter cover and makes you demonstrate that you know how to press the cover button to enter cover 10 separate times 5:20 - 6:25 teaches you how to press the sprint button and makes you demonstrate by sprinting down a hallway and back. 6:25 - 8:40 teaches you how to press the shoot button and the reload button and makes you demonstrate by shooting a few targets, then again by running around and shooting 5 targets until they die. 8:40 - 10:30 teaches you how to press the button to throw a grenade and makes you demonstrate by killing 4 passive enemies with grenades 10:30 - 11:40 goes back to the shoot button and makes you demonstrate it by shooting 5 more targets 11:40 - 12:50 teaches you how to press the revive button to revive a downed ally. Then it makes you down your own ally and revive them to demonstrate. Then it makes that ally down you and revive you to demonstrate what being revived is like (you just sit there doing nothing). 12:50 - 15:15 teaches you how to press the melee button, then makes you demonstrate shooting and grenades again by killing 5 more targets 15:15 - 17:15 makes you demonstrate using the melee button on enemies several times 17:15 - 19:00 makes you demonstrate the shoot button again by killing 5 more targets. You're finally done with the tutorial  Now you know how to press the shoot, reload, grenade, melee, and interact buttons on your controller. They will also be shown to you as color coded on-screen button prompts every time they are usable in case you forget any of this, we know it's a lot to take in.Oh also the protagonist has voice lines about how "this is actually pretty fun!" to remind the player how much fun they are having. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 21:48
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Imagine being someone who is a fan of the Gears of War franchise and you run out to the store and buy a brand new copy of the 5th edition of the game and you rush home all excited to play it, and when you start it up... that's your first 20 minutes. lol
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Dec 10, 2021 21:53
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syntaxfunction posted:What if you use a randomiser to rebind the keys to completely random ones so you have to learn an entirely foreign vision of interaction than any slight resemblance to a standard the game would have originally? Hmm maybe if you let your mortal enemy rebind the keys that could be ok maybe. Malevolence instead of randomness
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Dec 10, 2021 21:54
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Icochet posted:People who rebind controls are babies afraid to leave their comfort zone. The developers have a vision and you tampering with that vision by rebinding is like firebombing the Louvre Lmao if you wouldn't firebomb the Louvre any day of the week smhd.
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Dec 10, 2021 21:55
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Icochet posted:Hmm maybe if you let your mortal enemy rebind the keys that could be ok maybe. Malevolence instead of randomness What if I don't have any enemies? What if I'm so beloved that there is not a single person in this world who could genuinely dislike me? Must I relegate myself to the blandness of default keybinds? Why would you do this to me? Also if GoW5 has a terrible tutorial the clear solution is like better franchises.
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Dec 10, 2021 21:56
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syntaxfunction posted:What if you use a randomiser to rebind the keys to completely random ones so you have to learn an entirely foreign vision of interaction than any slight resemblance to a standard the game would have originally? Deathloop doesn't even use the word "lives" for fucks sake so when they explained reprises to me I was like hmmmmm hmmmm ohhh lives you're talking about lives. Maybe people wouldn't "need" a tutorial if games just used established terminology. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 22:01
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Duck and Cover posted:Deathloop didn't even use the word "lives" for fucks sake so when they explained reprises to me I was like hmmmmm hmmmm ohhh lives you're talking about lives. Maybe people wouldn't "need" a tutorial if you just used established terminology. I hate when video games do this and then feature a bunch of pre-release hype material talking about their "unique reprisal feature which allows players to get revenge on tough enemies in an all new, never before seen way!"
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Dec 10, 2021 22:08
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Duck and Cover posted:Deathloop doesn't even use the word "lives" for fucks sake so when they explained reprises to me I was like hmmmmm hmmmm ohhh lives you're talking about lives. Maybe people wouldn't "need" a tutorial if games just used established terminology. I'm sorry, "lives?" What are those? Like living another person's life, isn't that what most video games are about? Or wait, do you mean the extra mans you get when you die?
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Dec 10, 2021 22:27
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The tutorial should start by asking you to walk over and pick something up without displaying any buttons at first, and if you use w and e without prompting, it skips the rest of the basic movement tutorial
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Dec 10, 2021 22:30
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Remove all tutorials. Replace with printed game manuals.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:34
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Just imagining if anything else we do for fun had a forced tutorial before you could participate USE LEG to walk to BALL RETURN EXTEND HAND to equip BOWLING BALL "Alright Duke, looks like you have a ball. Now get ready, we're gonna take out those fuckin' pins. WALK FORWARD to the highlighted FOUL LINE"
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The randomizer should randomly rebind keys. Those who like roguelikes where there’s no item descriptions would LOVE that I bet.
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