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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
| Total: | 13 votes | ||
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1465404664883593221
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Dec 10, 2021 18:54
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Tuna-Fish posted:F-35 on silti tämän tarjouskilpailun paras hävittäjä. Paras tutka, parhaat muut sensorit, kantaa eniten/yhtä paljon ohjuksia kuin muut.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:00
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Herman Merman posted:All the other fighters under consideration can land on a ~800 m runway, the hosed up F-35 airframe requires 2400 m I'd ask how the gently caress was it even in the running if that's true, but sadly I know the answer.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:19
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Herman Merman posted:Lol, F-35 has 4 internal and 6 external hardpoints. Eurofighter has 8+5 (external), Gripen has 8. However, if F-35 uses any of its external hardpoints its radar signature blows up. Even the small Gripen can carry twice the amount of weapons of F-35 in stealth mode. Also, F-35 has sufficient internal fuel that it does not need to carry external fuel for operations in Finland, while the Typhoon, Rafale or Gripen would typically have to, and not all hardpoints are equal -- Typhoon might have 13 hardpoints, but only 8 of them can carry missiles. Comparing apples to apples: - F-35 can carry 12 missiles, any mix of Sidewinder or AMRAAM - Gripen can carry 4 radar-guided + 2 ir guided - Rafale can carry up to 4 Meteor + 6 Mica - Typhoon can carry 6 radar guided + 2 ir guided (or 4+6, they have an adapter that can fit 2 light missiles that they can carry in the inner wing missile hardpoint.) - Super Hornet can actually carry up to 12 amraam + 2 sidewinder So actually I was wrong, F-18E has more capacity for missiles than F-35. All the others don't. Tuna-Fish fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 19:25
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i am so glad i know nothing about military hardware
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Dec 10, 2021 19:34
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The actual qualifications were: a) how much kickbacks can I personally get and b) how much kickbacks can my friends get
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Dec 10, 2021 19:34
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Actually it's how many flight hours I have with F35 in Ace Combat 7 compared to other planes.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:38
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matti posted:i am so glad i know nothing about military hardware
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Dec 10, 2021 19:48
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Ketä kiinnostaa kuinka monta ohjusta voi tunkea koneeseen jolla ei kuitenkaan ikinä tapella?
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Dec 10, 2021 20:42
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Älä ny, kyä ne ryssät siältä viälä tulloo
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Dec 10, 2021 20:47
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bloom posted:Ketä kiinnostaa kuinka monta ohjusta voi tunkea koneeseen jolla ei kuitenkaan ikinä tapella? Then what is the point of defence forces anyway?
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Dec 10, 2021 22:10
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Tuna-Fish posted:Either stealth does matter, in which case F-35 can carry 6 and none of the planes it's being compared to can carry anything, or it doesn't matter, and it can carry 12.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:19
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bloom posted:Ketä kiinnostaa kuinka monta ohjusta voi tunkea koneeseen jolla ei kuitenkaan ikinä tapella? I'm not very enthusiastic about the military, but if we didn't have one at all I could see little green men appearing one day. If there is need for a military to exist, it needs to be effective to serve its purpose, and on the micro level some detail like how many missiles a plane can carry does matter.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:21
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quote:Puolet ylläpitokuluista tulevat palveluna Lockheed Martinilta ja toinen puolisko on Suomen itse manageroimia toimintoja. So, the cost to the FDF has been massively undervalued in the offer and once the maintenance costs get out of hand Lockheed will just point at the Finnish military being unable to keep costs in check and shrug. I mean, I think we all knew it was going to happen but it's fun to see it implied this early on.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:28
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I'm kind of finding it hard to give a poo poo tbh. Like, we were gonna replace the Hornets eventually anyway and frankly I just don't see what's it ultimately matter if we buy into one lovely choice among many over another. There weren't really any good choices in this race and the US is apparently interested enough in Finland's air capability to offer cut-rate F-35s so whatever. If this meant we were losing out some magical, just-for-you special sweetheart deal where they produce 64 F-22s just for us at well below F-35 rates then I might find it in me to be mildly upset but as it stands, it's just another loving FDF purchase that had to happen eventually. I mean, sure, there's some long-term cost concerns but I don't see how going with any of the other choices woulda really negated those concerns. Saab has its own troubles, the Hornet GOTY edition is old and not exactly in popular use. Apparently the other two were ruled out for not meeting the nebulous FDF requirements. e: Plus there's the fact that literally everyone knew how this was gonna go. Like, Trump just straight up announced it by accident over a year ago and Finnish media just pretended he was "confused" like yeah right. Ruflux fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 22:36
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Agreed, I just like to laugh at F-35
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Dec 10, 2021 22:42
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The (probable) overall cost difference is still something that would've been better spent on pretty much anything other than perhaps 5% "better", ultimately ineffective larp toys for the military. Aside from that, yeah, this is how it was supposed to go, and I feel the bigger critique should probably be aimed at whether the purchase was necessary at this point at all. It'll be funny to see how this'll spill over to politics, though. There's probably a fraction of vas/sdp/greens that aren't too happy, while parts of other parties will start beating the NATO drum even louder.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:51
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Almost 5 bil would have bought a lot of hydroelectric, wind, and solar power plants.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:54
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The political aspects are almost certainly gonna be more important than the actual usefulness of the planes. Relations with NATO, the US, etc. I wanted a Saabi and defense union between Sweden and Finland and have read all the stuff about how the new plane is unreliable and hugely expensive. I don't know how true any of that is really, or if it matters. Cat girl Sanna going clubbing while drinking Corona has made international news. It's clearly a genius play to gain young voters for SDP and boost the reputation of Finland as the happiest country. 
