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I boosted a war because I wanted to finish all the ShB role quests to put a bow on it before Endwalker. Original plan was to level paladin but I only made it to 50 before running out of time. War was the tank I was least interested in leveling and would gain the most from boosting (level 11 compared to 60 gbr, 50 pal and 46 dk). So now I've got an 80 war and they have so many buff cooldowns that I have no idea where to start with them... I usually put the tank buffs on my top row hotbar and they spilled over easily. Gonna have to find a guide but once I have the other roles to 90 I'll start by jumping into MSQ roulette to see what they have at 50 and go from there. If I had to start over I'd main paladin for a number of reasons, especially style and shorter queues. I started in open beta as a gladiator, didn't play for years, came back and got arcanist and rogue to 30, skipped another year, came back and started new as a monk. I like its action pose in cutscenes, and the movement and animations in combat. I'm going to finish out EW MSQ as a monk. I'm using red mage as my secondary class, with the ShB role armor and an amazing top hat + monocle I got early on which is hilariously stylish for doing all the sidequests. I just wish I had Hildibrand quests left to do with it. He's supposed to be back this expansion, right? Shadowbringers and Endwalker have made great strides in really making me like my character. I meant to fantasia away to change things up since I'm huge at swapping around races and classes in other games and playing alts. But I'm tied to her as the protagonist of the game now and watching other peoples' characters is just flat out weird
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bagrada posted:I boosted a war because I wanted to finish all the ShB role quests to put a bow on it before Endwalker. Original plan was to level paladin but I only made it to 50 before running out of time. War was the tank I was least interested in leveling and would gain the most from boosting (level 11 compared to 60 gbr, 50 pal and 46 dk). For what it's worth, warrior is probably the easiest of the lot to pick up and play. You can actually get a really good feel for button layouts and such without subjecting people to bad tranking just by playing in trusts getting a feel for how they play in Dungeons.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:20
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Warrior is absolutely beastly right now with both self sustain and burst damage on demand, and their level 90 is one of the most satisfying buttons in the game to push. Be a warrior, you won't regret it.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:28
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I'm hearing very good arguments for both WAR and PLD so I guess I'm gonna level both as I go  WAR just seems very satisfying and that's something I love about GNB with all the explosions and self-healing, so that sounds great to me, and then PLD leaning into the "protect everyone" aspect also really appeals to me (Heart of Light is one of my favorite GNB buttons to press).
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Dec 14, 2021 23:30
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Seeing Reaper in action makes me sorta bummed about how goofy Machinist looks during Overheat. Gauss Round and Ricochet should have gotten new animations in EW that flow more naturally from Heat Blast - when you watch a Reaper dumping their buttons during the 1.5s GCD phase it looks badass and flowing, but when MCH does it looks really janky and stilted as they snap between dabbing and basically standing rigid with their arm out.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:32
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I'm biased against reaper because I think those stink clouds they leave all over the place are very ugly
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Dec 14, 2021 23:33
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hazardousmouse posted:I beat em all cause I wanted those sweet sweet check marks saying I did. Yeah, I got it eventually. This is pretty much correct. The boss always targets the player with his cone stun, so as you said it's important to stand away from the NPCs since they don't dodge things, as the healer getting stunned means they fall behind on healing and might not heal you out of doom. In the meantime you also have to use engage/disengage so you can pull the boss off his totem auras. However, the healer doesn't heal while disengaging so that risks the doom, again. Of course, the tank will sometimes randomly decide to run in and hit a totem, pulling the boss back into its aura and forcing another disengage. Insanely frustrating, glad it's over.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:35
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Countblanc posted:Seeing Reaper in action makes me sorta bummed about how goofy Machinist looks during Overheat. Gauss Round and Ricochet should have gotten new animations in EW that flow more naturally from Heat Blast - when you watch a Reaper dumping their buttons during the 1.5s GCD phase it looks badass and flowing, but when MCH does it looks really janky and stilted as they snap between dabbing and basically standing rigid with their arm out. Yeah, I really wish they'd smooth out those animations, it looks so goofy. All three of them constantly get clipped by one another, so your character is just flailing around snapping to different positions, it's like I'm playing LotRO again. It's a shame because most of their animations are great! It's just the spam phase that looks bad.
