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https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1469816863655874561 Woops! tl;dr - Wizards is going after NuTSR claiming their registration of various trademarks (including TSR) was fraudulent. Who said that lawsuit wasn't going anywhere?
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Halloween Jack posted:I forgot about the second game! Now that you bring it up, I must admit that the XXVC cover art is pretty similar to what TSR was doing for Star Frontiers and Gamma World around the same timeframe. Still, it doesn't really scream "transhuman revolution sci-fi across the solar system" to prospective buyers, and probably didn't appeal to people who liked e.g. Cyberpunk 2020. Yeah, it really doesn't (disclaimer: Cyberpunk 2020 is my favorite rpg of all time, warts and all). I'm sure there's something about the "gaming zeitgeist being 10-20 years behind the actual current trends in fiction" going on there also. PROBABLY also something with rpg designers of the time generally being older dudes that were making games about the sort of fiction that they grew up on in an industry that took a while to actually have any sort of change going on. Contrast to now with a much more diverse set of developers and technology that makes the industry much more agile as a whole than it was back then.
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Dec 13, 2021 21:46
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We're at the "...and Find Out" alternatively the "Win Stupid Prizes" for TSR3.5 And LaNasty's "Don't trust anyone except CLOWNFISH TV" sez it all really.
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"Hoisted by their own grognard." The prophecy!
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D&D: WotC’s New Batch of Errata Removes Racial Alignments, Retcons Drow
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Dec 14, 2021 17:06
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Good except for making Drizzt white.
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While we can all have a conversation about racism in RPGs and how terrible / maybe-less-terrible WotC is, I'm way more interested in this idea of rewriting RPGs and labeling it "errata". This feels like a very modern thing to do - games are available as PDFs, we've changed them to keep up with the zeitgeist, your printed books are old now. At what point does something go from being errata to a rewrite? Also kind of weirdly parallels Magic Alchemy, but I don't want to thread derail.
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CitizenKeen posted:While we can all have a conversation about racism in RPGs and how terrible / maybe-less-terrible WotC is, I'm way more interested in this idea of rewriting RPGs and labeling it "errata". This feels like a very modern thing to do - games are available as PDFs, we've changed them to keep up with the zeitgeist, your printed books are old now. It was a mistake to make the black elves 99.9% evil, so it's errata.
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Dec 14, 2021 17:30
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CitizenKeen posted:Also kind of weirdly parallels Magic Alchemy, but I don't want to thread derail.
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Dec 14, 2021 17:31
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I saw someone chuddy mention that in relation to this earlier, and this is the TG industry thread. What is it? MTG is releasing a new digital only format, Alchemy, with a new digital only set, Alchemy: Innistrad. It’s designed to use cards that would be impossibly difficult to do in paper, because they create other cards or permanently alter cards for the duration of a game.
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Dec 14, 2021 17:34
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Removing racial alignments - good. Making Drow no longer a weird Curse of Ham race - good. Combining "Drow - good actually" and "Drow - white actually" into the one errata - oof, lol
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I feel like there's some nomenclature issues here, with white and black referring to both skin tones (closer to light tan and deep brown) and colors. Honestly new Drizz't looks purple.
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Dec 14, 2021 17:39
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Mors Rattus posted:MTG is releasing a new digital only format, Alchemy, with a new digital only set, Alchemy: Innistrad. It’s designed to use cards that would be impossibly difficult to do in paper, because they create other cards or permanently alter cards for the duration of a game. In this context I think it’s important to note that Alchemy is changing the values on certain cards in digital, exactly like this errata will for dnd. There will no longer be a value for preferred alignment in dnd. The end of the article mentions 2024 as the probable next rules iteration, I didn’t know about that, do we know anything more right now?
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homullus posted:It was a mistake to make the black elves 99.9% evil, so it's errata. It is a less terrible, but still awful, choice to make them lavender.
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Dec 14, 2021 17:41
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I saw someone chuddy mention that in relation to this earlier, and this is the TG industry thread. What is it? Magic has started making digital-only cards that would have impossible paper mechanics (like automatically search your deck for a card and put it into your hand without shuffling). A lot of these cards, even if possible in paper, would add a bookkeeping or time expense (doing a lot of searching/shuffling eats up time, especially at tournaments). A lot of chuddy reactionaries absolutely lost their poo poo about this in toxic ways, very reminiscent of the folks who freaked out over 4th Edition D&D for being too "video gamey".
