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TheFluff posted:Oh wait hold on, it might not even be bribery or a scam but rather just budgetary stupidity. They set the number of aircraft and the total budget well beforehand (64 aircraft/10 billion euro), so this might very well be a case of having to spend all of the allocated funds or lose them. Saab even had room to include two AEW&C aircraft as part of the offer. I appreciate your diligence in being fair but at this point I’m prone to assume that literally anything around the F-35 that doesn’t involving it being canned is rooted in corruption.
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luminalflux posted:Let’s not pretend that the Swedish military industrial complex is above bribery, like when they tried to get South Africa to buy JAS Of course not, there's always bribery in military procurement, it's just how it works. All the secrecy makes it extremely fertile ground for corruption. South Africa shouldn't have bought a fighter jet at all - they can't afford to operate them. Their entire Gripen fleet is currently grounded because their maintenance contracts have ran out and they don't have the budget to renew them right now. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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I had a friend who was working somewhere barely adjacent to fighter jets in the Danish government, I think some agency of the ministry of science, and he was invited to fancy receptions by various jetmongers. The corruption is basically a full scale assault. They also took out a full page add in several newspapers, which seems dumb but probably isn't.
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I liked when one of the four extant F-35 simulators on loan to the Danish air force spontaneously caught fire and was totally destroyed. Now that's realism. I wonder how many nurses you could hire for 60 billion.
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BigglesSWE posted:I appreciate your diligence in being fair but at this point I’m prone to assume that literally anything around the F-35 that doesn’t involving it being canned is rooted in corruption. Why not blackmail or coercion?
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a lot of military procurement is also geostrategic positioning. for some absurd reason the nordic countries have started really doubling down on the US as their patron for the past couple of decades and this makes sense in that context. basically it's feudal obligations. why we insist on making this choice is very unclear, since the US is basically a prize fighter with holes starting to emerge in its brain from tissue degradation
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Støjberg guilty https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/13/inger-st-jberg-denmark-s-ex-immigration-minister-convicted-of-impeachment-over-asylum-poli Also good tweet https://twitter.com/DavidWedege/status/1470364864682115086 Woodenlung fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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And predictably, she's whining to all her Twitter etc. followers that she "did nothing wrong" and was "only trying to protect those poor girls", and that "Danish values lost on this day". Presumably her "Danish values" are something on the order of "I can do anything I want to do, gently caress you and gently caress Muslims especially".
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Reminder that Venstre let a convicted pedophile run for office again.
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That's just Danish politics innit, convicted or not, Jeppe Kofod still having his job is amazing to me. Somewhat on topic, this was actually a really interesting podcast I listened to a few days ago, on the 'random controls' on pedophiles and other sex criminals, that dont seem to work, if not straight up working again its intentions, but how it will probably never get changed as no one wants to touch the subject. https://podtail.com/en/podcast/forbrydelse-og-moral/episod-35-kasper-jorgensen-kriminolog-om-kontrolle/ Some weird ruling/laws. KozmoNaut posted:And predictably, she's whining to all her Twitter etc. followers that she "did nothing wrong" and was "only trying to protect those poor girls", and that "Danish values lost on this day". The Danish values poo poo always gets me. I always (apparently wrongly) assumed the Danish values were also about not breaking the law
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They're just so flabbergasted when once in a blue moon the law also applies to them. It's literally unbelieable to them that they can't just do whatever they want all the time. Her:  "It's against danish values, I just wanted to protect the girls" really demonstrates it perfectly. Like, I think it's against the nebulous 'danish values' when giant mustachioed jutlanders starts baton-smashing tiny teenagers for standing in the wrong place, but I sure as gently caress get prison time for pushing one of faschist pigs out of the way.e: vvv Hvaaa' fooorgåååår dar herrr???? Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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Revelation 2-13 posted:They're just so flabbergasted when once in a blue moon the law also applies to them. It's literally unbelieable to them that they can't just do whatever they want all the time. Her:
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Så sidder der så'n en højttaler på æ ryg å æ hui som si'er:Revelation 2-13 posted:e: vvv Hvaaa' fooorgåååår dar herrr???? Og det' så signal til æ hui om at den bar' ska' begynd' å bi'e. ...Ja man behøver ik' ligefrem at lære dem at slå, vel?
