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fatelvis posted:At present a very likely outcome of doing mandatory vaccines is having a bunch of NHS workers quit
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It's weird that these so-called feminists have jumped on "rape requires a penis in english law" to claim that the 400-odd women found guilty of rape over the past reporting period are all secret penis havers (rather than accessories or joint participants). It's doubly weird that "those old men that wrote the penis rape law in the 1860s were right actually" is now being paraded as a feminist position. (It stops being weird when you just consider terves to be reactionaries rather than feminists.)
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It would actually be beneficial to everyone if anti-vax healthcare workers would quit and get another job, much how it was surely beneficial to everyone when all the anti-hand washing surgeons found something else to do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pntz1V_v_sI if you wanted to duck out of the worst timeline for about 14 minutes to watch animals doin' things on the farm then this is a good compilation even if I do say so myself
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Dec 15, 2021 10:29
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Guavanaut posted:It's weird that these so-called feminists have jumped on "rape requires a penis in english law" to claim that the 400-odd women found guilty of rape over the past reporting period are all secret penis havers (rather than accessories or joint participants). Between this, SWERFism, and this weird movement of infantalisation of adults between 18-25(?) where 'any perceived imbalance of power between individuals is automatically coercive and abusive', poo poo's going to get so much worse before it gets better.
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Guavanaut posted:It's weird that these so-called feminists have jumped on "rape requires a penis in english law" to claim that the 400-odd women found guilty of rape over the past reporting period are all secret penis havers (rather than accessories or joint participants). I was going to say, do they think that if a trans woman rapes someone that they get to say "actually I'm a woman" and the law just magically won't apply to them? Is that literally the thinking here?
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Total Meatlove posted:Between this, SWERFism, and this weird movement of infantalisation of adults between 18-25(?) where 'any perceived imbalance of power between individuals is automatically coercive and abusive', poo poo's going to get so much worse before it gets better. sorry mate what is this? I think I missed the twitter roundup on SWERFism
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Dec 15, 2021 10:43
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JK Rowling is proper broke brained isn't she, it's insane. She could be travelling the world on a super yacht, or dedicating all her time to volunteering or solving world poverty, or climate change but... No. She's decided to fight the scourge of 'penised' women.
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Dec 15, 2021 10:46
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Guavanaut posted:It's weird that these so-called feminists have jumped on "rape requires a penis in english law" to claim that the 400-odd women found guilty of rape over the past reporting period are all secret penis havers (rather than accessories or joint participants). Thank you for being the translator of whatever these mad old bags are shiteing on about. Ffs
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Dec 15, 2021 10:52
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Convex posted:sorry mate what is this? I think I missed the twitter roundup on SWERFism I'm in no way best placed to comment on it properly. Just overlapping between your run of the mill religious psychos, anti-porn lobbyists and terfs. The SNP questionnaire is probably a good example, or the Durham uni thing? There are legit questions to be asked, and nothing is above scrutiny, but there's a weird tact of 'if you want to educate people on this, you're secretly looking to exploit them'.
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The Perfect Element posted:JK Rowling is proper broke brained isn't she, it's insane. She could be travelling the world on a super yacht, or dedicating all her time to volunteering or solving world poverty, or climate change but... No. She's decided to fight the scourge of 'penised' women. I mean I've seen plenty of them on the internet, they're definitely real. I don't know what she's on about
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Dec 15, 2021 10:56
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Posted this over in the Harry Potter threda in Sci-fi Wi-fi too, but if I were a billionaire children's author with the ear of the establishment looking to raise awareness of feminist issues with policing in the UK... maybe just once or something
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Dec 15, 2021 11:12
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Too much money breaks brains. Audit the rich
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Dec 15, 2021 11:13
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Nah, Twitter breaks brains on equal terms regardless of wealth. /edit: though audit the rich anyway ofc
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Dec 15, 2021 11:19
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They love their weird past participles, don't they? "Penised" and "transgendered". Using them as adjectives, but with the implication that this is something that happened in a mysterious passive way, some time in the past. A massive red flag, along with "transwoman" and similar - anything to avoid admitting that a person is a woman, modified by a simple adjective like "black" or "tall".
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Bobstar posted:They love their weird past participles, don't they? "Penised" and "transgendered". Using them as adjectives, but with the implication that this is something that happened in a mysterious passive way, some time in the past. e2: or a  manosphere weirdo, but in any case, avoid
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"male-bodied" and "penised" are successive attempts to abstract away from the core principle of "we always know", which, lol they don't
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Bobstar posted:They love their weird past participles, don't they? "Penised" and "transgendered". Using them as adjectives, but with the implication that this is something that happened in a mysterious passive way, some time in the past. Hell we can't even get them to admit that a person is a person.
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Dec 15, 2021 11:29
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There was that stupid terf social media thing that uses an AI to try to determine your gender and it apparently will verify trans women quite happily and also some twinks lmao, obviously it also rejects a bunch of cis women arbitrarily because AI is the future.