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So one of the 'beast tribes' for this expac are definitely going to be (EX dungeon and final zone spoilers):The bar at the end of existance, right?
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Dec 14, 2021 23:40
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:So one of the 'beast tribes' for this expac are definitely going to be (EX dungeon and final zone spoilers):The bar at the end of existance, right? Maybe. Could also be custom deliveries. There's definitely gonna be something though since there's the option to find out more about ancient civilizations that only has one choice so far.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:42
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homeless snail posted:I'm biased against reaper because I think those stink clouds they leave all over the place are very ugly Is Reaper also really into yelling and grunting and poo poo? I haven't tried the class yet, but I swear the amount of weird little yelps I heard in dungeons skyrocketed when they showed up. (What I could hear over the Sage's one-person arcade, anyway.)
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Regy Rusty posted:Maybe. Could also be custom deliveries. There's definitely gonna be something though since there's the option to find out more about ancient civilizations that only has one choice so far. Okay but if they're the crafting one you get to help set up a weird little town by crafting all the things they need to run a cafe
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Dec 14, 2021 23:44
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PLD is going to be the smoothest and easiest tank youll play thats also going to be roasted in like a month about having the worst damage. I have nothing to support this statement except precedence
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Dec 14, 2021 23:55
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Their damage was perfectly fine in ShB.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:57
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DRK has TBN and apparently the highest damage potential right now? But it plays very boring besides TBN being fun to press, so I wouldn't really recommend it even if it IS my personal tank job.
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Dec 14, 2021 23:58
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Valentin posted:Okay back to unrelated 83 spoilers, and a question specifically for lala players, what does the WoL do in the cutscene where you attack Zenos in your body? I can't imagine you do the same running tackle, I feel like it's at the wrong height. This isn't the best shot on earth but here you go: it looked a little funny but no discordant or janky. It made sense to me that it looked a little awkward since after all my WoL was suddenly piloting a body twice her normal size, so stumbling around and bumbling and blundering felt reasonable 
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Dec 15, 2021 00:13
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Thundarr posted:Friendly advice to people just now getting to 89-90 in the story: this is good advice, I'd also reccomend not using mount roulette because while funny, it feels off if you get out your namazu mikoshi.
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Dec 15, 2021 00:20
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The nice thing about going through the MSQ as a Warrior is that your 'burst phase' is on demand, so when you need to kill something for a quest you know exactly what buttons to press and you get to just do it right away. Also Warrior is very good when your healer bites it and the boss has 10% HP left. With Nascent Flash and Shake It Off you can even bring a DPS with you sometimes!
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Dec 15, 2021 00:26
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bewilderment posted:The nice thing about going through the MSQ as a Warrior is that your 'burst phase' is on demand, so when you need to kill something for a quest you know exactly what buttons to press and you get to just do it right away. This also applies to Bard, I can just blow everything I have at once and the mob is probably down to 25% by the time I'm out of buttons, if not dead outright.
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Dec 15, 2021 00:27
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bewilderment posted:The nice thing about going through the MSQ as a Warrior is that your 'burst phase' is on demand, so when you need to kill something for a quest you know exactly what buttons to press and you get to just do it right away.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:So one of the 'beast tribes' for this expac are definitely going to be (EX dungeon and final zone spoilers):The bar at the end of existance, right? It's going to be the setting of the new Hildibrand quests.
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Dec 15, 2021 00:31
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Wrestlepig posted:this is good advice, I'd also reccomend not using mount roulette because while funny, it feels off if you get out your namazu mikoshi. w-wa... w-wasshoi... 
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Dec 15, 2021 00:37
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Someone earlier asked about good AF sets this expansion and I will just once again say that the DNC gear for males is extremely fantastic.
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Pigbuster posted:w-wa... w-wasshoi... me when anything in the main story happened 
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Dec 15, 2021 00:55
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Able to get a reasonable Jojo vibe out of the final GNB set (with the hat from the last MSQ set before that). Digging it. 