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Mors Rattus posted:MTG is releasing a new digital only format, Alchemy, with a new digital only set, Alchemy: Innistrad. It’s designed to use cards that would be impossibly difficult to do in paper, because they create other cards or permanently alter cards for the duration of a game.
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Froghammer posted:I feel like there's some nomenclature issues here, with white and black referring to both skin tones (closer to light tan and deep brown) and colors.
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CitizenKeen posted:While we can all have a conversation about racism in RPGs and how terrible / maybe-less-terrible WotC is, I'm way more interested in this idea of rewriting RPGs and labeling it "errata". This feels like a very modern thing to do - games are available as PDFs, we've changed them to keep up with the zeitgeist, your printed books are old now. This is nothing new for D&D, I have tons of errata printed out and tucked into my 3e books. It wasn’t as common or as sweeping as all this is, but off the top of my head several game mechanics were rewritten in new printings (weapon scaling by size for example). It’s called errata as it’s the changes for new printings, but that’s the only reason.
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Dec 14, 2021 18:06
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Splicer posted:Oh hang on, it says grey with many "hues", not shades. Terrible writing aside this means Drow are rainbow elves now. I am 100% behind this. JEM and the Dancing Lights
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Dec 14, 2021 18:08
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I have nothing of value to add to the discussion but drow have been all kinds of colours over the years. 
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Froghammer posted:I feel like there's some nomenclature issues here, with white and black referring to both skin tones (closer to light tan and deep brown) and colors. It would be good if it stopped cosplayers from doing blackface.
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Mors Rattus posted:MTG is releasing a new digital only format, Alchemy, with a new digital only set, Alchemy: Innistrad. It’s designed to use cards that would be impossibly difficult to do in paper, because they create other cards or permanently alter cards for the duration of a game. As I understand it, it's not just a digital only format - they're changing the non-digital only format (Standard) but only in the digital game. Or did I misunderstand that? Toshimo posted:A lot of chuddy reactionaries absolutely lost their poo poo about this in toxic ways, very reminiscent of the folks who freaked out over 4th Edition D&D for being too "video gamey". A lot of non-chuddy non-reactionaries also really don't like it, but you paint with the brushes you want.
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Dec 14, 2021 18:33
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CitizenKeen posted:As I understand it, it's not just a digital only format - they're changing the non-digital only format (Standard) but only in the digital game. Or did I misunderstand that? They're making a second digital-only 'standard', its Arena's eternal format that's changing with no 'normal' version available.
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Arivia posted:This is nothing new for D&D, I have tons of errata printed out and tucked into my 3e books. It wasn’t as common or as sweeping as all this is, but off the top of my head several game mechanics were rewritten in new printings (weapon scaling by size for example). It’s called errata as it’s the changes for new printings, but that’s the only reason. Fair. I was just curious what would be "too big to be errata". I think about the differences between 3E and 3.X, and wonder if that distinction would be necessary in today's world. Could D&D get rid of Constitution as a stat, or replace Armor Class with Active Dodge and Armor Rating or somesuch, and still call it "errata". Fantastic Foreskin posted:They're making a second digital-only 'standard', its Arena's eternal format that's changing with no 'normal' version available. Got it, thank you!
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Basically, there's a theoretical, paper only format called "Pioneer" that's supposed to be all standard legal sets that have been created since X Date. No one actually plays it because Modern exists. The goal has always been to try and get Pioneer into Arena, and the "Historic" format is them sort of trying to get there, but it's languished in recent years. in a theoretical world where Pioneer is already in arena, them adding Alchemy cards to Historic doesn't really matter. but we do not live in that world. So they're basically screwing over one of Arena's most popular formats because they want to chase hearthstone now?
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CitizenKeen posted:Fair. I was just curious what would be "too big to be errata". I think about the differences between 3E and 3.X, and wonder if that distinction would be necessary in today's world. Could D&D get rid of Constitution as a stat, or replace Armor Class with Active Dodge and Armor Rating or somesuch, and still call it "errata". I'm pretty sure that the only lesson WotC learned from 4e was that you can't have edition wars without formal edition change. Consider how NEXT slid into 5e, then underwent successive revisions. Nobody is going to make a heroic last-posting stand that the Q4 2021 errata is "fake D&D" and eveything after that is a dumbed-down baby game. We'll probably just see iterative tweaks, with changes collected into future reprints. Old rules will get the same bad cosmonaut treatment Zak's credit did in the current printings. For big systems, it's just going to be optional subsystems that get less "optional." Dudes of the Underdark might introduce your Constitution-free defense stat, which might take off and get reprinted in the PHB with CON presented as an alternative system. Official modules stop using CON, and now D&D doesn't have Constitution - but there's no breaking point for anyone to scream about it. It's a guided evolution, like Intelligent Design but real.