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Dec 11, 2021 07:57
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Catpain Slack posted:Almost 5 bil would have bought a lot of hydroelectric, wind, and solar power plants. Or one Olkiluoto 3.
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Dec 11, 2021 08:12
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Ihmemies posted:Or one Olkiluoto 3. It's an enormous project management fuckup, but for what it does it's still not that bad. Probably like these fighters. There are problems but if you squint it looks kind of alright and it'll probably be mostly fine. (Remind me in 2030 if this post aged badly.) Elukka fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Dec 11, 2021 |
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Dec 11, 2021 08:25
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Nuclear has only gotten more appealing over the course of the gently caress up. Even greens are pro nuclear when not busy drinking champagne and going to sekasauna with minors. (it's a story in seiska)
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Dec 11, 2021 08:34
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Elukka posted:To be fair one Olkiluoto 3 is like over 10% of the entire country's electricity needs and matches a lot of renewables. In 10 years we'll be posting in Russian, comrade.
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Dec 11, 2021 17:01
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Hävittäjälentäjät on leuhkaa porukkaa mutta kun eka f-35 seisoo kiitoradalla niin -Sataa. Mee sä -Eiku mee sä -En mä mee -Mitä jos ei mennä mutta sanotaan että mentiin? -Semper fi
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Dec 11, 2021 21:03
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Edelleen se paras osa tätä kauppaa on, että yksikään suomalainen ei ole koelentänyt F-35:tä muualla kuin simulaattorissa. Ostaisitko käytetyn Satsuman pelkän My Summer Car -testiajon perusteella?
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Dec 12, 2021 14:01
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Nenonen posted:Edelleen se paras osa tätä kauppaa on, että yksikään suomalainen ei ole koelentänyt F-35:tä muualla kuin simulaattorissa. Ostaisitko käytetyn Satsuman pelkän My Summer Car -testiajon perusteella? vittu Datsun 100A on nytten harvinainen keräilyauto sen pelin takia
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Dec 12, 2021 16:06
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I'll bet Putin is now howling with laughter in Kremlin. : "Those idiots! They bought loving F-35! They were offered EUROFIGHTER on a silver platter and they loving said no!"
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Dec 12, 2021 20:31
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 Nii on ku peiliin kattosis.
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Dec 12, 2021 20:49
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Tuli kiire vessaan ja kun tuntui siltä että tulee pitkä istunto, nappasin syöksyn aikana mukaan lähimmän ohuentapaisen kirjan. Saatana "Vänrikki Stoolin tarinat." No tulipahan sitäkin sitten luettua. (Pääsin "Sotavanhukseen" asti.)
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Dec 14, 2021 22:05
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täh, eiks sul oo vessassa pinoa aku ankkoja valmiina?
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Dec 14, 2021 22:21
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HerraS posted:täh, eiks sul oo vessassa pinoa aku ankkoja valmiina? En o kotona.
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Dec 14, 2021 22:27
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Heh heh, stool 💩
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Dec 14, 2021 23:43
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3D Megadoodoo posted:En o kotona. vittuako sä vieraiden ihmisten kodeissa paskannat
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Dec 14, 2021 23:56
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HerraS posted:vittuako sä vieraiden ihmisten kodeissa paskannat Kakkaa, lähinnä.
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Dec 15, 2021 00:02
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Saatana "Vänrikki Stoolin tarinat." No tulipahan sitäkin sitten luettua.
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Dec 15, 2021 00:57
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Viileä Stooli veli.
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Dec 15, 2021 01:01
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Herman Merman posted:Can you already feel patriotism churning in your guts? Yeah call me Dude of the Cloud. CLOUD OF FART LMAO
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Dec 15, 2021 01:06
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Tuli kiire vessaan ja kun tuntui siltä että tulee pitkä istunto, nappasin syöksyn aikana mukaan lähimmän ohuentapaisen kirjan. Onneksi olkoot, olet sivistyneempi kuin valtaosa persuista.
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Dec 15, 2021 08:27
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:Onneksi olkoot, olet sivistyneempi kuin valtaosa persuista. Joo osaan lukea.
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Dec 15, 2021 08:44
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Perkele en saanu rokotusta. Pitää tiistaina mennä 8:15 jonottamaan (tai odottaa tammikuulle) johonkin hevon saatanaan. Voisivat tietty kun koneella varataan aika niin siinä vaiheessa kysyä tai vihjaista lääkkeistä jotka vaikuttavat asiaan. Kaikista.
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Dec 16, 2021 13:01
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