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Revelation 2-13 posted:e: vvv Hvaaa' fooorgåååår dar herrr???? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA1vBooFHy8
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KozmoNaut posted:And predictably, she's whining to all her Twitter etc. followers that she "did nothing wrong" and was "only trying to protect those poor girls", and that "Danish values lost on this day". Pretty good summary of Danish values imo. But 25/26 judges voted guilty, and that includes the politically chosen ones. Which means that even her own party could see that what she did was illegal. Also the 26th argued that what she did was right, so nevermind the law.
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Now I'm curious, what are the stereotypes about Jutlanders? It's the part of Denmark I've visited the most by far
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Basically all the US red state tropes, good and bad, with some extra miserly attitudes. They also seem to take pride in most of those which tends to elicit some grudging (or even resentful) respect jeebus bob fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8RnPpBirok We also made this.
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V. Illych L. posted:a lot of military procurement is also geostrategic positioning. for some absurd reason the nordic countries have started really doubling down on the US as their patron for the past couple of decades and this makes sense in that context. basically it's feudal obligations. why we insist on making this choice is very unclear, since the US is basically a prize fighter with holes starting to emerge in its brain from tissue degradation The F-35 is the NATO tax.
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ThaumPenguin posted:Now I'm curious, what are the stereotypes about Jutlanders? It's the part of Denmark I've visited the most by far Salt of the earth, not easily impressed, miserly, really don't like paying taxes, shrewd at trading good and services, more old-fashioned/behind the times (from a Copenhagen perspective), more grounded. Of course the specific region also matters for stereotypes. In very rough categories, east Jutlanders are industrious entrepreneurs, middle Jutlanders are coarse-hewn farmers, west Jutlanders are fishers and devout Christians, north Jutlanders are very matter-of-fact and proudly so, and south Jutlanders are half-Germans obsessed with cake. As with all stereotypes, they are gross generalisations. Conversely Jutlanders obviously have a number of stereotypes about Copenhageners*, and since I'm from the very best part of Denmark, I can laugh at all of them  *(Most of the stereotypes about Jutlanders apply just as much to people from Funen and from the west and south of Zealand, basically anywhere not Copenhagen+suburbs and parts of northern Zealand, really.) KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Everything south of the fjord is Copenhagen.
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KozmoNaut posted:Salt of the earth, not easily impressed, miserly, really don't like paying taxes, shrewd at trading good and services, more old-fashioned/behind the times (from a Copenhagen perspective), more grounded. KozmoNaut posted:Conversely Jutlanders obviously have a number of stereotypes about Copenhageners*, and since I'm from the very best part of Denmark, I can laugh at all of them
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It's classic urban/rural more than anything really, people from Aarhus are basically okay from a Copenhagen perspective, but people from Sorø might as well be from Jutland, despite being firmly on Zealand. The tax thing gives rise to prices in "jyske dollars", which means without VAT.
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I’m a weird far traveller who comes from all over, so I can laugh at all the stereotypes as well. Once in a while I’m surprised by someone who takes real serious offence at something, and who also think other stereotypes are totally correct, and I’m really weirded out. There only a couple of really true ones. 1) Næstved area has by far the most awful sounding accent of the entire country. 2) people from Herning are the worst.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I’m a weird far traveller who comes from all over, so I can laugh at all the stereotypes as well. Once in a while I’m surprised by someone who takes real serious offence at something, and who also think other stereotypes are totally correct, and I’m really weirded out. I'm so thoroughly from Copenhagen that I'm not entirely sure which part of the country those two places are in.
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Only correct stereotype is it's all poo poo and should be bulldozed back into the chalky sea.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:people from Herning are the worst. I see you've never visited Randers.
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SplitSoul posted:Only correct stereotype is it's all poo poo and should be bulldozed back into the chalky sea. But enough about Stockholm….
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Thanks for the replies on Jutlander stereotypes, everyone. KozmoNaut posted:I see you've never visited Randers. For what it's worth there's a pretty good museum there and some neat old buildings.
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KozmoNaut posted:I see you've never visited Randers. 
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jeebus bob posted:I'm so thoroughly from Copenhagen that I'm not entirely sure which part of the country those two places are in. Jylland. Which is everything with a zip code above 2799.
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Cardiac posted:But enough about Stockholm…. Chalky water doesn't melt granite!
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Revelation 2-13 posted:There only a couple of really true ones. 1) Næstved area has by far the most awful sounding accent of the entire country. 2) people from Herning are the worst. Herning pretty bad. But Vestegnen, Randers and Aalborg sure as gently caress at least competes with them.
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