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At this point I think the chances of a lockdown are more dependent on internal Tory politics than anything we could predict. We could just as easily be in lockdown on Friday evening with PM Truss
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Guavanaut posted:Laurence Fox lost like far more of a loving idiot. God, that was satisfying.
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https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1471043794695081987 e: also this. The camera that destroyed Allegra Stratton is looking for more victims https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1471209740604743687 and a bonus incredible CWS https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1471230086892470279 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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namesake posted:^^^^Surely they're primarily going to be no name non-political staff so there's little political reason to identify them? They are all no-namers until they're named. Then someone works out that one's the son of a duke, the other's the wife of the chief whip and the one on the floor has been in three local elections standing as a councillor for the conservatives. That's how political parties work isn't it? You grind your way up in HQ or as cannon-fodder candidates in hopeless contests for safe seats, then one day an MP chokes themselves to death while wanking and you get parachuted into their safe seat.
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Figures that the perfect synthesis between Old Tory advancement and New Tory advancement would be by dead man's bootstraps.
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He can claim he attended rather than organised, but I’d put a small bet on the platters being paid for out of his budget at least, if not his pocket.
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Endjinneer posted:They are all no-namers until they're named. Then someone works out that one's the son of a duke, the other's the wife of the chief whip and the one on the floor has been in three local elections standing as a councillor for the conservatives. Okay but who would name them? Someone could stalk LinkedIn and match faces but even if they are not-yet-beens rather than no names then there's no reason why any one would be able to pick them out with ease.
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namesake posted:Okay but who would name them? Someone could stalk LinkedIn and match faces but even if they are not-yet-beens rather than no names then there's no reason why any one would be able to pick them out with ease. Just takes one random non-tory person on the internet who went to university with them/lives on the same street to go "hang on, that was the twat who"
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namesake posted:Okay but who would name them? Someone could stalk LinkedIn and match faces but even if they are not-yet-beens rather than no names then there's no reason why any one would be able to pick them out with ease. Everyone seemed to be going for the easy strikes on the lightning rod rather than doing that. The hive-mind is pretty good at identifying people when it chooses to. The graun is filling in the blanks but reports that quite a few are deleting their profiles. The Graun posted:Adam Wildman, a Conservative councillor in the London borough of Bexley...Alexander Thompson who mastermind[ed] Vote Leave’s video ads...Ben Mallet, Bailey’s campaign director....Malin Bogue, an aide to his mayoral campaign...Bailey’s agent, Kerry Halfpenny, is to the right of Candy in a patterned dress. Some of these were just learning their trade on Bailey's campaign and they'll be around for a while. People on these hallowed forums have posted examples of information being released on left-wingers that suggested a systematic attempt to record their social media output that started before they were prominent. We need to respond in kind. Carve their names with malice.
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I would suggest that the reason bailey gets more attention is that even if there is someone who does know the others, nobody else is going to, you need to actually be someone important for people to give a poo poo, and we already know they're tory staffers, so tory staffer [specific] is not really a difference from tory staffer [in general] But professional gobshite shaun bailey is like an actual person so he is gonna get more attention.
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Shaun Bailey has two additional strikes against him in that he is 1) black, in a party that generally hates black people, and therefore isn't full of people wanting to cover his back; and 2) a bona fide racist, therefore not likely to be supported by anyone else
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you're demanding i ask how did he manage to be racist?
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OwlFancier posted:But professional gobshite shaun bailey is like an actual person [citation needed], I'm still not sure he's not some kind of joke that's just gone on far too far.
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therattle posted:^^^ yeah I happen to know all of them. Now, let's see here...ah yes, that one's a Tory twat, this one's a Tory oval office, and as for this one...yep, they all seem to be thoroughly despicable members of the Conservative and Unionist Party
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Rishi is being noted for his absence. I wonder who he's meeting? It states 'industry leaders from the tech and investment sectors.' https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1471233603493371912
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Why is he trying to hadouken me through the monitor?
