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ImpAtom posted:AWS literally went down this week. Yeah, so if I'm putting my chips on a service, I'll choose AWS / GCP over any self hosted solution. Yep - The Cloud is not bulletproof, but it's way closer on average than anything else.
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i've never got a 2002 error either, today i'm sitting in a 6,000 person queue. obviously the problem is somewhere between 'entirely square's fault' and 'entirely the player's fault' and 'entirely the ISP's fault'.
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Dec 12, 2021 23:40
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I'm starting to see why Yoshi-P looked so defeated during the live letter he had to announce the release delay
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Dec 12, 2021 23:41
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Oof. Imagine trying to play this during Thanksgiving week
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Dec 12, 2021 23:42
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:There is a ton of nuance and detail here, as well as a massive bucket of non-trivial problems to solve, but the solution to this is that your out-of-game infra shouldn't be self hosted. You push those pieces to AWS et al. It is bonus complex in that such a transition will take years and if such a change were to happen in time for 7.0, you'd probably have to start talking 6 months ago. Aws is way more expensive than self hosting. It makes sense for a lot of businesses where the server costs are small next to your main business costs, because it lets you cut out a lot of constant-factor overhead, but in something like an MMO or a Pixar render farm where the server costs are a giant major part of your budget, switching to cloud-hosted is just gonna bankrupt you
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Dec 12, 2021 23:42
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Facts: 1) Square Enix could probably have done some things better that would have made the systems more resistant to this kind of load. 2) In all likelihood there was no way to make the system completely protected against loads twice as big as it was designed for. 3) Most of the big things they could have done could only have been done so long ago that only someone with Mikoto's future vision could have predicted the need to do them at all. 4) Nobody is telling you that you're wrong for feeling unhappy that you can't get in and experience the end of the Warrior of Light's epic sage after all these years. 5) People are telling you that you're wrong if you're calling the creators of the game incompetent because they can't get their game network ready to shrug off such a massive unexpected increase in traffic in the middle of unprecedented conditions where new hardware is just not available. And they're right to, and you should feel bad.
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Dec 12, 2021 23:43
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Xarbala posted:I'm starting to see why Yoshi-P looked so defeated during the live letter he had to announce the release delay I am not looking forwards to the start of the next live letter.
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Dec 12, 2021 23:43
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And in that fleeting moment, they cry for the answer to the question: why, given accounts, are they meant to queue, to lose their place in it after two hours?
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Dec 12, 2021 23:48
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cloud computing is a bunch of poo poo. aws is for the birds
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Dec 12, 2021 23:50
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Phenotype posted:Finished this on Friday, loved it to death, and am still trying to collect some of my thoughts about it. It was a fantastic end to the epic, but in the end I don't think it was quite as strong as Shadowbringers, which was a much more focused plot. I think you hit the nail on the head why I didn't like the ending, and left the expansion feeling unsatisfied, even though Elpis was basically my fanfiction come to life and some of the best material in the game. Thank you for it.
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Dec 12, 2021 23:58
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I have beaten Endwalker. It was fantastic. Couldn't have asked for a better conclusion. When the full background music for Ultima Theume comes in...man.
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Dec 13, 2021 00:02
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Saying all these problems were easily fixable is dumb, bit it's also clear that there are some poor design decisions within the client that are exacerbating issues. The main problem is this 15mim reconnect when the client is in the queue. I can think of several reasons why it might be a good idea to restart these connections periodically, but the fact that it's done with very little error handling is a problem. There absolutely needs to be some sort of automatic retry behaviour, it needs to not completely crash the client if it fails and it needs to be much better at saving your queue spot. It's exactly the sort of issue that could stay hidden until the servers get really really busy, but hopefully they're able to roll out a fix for it soonish.
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Dec 13, 2021 00:09
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Mainwaring posted:Saying all these problems were easily fixable is dumb, bit it's also clear that there are some poor design decisions within the client that are exacerbating issues. Oh yeah, no, there are absolutely problems with FFXIV's spaghetti backend too that make the issues worse.