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The AI phrenology social media thing was a great example and loving funny to boot.
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josh04 posted:"male-bodied" and "penised" are successive attempts to abstract away from the core principle of "we always know", which, lol they don't Rowling clearly pictures trans women as just a penis with a 'woman' attached, which is so hilariously dumb that I'm surprised she didn't already write a book about an evil misogynist wizard reanimating a bucket of severed penises into an army of PENISED WOMEN to kill all the REAL WOMEN in the world Convex fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I was going to say, do they think that if a trans woman rapes someone that they get to say "actually I'm a woman" and the law just magically won't apply to them? Is that literally the thinking here? (cw: rape, sexual assault, terf bullshit) Under English law rape requires a penis, this was written by Victorian legislators, and (the last time I listened to any feminist with serious legal credentials talk about it) it's bad, because it centers the entire thing around some 19th century dude's ideas about 'insert dong' and not around more general principles of consent and coercion. Even so, under current interpretation of the law, it does not specifically have to be your penis, so a cursory look at some of the cases of the ~400 women convicted of rape or similar tend to be along the lines of "she held X down and encouraged Y" and regardless of the specific failings of our legal definitions it seems like a fair charge in those cases. However because you don't get to be a terf without getting enraged at things you have entirely imagined rather than the actual bad thing happening, they have decided that because "rape requires a penis" and because "~400 women convicted of rape" in the report they're angry at, all of those women must have penes, and therefore there is an epidemic of trans women doing rape and then being sent to women's prison with no supervision. And so rather than any productive discussion about the long necessary need for rewriting these laws, we get a bunch of WomenWontWheesht accounts shouting about how Nicola Sturgeon wants all rapists to be able to declare that they're a woman and then they get sent to women's prison to do more rapes, because that definitely seems like something that Nicola Sturgeon would want and not unhinged bullshit. (e: Actually not sure what Scottish law says on this, but I am 100% sure that none of the people shouting about Nicola Sturgeon being owned by the trans agenda know or give a poo poo.) Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Guavanaut posted:It's weird that these so-called feminists have jumped on "rape requires a penis in english law" to claim that the 400-odd women found guilty of rape over the past reporting period are all secret penis havers (rather than accessories or joint participants). I wonder how they deal with https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/15/woman-convicted-of-impersonating-man-to-dupe-friend-into-having-sex for instance
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OwlFancier posted:obviously it also rejects a bunch of cis women arbitrarily because AI is the future. Is this because the AI is racist or just that the AI sucks?
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keep punching joe posted:Is this because the AI is racist or just that the AI sucks? Both, as it appears to consider smiling white and femme to be "woman" and everything else to be "not woman" Basically exactly what you would expect if you loaded an AI with training data from an internet search of "woman pictures" or some poo poo. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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Convex posted:I'm surprised she didn't already write a book about an evil misogynist wizard reanimating a bucket of severed penises into an army of PENISED WOMEN to kill all the REAL WOMEN in the world Guavanaut posted:Even so, under current interpretation of the law, it does not specifically have to be your penis, so a cursory look at some of the cases of the ~400 women convicted of rape or similar tend to be along the lines of "she held X down and encouraged Y" and regardless of the specific failings of our legal definitions it seems like a fair charge in those cases. What doesn't make sense is that if you e.g. (cw the obvious) forcibly penetrate someone with an object that's a less serious offence than if you used a penis, because of the inherent magic in penises or something (JK?)
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Bobstar posted:They love their weird past participles, don't they? "Penised" and "transgendered". Using them as adjectives, but with the implication that this is something that happened in a mysterious passive way, some time in the past. I'm uncomfortable saying this since I want to be respectful to all individuals and don't want to give off the impression that I am suggesting people are wrong to feel like they do, but I confess I was surprised when I learned it was considered objectionable, since we use a lot of -ed adjectives to describe people. Short-haired, brown-eyed, long-legged, empowered, enlightened, kind-hearted, old-fashioned. Before someone corrected me I'd been using the term because I thought at the time it was the more polite form, like, -ed terms are usually used for minor facets of a person, so I'd been under the impression that "transgendered woman" was actually highlighting "woman" as the primary characteristic, underscoring that such an individual was a woman first before any other characteristic. To be absolutely crystal clear I am not suggesting people are wrong for feeling like they do, and I don't use the term to describe people since I'm aware it's considered hurtful regardless of my own intuitions about it, and nobody owes me an explanation for how they feel. If transgender people don't like it I'm not gonna use it.
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Also are there any good pieces of analysis or writing on the current anti sex reactionary trend that seems to be infecting UK discourse. Where does it stem from? Presumably grown from the trans panic, but I'm starting to see more latent homophibia, anti-sex ed, anti-sex work etc poo poo coming from right and (usually) left people.