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learnincurve posted:Just takes one random non-tory person on the internet who went to university with them/lives on the same street to go "hang on, that was the twat who" Well they might be doing that but unless you're a facebook friend of theirs or they do it on twitter and it goes viral or a national newspaper decides to boost it then it won't be known by you. Endjinneer posted:Everyone seemed to be going for the easy strikes on the lightning rod rather than doing that. The hive-mind is pretty good at identifying people when it chooses to. The graun is filling in the blanks but reports that quite a few are deleting their profiles. This seems to be the press doing the groundwork so mission accomplished? There are going to be thousands of people, hundreds of thousands even, who broke lockdown restrictions on gatherings and until they become interesting later then what exactly is the point of getting aggrevated that notable people today are getting more attention than people who may never amount to anything of national importance?
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OwlFancier posted:Why is he trying to hadouken me through the monitor? He's giving you the last few remaining "Rishi's Eat Out to Help Out" vouchers
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OwlFancier posted:Why is he trying to hadouken me through the monitor? That's Force Lightning.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Why is his hand so tiny It's not it's just further away from the camera
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Omicron multiplies faster in airways, slower in lungs This suggests to me that masks are extra important for this variant (but I'm no expert!) https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-thrives-airways-not-lungs-new-data-asymptomatic-cases-2021-12-15/ quote:Dec 15 (Reuters) - The following is a summary of some recent studies on COVID-19. They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that has yet to be certified by peer review.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Why is his hand so tiny He is tiny. About 4ft 2" in his built-up shoes.
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Observing the UK response to Omicron, only one image comes to mind: that of Emperor Nero playing the fiddle whilst Rome burns to the ground.
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Wizard Master posted:Observing the UK response to Omicron, only one image comes to mind: that of Emperor Nero playing the fiddle whilst Rome burns to the ground. Pretti? I thought you were clearing these chaps out?
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Darth Walrus posted:On 'where did British transphobia come from', this article is worth a read. Turns out that, as with many other things, it's at least partially down to us being a rentier economy - the UK was surprisingly tolerant until the Seventies, when a bunch of shithead aristocrats started getting worried that exclusively male inheritance of their properties was under threat. Have any lawyers commented on this one? Much as I love the idea of this, the way the article talks about precedent makes it very clear the journalist writing this isn't a lawyer so I'm kind of iffy on the implied legal argument being made here. (Is the article implying a case heard in a Scottish court would/should set a precedent on an English one?) Very, very fascinating just how non-codified transition was until the 1970s though, and I can absolutely believe there was a concerted effort to suppress trans rights through the legal system at that time. How far have we fallen?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:you're demanding i ask https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-london-candidate-mayor-shaun-bailey-hindu-muslim-festival-crime-a8566341.html
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Have any lawyers commented on this one? Much as I love the idea of this, the way the article talks about precedent makes it very clear the journalist writing this isn't a lawyer so I'm kind of iffy on the implied legal argument being made here. (Is the article implying a case heard in a Scottish court would/should set a precedent on an English one?) https://twitter.com/Scott_Wortley/status/1471166497334697988 https://twitter.com/Scott_Wortley/status/1470324352637968384 quote:Prof Playdon also suggested that the case would have been authoritative and was a higher authority than the Corbett case which deal with a trans woman marrying in England a few years after the Forbes Sempill summary trial. This is nonsense I am afraid. Scottish cases do not bind English courts. This particular case involving Forbes Sempill was a first instance decision (so did not involve an appeal, and under the s 10 procedure could not involve an appeal). A first instance decision in Scotland is of no particular precedential weight in England. And indeed the X, petitioner case would have been as authoritative a case. Indeed, in his book on Corbett v Corbett Prof Hutton notes that the X case from 1957 anticipates the decision in Corbett in England. It appears then that X, Forbes Sempill, and Corbett are compatible and consistent. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Wizard Master posted:Observing the UK response to Omicron, only one image comes to mind: that of Emperor Nero playing the fiddle whilst Rome burns to the ground. Nero was in a different city at the time and set out for Rome as soon as he heard the news, coordinated the firefighting response and poured massive amounts of money into the rebuilding effort  We can only wish Boris came even close to Nero's disaster management
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Convex posted:At this point I think the chances of a lockdown are more dependent on internal Tory politics than anything we could predict. We could just as easily be in lockdown on Friday evening with PM Truss It frustrates me that lockdown to relieve pressure on the NHS is even an option at this point, as though there's no other possible way of dealing with it. How about pumping more resources into the NHS? How about re-opening those Nightingale hospitals that were talked up so much in the early part of the pandemic? There were scary headlines circulating around earlier about how there might soon be 2,000 Covid patients being admitted into hospital each day. loving wow. 2,000 whole patients a day, in a rich country of 60+ million people, however would we cope. Seriously, why should this be an insurmountable problem for a country that has our sort of wealth? If the only response we have to another surge in cases is to shut our whole society down again, then something's gone seriously loving wrong.