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Dec 13, 2021 00:09
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Mainwaring posted:It's exactly the sort of issue that could stay hidden until the servers get really really busy, but hopefully they're able to roll out a fix for it soonish.
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homeless snail posted:Not disagreeing but this is the kind of problem that, by the time they roll out a fix there will no longer be queues. Maybe they'll have it locked down before 7.0. Its been a week now and player numbers are going down slowly enough that I expect it'll still be busy in a week's time. I would think that should be time to write, review and test a fix like this, but then again spaghetti code who knows.
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While we’re on the subject, can someone repost that amazing twitter thread that reveals how a significant part of XIV:s backend is literally run on a huge Excel sheet?
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Aws is way more expensive than self hosting. It makes sense for a lot of businesses where the server costs are small next to your main business costs, because it lets you cut out a lot of constant-factor overhead, but in something like an MMO or a Pixar render farm where the server costs are a giant major part of your budget, switching to cloud-hosted is just gonna bankrupt you The value of cloud providers is that it makes scaling *their* problem (within reason, anyway)... except FF14's requirements are actually very different from most people's, so I doubt any would be a good fit to hosting the worlds. And while login itself is easier to split into pieces, it has to actually interact with characters database and the actual game servers, so if they want to move just that out they'll need a way to securely communicate between the cloud provider and their own infrastructure which is no trivial task. Best I can see is some two-level queue proxy, but that's also not something you would want to hurry, and of course mistakes in load management tend to blow stuff up.
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Eimi posted:I think you hit the nail on the head why I didn't like the ending, and left the expansion feeling unsatisfied, even though Elpis was basically my fanfiction come to life and some of the best material in the game. Thank you for it. I don't think I was nearly as dissatisfied with it, but yeah, it helps to think of the true ending of the story as when we return from Elpis and defeat Hydaelyn. The game up til now has been the story of Zodiark and Hydaelyn, how the Ancients' civilization lived and then came apart, and how our people struggled with their remnants. The finale was getting to see their Garden of Eden for ourselves, seeing that our quest has been worthwhile, seeing that all along our faith was in someone worth having faith in, and getting to show her that our suffering makes us strong enough to continue on without her. As an ending to that particular story, I think the game succeeded entirely.
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I did get a version of "the Shadowbringers shot" for EW, suppose I'd better get it there: Though the lens flare is a bit extreme. Of course there's also this  Get hosed, Zenos. This scene was great as a lalafell.
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Dec 13, 2021 00:27
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Xarbala posted:And took a shitload of games with it, it even made the actual news. It also took down Canvas during finals week, so all of my students got a nice little 24 hour extension on their final papers! Furthermore, the screenshot: 
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Listen, I just want to be on the record saying that FFXIV is a really good game, and I would like to play it, and it sucks big ol' donkey balls that being an adult with a job and a kid basically precludes me from doing that at this time. Particularly because on of the reasons it's the world's biggest MMO is that it took the WoW crown of being the cool MMO you could realistically play as a Dad/Mom (Wo)Man Thank you. VanillaGorilla fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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Hey, queues suck, and I think it's legit to be upset about them. I'm not really certain there's much SE can do about it, but I'm also probably going to be annoyed if this is still going on when savage raids drop and part of my team can't make it because they're stuck in queue (due to being unable to be at the PC two or more hours in advance). Right now I'm pretty lucky in being able to adjust my schedule freely, but not everyone can and it's frustrating at any rate to have multi-hour queues in prime time for over a week now.
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Large Testicles posted:Login 1.5 hours ago, 2.5k queue "Ok, I can deal with this" Im baby sitting my queue so I dont lose out on the spot but Im getting crashes every 2-3 hours at best, sometimes 40 minutes in. Its impossible to play like this. Im about to nuke my entire windows to see if a fresh install will help. Ive probably spent thrice what I've played in the game in queue.