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People absolutely have drawn lines in the sand effortposting on individual releases, like the Tasha's changes and the mere existence of the MtG settings. Never underestimate a DnD player's ability to whine.
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CitizenKeen posted:Fair. I was just curious what would be "too big to be errata". I think about the differences between 3E and 3.X, and wonder if that distinction would be necessary in today's world. Could D&D get rid of Constitution as a stat, or replace Armor Class with Active Dodge and Armor Rating or somesuch, and still call it "errata". Exalted 2e's later errata totally rewrote entire chapters of multiple books! I don't think there's any locktight definition of errata to question or ponder, really. An erratum is just a correction of a previously printed error. It doesn't even necessarily mean there will be corrected reprints. There have been whole pages and chapters missed and errata'd in all sorts of books. There's certainly a conversation to be had about errata that gets too immense, though, especially if there are no reprints to incorporate the bulk. Exalted 2e became absolutely farcical, sending the entire game to cross-referencing hell. I get the impression D&D4 tiptoed in that direction, though I never played without the digital tools anyway. It was still errata, though, regardless of how useless it might have been in practice for most readers.
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The Bee posted:People absolutely have drawn lines in the sand effortposting on individual releases, like the Tasha's changes and the mere existence of the MtG settings. Never underestimate a DnD player's ability to whine. They're not getting anywhere near the traction they would over an edition change, are they? I assume it's just bravado and then they fold because the alternative is finding a different group or better game.
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Wizards is doing a ton of hiring rn, so they are about to start ramping up for 6E(5.5E) or whatever they want to call it.
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Dexo posted:Wizards is doing a ton of hiring rn, so they are about to start ramping up for 6E(5.5E) or whatever they want to call it. 5e Essentials 
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Dexo posted:Wizards is doing a ton of hiring rn, so they are about to start ramping up for 6E(5.5E) or whatever they want to call it.
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CitizenKeen posted:Could D&D get rid of Constitution as a stat, or replace Armor Class with Active Dodge and Armor Rating or somesuch, and still call it "errata".
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I for one am incredibly hype for the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Revised 5th edition.
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The Street Fighter II model would probably work especially well on D&D players, since conditions are met as long as the keyword is there somewhere. Super Advanced Dungeons & Turbo Dragons Revised Champion 5th Edition would get gobbled up, while 6e would be a new game and ugh guys I already have all the books for 5th. I mean, they're already doing this with (temporarily, probably) exclusive content in this gift set: quote:Includes the debut of Monsters of the Multiverse, a comprehensive resource for players and Dungeon Masters alike, containing over 30 updated player character races and a massive bestiary with over 250 redesigned monsters and stat blocks, all for use in any D&D world They probably won't do a fun gimmick name, but they're already doing the slow-crawl perpetually morphing rules I was talking about.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It is a less terrible, but still awful, choice to make them lavender. I am not sure why you quoted me but I don't think I disagree. Leaning into the colorism in drow representation isn't great. They may have felt that lavender was less fraught than keeping drow black; I think this is the standard white fear of doing a racism, and it's also not great. They already walked back the essentialism and could (and I think should) have kept them black. Now with "grayish skin of many hues" they've opened the door to drow who can pass as other elves (i.e. white). It's a step back.
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homullus posted:Now with "grayish skin of many hues" they've opened the door to drow who can pass as other elves (i.e. white). It's a step back. I barely remember anything else about that series but I'm sure it was one of many racisms in the "fantasy Europe colonizes fantasy South America" books.
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I prefer the Veinscrawl dark elves, whose skin is distinctive in that it looks like veined marble.
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The Bee posted:People absolutely have drawn lines in the sand effortposting on individual releases, like the Tasha's changes and the mere existence of the MtG settings. Never underestimate a DnD player's ability to whine. Yeah, but I feel like there's been a definite effort on WotC's part to make as few waves as possible when introducing rule changes. It's really evident in Tasha's in that all of the changes that address longstanding mechanical issues are listed as "optional", most likely to give them some degree of plausible deniability towards their groggier fans who abhor any kind of change. While D&D players will whine about just about anything, Wizards is definitely making an effort to set off as few of them as possible.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm pretty sure that would set off a lot of people's Good Ideas Alarm and it would be quickly squashed. I don't mean the fanbase, I mean the people working on D&D. B-b-but their new job posting asks for:
Surely they wouldn't stamp down on new ideas brought by the least senior person they hired!
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