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Someone earlier asked about good AF sets this expansion and I will just once again say that the DNC gear for males is extremely fantastic. they don't have the hotpants though it loving sucks!!!! the (formerly) female thavnairian hotpants are a pretty good substitute though
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About the end of Zone 5 and the dungeon. I don't really get how Hermes thinks this was "fair" in any way whatsoever and he isn't the greatest monster in history.
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Dec 15, 2021 01:23
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Pwnstar posted:About the end of Zone 5 and the dungeon. It isn't fair as in "This a good thing to do." It's fair as in "I want to see how this situation would actually play out without us having psychic future knowledge because I need proof that life isn't futile and meaningless." He wants that to be proven. It also has the convenient side effect of erasing his own memory so he doesn't have to acknowledge his crime.
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Dec 15, 2021 01:27
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The blm 90 AF has really grown on me. I do miss the casting sets like yafaemi or the WoD set. 70 AF was also really cool. Guess I like big witchy hats
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re: Zone 5 Hermes also has some justified problems with Amaurotine society and legitimate concerns about it's future fate. And hey here's this wonderful goth bird that can force society to fix its problems or die which sounds perfect for the sad boy with a tendency to act unilaterally. It's why he rejects joining Meteion, he does want his people to live.
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jobtalk: I started the game around 3.0/3.1, started as THM and stayed BLM until SB came out and immediately went RDM and have been since. Powerleveling RDM during SB early access was the super right choice, with all the problems, I didn't even end up that far behind the curve. I remember when I first started, MCH sounded super cool, and I spent so much of my time leveling through ARR, doing the 2.x series feeling like "when are we gonna get to
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EW PLD is amazing now that it's got some very strong self-sustain. Also big swords. The Holy Sheltron sfx might be one of the coolest in the game. You're just a slab of steel that can pretty much live forever.
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Dec 15, 2021 01:41
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Admiral Joeslop posted:This also applies to Bard, I can just blow everything I have at once and the mob is probably down to 25% by the time I'm out of buttons, if not dead outright. A quality of life thing I didn't think of that comes from divorcing songs and dots? It just keeps ticking. Kill a guy, go back roaming the overworld, and by the time you fight again Apex Arrow is gonna be charged up and ready.
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More ShB playthrough thoughts: Roles Quests 70-72: I’ve only access to the physical and healer ones. So far Giott rules and the physical catboy is annoying. I don’t know how I feel about putting down Ardbert’s old comrades. I guess it’s a way for the game to give us their backstory. I’m curious why Ardbert is still around while they turned Lead up to the first Trial: We get to do our own gas attack to rescue Minfilia, but it’s sleeping gas, so it’s OK. Ran’jit doing the “I’ve observed your fighting moves and will now defeat you in one strike” is a thematically appropriate for his archetype to win against us, but it feels a bit silly how everyone he knocked out in the first minute of the fight spent the rest of it hunched over. It’s a real fight, you don’t lose by ring out, guys! The 8th Umbral Calamity Urianger describes feels much more momentous than the 7th. It’s not just a big natural calamity, it also ushers in huge sociopolitical changes. Sorry if I’m hung up about this, it’s still weird to compare the 7th UC to all the others. The term Umbral Light is making me twitch, but I like how it reconfigures the cosmology. It also clarifies that the thinning of aether is a consequence of the events of ShB and not a prelude to Endwalker as I theorized. This is an excellent showing for Urianger, between his cool new looks, him tricking the fairies into regularly serving him tea and biscuits, giving the WoL a loaded Checkhov gun in the form of more white auracyte, and being afraid of swimming. He’s really getting fleshed out as a core Scion. By contrast, Thancred is being a lovely dad. His attitude is clearly sending all the wrong messages to this new Minfilia, and her later outburst shows that she picked up on all of it and is devaluing her own individuality by desperately trying to fulfill some sort of mission the original Minfilia might have for her. I’m pretty sure all the original wants is for the new one to forge her own path though. The lvl 73 dungeon had exactly what I wanted to see in trusts, with Thancred instantly teleporting over the tightrope path the final boss creates while Minfilia barely crosses half of it by the time it disappears, clearly afraid of heights. It’s fun how the little blessing we got mid-Stormblood means the WoL is now able to permanently breathe underwater, and that this power comes back several times in the story. They could have let that be a gameplay element that never came back into the story, but instead it’s become an addition to our skill set.