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I kind of wonder if Square should consider delaying the launch of Pandaemonium and other new content to let some players finish the new content and make space for other players to get through the MSQ for a while.
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The End
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Im baby sitting my queue so I dont lose out on the spot but Im getting crashes every 2-3 hours at best, sometimes 40 minutes in. Its impossible to play like this. Are you getting DX11 crashes? If you have a dual monitor setup, turning your second one off or ensuring that they're both at the same refresh rates can apparently help.
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AMD cards specifically have a crash bug with dx11 apps and multi monitor change to dx9 or disable other monitors
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Vermain posted:Are you getting DX11 crashes? If you have a dual monitor setup, turning your second one off or ensuring that they're both at the same refresh rates can apparently help. Sometimes I get dx11 errors, sometimes it says legacy sdk, often times it crashes without warning and I dont have anything on the logs. My latest foray had me lower the target power of the GPU and disconnecting my second monitor. Still crashed without warning Yesterday I had a weird LED crash that let me keep playing as long as I didnt press ok on the error pop up. I played for another hour or so before the DX11 claimed me.
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Ending/credits spoilers, so click at own risk, etc etc. Zenos: Are you tired of being nice? Don't you just want to go ape shitt WOL:  And the obligatory That Credits Moment. 
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:There is a ton of nuance and detail here, as well as a massive bucket of non-trivial problems to solve, but the solution to this is that your out-of-game infra shouldn't be self hosted. You push those pieces to AWS et al. It is bonus complex in that such a transition will take years and if such a change were to happen in time for 7.0, you'd probably have to start talking 6 months ago.
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Got a 2002, immediately restarted the client and lost my spot. I’m starting to think I really should just take a month off this game…
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Comrade Koba posted:While we’re on the subject, can someone repost that amazing twitter thread that reveals how a significant part of XIV:s backend is literally run on a huge Excel sheet? https://mobile.twitter.com/perchbird_/status/1323098438041559045
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:You push those pieces to AWS et al. lmao
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ImpAtom posted:AWS literally went down this week. Also, they've stated in at least one producer live letter that they've tried to explore cloud computing and it isn't functional for them.
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Ugh, tonight’s been unusually poo poo for me. I’ve already lost my place in the queue twice because a 2002 just so happened to come up while I was busy with something else outside for a few minutes 
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I feel so lucky that my current job has me working 2pm-midnight Tuesday-Sunday. I get mornings and Mondays off. Couldn’t ask for anything better with the state of queues. I feel bad for everyone getting screwed over by them. My wife works more traditional hours and has barely been able to play since launch due to the queues. It loving sucks. 
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There's no way I'm gonna get to play today, as well as one or two other days over the last week/upcoming week for sure. And while that upsets me, like gently caress I'm gonna claim that anyone on the FF14 team is incompetent for not having predicted, designed, and implemented a solution to a problem that could have taken months of work to finish for a problem that has almost entirely occurred within the last 4 months or less. loving nerds, I swear to god.
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I’m just glad that I got to finish the MSQ, so I don’t have to worry about getting casually spoiled and can feel fine with just doing other poo poo now until this gets resolved
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S.J. posted:There's no way I'm gonna get to play today, as well as one or two other days over the last week/upcoming week for sure. And while that upsets me, like gently caress I'm gonna claim that anyone on the FF14 team is incompetent for not having predicted, designed, and implemented a solution to a problem that could have taken months of work to finish for a problem that has almost entirely occurred within the last 4 months or less. loving nerds, I swear to god. I guarantee if they fixed the 2002 error in any satisfactory way there'd be way, way less complaining. e: I really don't see much complaining about waiting in queues here, just waiting in queues and getting d'conned to the back of the line after a few hours of waiting that is annoying people. Your post is pretty hostile. Barreft fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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Barreft posted:I guarantee if they fixed the 2002 error in any satisfactory way there'd be way, way less complaining. real poo poo?
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