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feedmegin posted:I wonder how they deal with https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/15/woman-convicted-of-impersonating-man-to-dupe-friend-into-having-sex for instance Here's the sentencing remarks: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/r-v-newlandsentencing.pdf
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I think there is a lot of US fundie money being funneled to various lovely groups but I've also seen people suggest it has a fair bit to do with third wave feminism not really taking off in the UK the way second wave weirdness did and a lot of the entrenched UK academic and political scene is of the weird gender essentialist (but this time it's cool) stripe rather than of the "gender is a performance which means you can peform whatever you want but you probably have a specific idea of what you want to perform because of Society and we can't just magic that away" stripe. Also very sex negative in general by comparison. It certainly seems to be a big view with the usual shithead crowd where they are just repeating the kind of poo poo you would expect to hear from a priest 200 years ago except this time it's #girlboss to think that.
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Can NOT fathom the mindset of Joanne Koanne Roanne just strategically in terms of managing your life. Nashnal Tresha status assured Castle bought Simpsons-like deal to have Warners put out whatever crap she writes on the back of her shopping lists* then... THIS TERF poo poo IT WOULD LITERALLY HAVE COST YOU NOTHING TO SAY NOTHING Legacy in bin/sea/grave Not invited to arripottah reunion * all but one of the arripottah movies are actively bad, but the last "beasts"(?) movie was literally unwatchable, just a completely unpleasant experience
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If the trend with her books is anything to go by, she really needs an editor to produce passable work, and one of the side effects of fame is that you get to tell your editor, both professional and societal, to gently caress off. And for some people that is the most important thing in the world, they will Post themselves all the way to hell if given half a chance because that's all that matters, that what they think and have to say is the most important thing in the world.
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OwlFancier posted:There was that stupid terf social media thing that uses an AI to try to determine your gender and it apparently will verify trans women quite happily and also some twinks lmao, obviously it also rejects a bunch of cis women arbitrarily because AI is the future. I need to see this, fashion me with a link
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OwlFancier posted:I think there is a lot of US fundie money being funneled to various lovely groups [snip]
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I certainly think it is the narrow end of the wedge, and also literally just recycling all the gay panic rhetoric because a bunch of people never really stopped thinking it, and a bunch of others are only really "supportive" of gay rights to the extent that it's fashionable.
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keep punching joe posted:Also are there any good pieces of analysis or writing on the current anti sex reactionary trend that seems to be infecting UK discourse. Where does it stem from? Presumably grown from the trans panic, but I'm starting to see more latent homophibia, anti-sex ed, anti-sex work etc poo poo coming from right and (usually) left people. Albert Hirschman's book The Rhetoric of Reaction goes into some depth on that but you can simplify it as "change is bad, doing stuff is bad (unless it's something that I want to do), government doing stuff is especially bad" and then build a psychological defense around that where improving sex ed actually makes sex more dangerous and making sexuality more acceptable actually makes it worse and (as per the good article I found that book from) seatbelts cause car crashes and masks spread disease.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I would suggest yeah that's what i was wondering about, where the stress is thanks you very much!!!!
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xtothez posted:So GB News' plan is to increase viewer numbers by hiring a crafty anchor? i'm going to be watching it to see if i can spot him having a crafty one, the crafty git
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Reveilled posted:I'm uncomfortable saying this since I want to be respectful to all individuals and don't want to give off the impression that I am suggesting people are wrong to feel like they do, but I confess I was surprised when I learned it was considered objectionable, since we use a lot of -ed adjectives to describe people. Short-haired, brown-eyed, long-legged, empowered, enlightened, kind-hearted, old-fashioned. Before someone corrected me I'd been using the term because I thought at the time it was the more polite form, like, -ed terms are usually used for minor facets of a person, so I'd been under the impression that "transgendered woman" was actually highlighting "woman" as the primary characteristic, underscoring that such an individual was a woman first before any other characteristic. Note: I'm just a cis dude who reads things on the internet. And paraphrased transphobia below This makes sense, and may have been a thing in a less transphobic world. I believe the preferred option is part of an effort to have "transgender" treated as a straightforward adjective that describes a subcategory of "woman" or "man", just as "tall" or "Asian" might. Compare with "gay", which is just a neutral descriptive adjective, as opposed to a "gayed man" which would immediately make you wonder what the speaker is implying. Given the panic about people "transing" kids, I think it's just trying move away from anything verby-sounding. Borrovan posted:Using "male" and "female" as nouns is one that jumps out at me. 99% of the time anyone does that, you know straight off the bat they're either a transphobe or a cop (e: or a transphobic cop) Yeah there's a weird reversal that I notice. On the one hand, you have transphobes pretending to be reasonable, like "ok you can be a 'transwoman' but you're still a male right?", as if that was a thing that matters. But people also move away from using them as adjectives, like "a woman tennis player" or even "women tennis players" which makes my grammar hairs stand on end. For me, that would be a perfectly reasonable place to use "female" as an adjective - but then for me, that female category would include all women, while it may have been tainted by the "feeeeemales" and "male, actually" discourse, such that the phrase "female tennis players" could be suspected of excluding trans women. That second part is probably just me being an old man, I'm just amused by the reversal of noun and adjective in these opposing contexts  Bobstar fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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