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Ibblebibble posted:EW PLD is amazing now that it's got some very strong self-sustain. Also big swords. The Holy Sheltron sfx might be one of the coolest in the game. You're just a slab of steel that can pretty much live forever. EW Paladin is probably the best version yet for "you don't really NEED a healer in dungeons that often." I've had more than one situation where a Sage ate poo poo and then I just proceeded to tank-slash-heal the rest of the party through the entire fight, which was often possible but EW makes it feel extremely good since you have sustain beyond Clemency.
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ImpAtom posted:It isn't fair as in "This a good thing to do." It's fair as in "I want to see how this situation would actually play out without us having psychic future knowledge because I need proof that life isn't futile and meaningless." He wants that to be proven. It also has the convenient side effect of erasing his own memory so he doesn't have to acknowledge his crime. Zone 5 end again There's the whole thing where all societies are inherently self-destructive (including Amaurot). I can understand how it would be a proper trial for everyone not to know that and see if they can survive on their own merits. But then Hermes turns Meteion into a Weapon of Mass Destruction/Sadness who will attack with an invisible form of energy that nobody knows about that literally destroys all known laws of nature leading to mass confusion and terror. This is seeing a society teetering on the cliff edge then pushing them off and holding their head underwater. Idk, I would prefer if Hermes was just like actually gently caress everything you people don't deserve to live." The real dope poo poo of this area is hearing from Emet-Selch the whole last expansion about how Amaurot was this perfect enlightened society and everyone was so wonderful and intelligent but literally everyone you meet but him (and Hermes) is a huge goofball just having a fun time. They all instantly love you and think you are a cool little weird gremlin and think all your ideas and thoughts about stuff are rad. Then their whole society collapsed because they didn't invent therapy.
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ImpAtom posted:EW Paladin is probably the best version yet for "you don't really NEED a healer in dungeons that often." I've had more than one situation where a Sage ate poo poo and then I just proceeded to tank-slash-heal the rest of the party through the entire fight, which was often possible but EW makes it feel extremely good since you have sustain beyond Clemency. My one annoyance is that they removed Req boosting Clemency so you can't do like 5 Benes in a row but I'll take it as a sacrifice that needed to be made to get the rest of the toolkit.
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The thing to note about the 7th calamity is (level 73-ish, before first ShB trial) that Louisoix managed to contain the damage. EVERY other Calamity has basically remade the world and forced mankind (in the generic all-races sense) to start from scratch,
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escape mechanism posted:The 8th Umbral Calamity Urianger describes feels much more momentous than the 7th. It’s not just a big natural calamity, it also ushers in huge sociopolitical changes. Sorry if I’m hung up about this, it’s still weird to compare the 7th UC to all the others. Do Coils of Bahamut some time if you can. But from the Eorzean perspective it did completely alter their continent so it was significant enough to call a Calamity. edit: Pwnstar posted:There's the whole thing where all societies are inherently self-destructive (including Amaurot). I can understand how it would be a proper trial for everyone not to know that and see if they can survive on their own merits. But then Hermes turns Meteion into a Weapon of Mass Destruction/Sadness who will attack with an invisible form of energy that nobody knows about that literally destroys all known laws of nature leading to mass confusion and terror. This is seeing a society teetering on the cliff edge then pushing them off and holding their head underwater. Idk, I would prefer if Hermes was just like actually gently caress everything you people don't deserve to live." Yeah but if he lets people remember the Meteion stuff they can probably stop her before she actually gathers enough steam to be the sort of existential threat Hermes thinks is necessary, which wouldn't really be "fair". It is an extremely bad thing he is doing though. TGLT fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Bruceski posted:The thing to note about the 7th calamity is (level 73-ish, before first ShB trial) that Louisoix managed to contain the damage. EVERY other Calamity has basically remade the world and forced mankind (in the generic all-races sense) to start from scratch, Yeah, I think it's worth noting that the 7th Calamity was basically the least destructive calamity to date. Each previous one was basically a biblical level disaster that wiped out most civilization. Bahamut "only" created disasters and changed Ishgard into a frozen hellscape and reshaped the land as opposed to "That one time someone literally made an Ark."
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