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The Nightingale hospitals were a white elephant. They simply didn't have the staff to man them, but I'm sure they made a few select Tories very rich.
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Pistol_Pete posted:It frustrates me that lockdown to relieve pressure on the NHS is even an option at this point, as though there's no other possible way of dealing with it. How about pumping more resources into the NHS? How about re-opening those Nightingale hospitals that were talked up so much in the early part of the pandemic? There were scary headlines circulating around earlier about how there might soon be 2,000 Covid patients being admitted into hospital each day. loving wow. 2,000 whole patients a day, in a rich country of 60+ million people, however would we cope. Seriously, why should this be an insurmountable problem for a country that has our sort of wealth? If the only response we have to another surge in cases is to shut our whole society down again, then something's gone seriously loving wrong. Unfortunately there are simply not enough staff in the NHS. It takes time even you poach people from abroad and good luck getting the Tories to sign off on letting a battalion of Filipino nurses and Indian doctors in. China could do what they did with their instant giant hospitals because they bussed in staff from the rest of the country. The best we can do short of lockdown now is to mandate Covid/vaccine passes before entry into any enclosed public space like what they do in Asia. Hell they could even feed the private grift machine by having it enforced by Serco bouncers.
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I suspect meaningfully scaling up healthcare capacity takes a lot longer than we’ve had. However it is unforgivable that the NHS if anything seems to be less ready to handle it now than 18 months ago. I don’t understand why Labour aren’t hammering on that relentlessly. Okay it’s hard to oppose pandemic mitigation measures, but it’s not hard to yell, loudly, about how the Tories aren’t doing anything to build up healthcare provision.
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Pistol_Pete posted:It frustrates me that lockdown to relieve pressure on the NHS is even an option at this point, as though there's no other possible way of dealing with it. How about pumping more resources into the NHS? How about re-opening those Nightingale hospitals that were talked up so much in the early part of the pandemic? There were scary headlines circulating around earlier about how there might soon be 2,000 Covid patients being admitted into hospital each day. loving wow. 2,000 whole patients a day, in a rich country of 60+ million people, however would we cope. Seriously, why should this be an insurmountable problem for a country that has our sort of wealth? If the only response we have to another surge in cases is to shut our whole society down again, then something's gone seriously loving wrong. Problem is that decades of smashing the state to pieces have resulted in the UK being apparently largely dependent on money laundering to stay afloat, so not exactly an easy source of taxable income. We sold the shoes on our feet to buy the tories some coke 10 years ago. No more shoes for us!
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Also hope you're looking forward to cancer https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/16/experts-warn-over-post-brexit-uk-rule-changes-on-chemicals quote:Under the government’s proposals, companies will not be obliged to submit information on “substances of very high concern”, but will be allowed to do so on a voluntary basis. Only chemicals likely to be transferred to the “authorisation list” would be listed on the “candidate list”, meaning a smaller number of notifiable chemicals will be analysed. Is the Republic of Ireland likely to still accept english refugees at this point?
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If this leads to the EU banning imports of waste from the UK it'll save more lives on balance than it costs.
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Convex posted:Is the Republic of Ireland likely to still accept english refugees at this point? Eat poo poo UKailures e: assuming things don't go to poo poo over there in the same timeframe anyway, I've not got the highest hopes for this whole "European project" thing tbqh
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Guavanaut posted:If this leads to the EU banning imports of waste from the UK it'll save more lives on balance than it costs. france have already closed the border to english tourists
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Borrovan posted:lmao I literally just realised that my daughter is (just) entitled to Irish citizenship through her mother's side, which means if things go to poo poo over here before she's 18 I'm entitled to go live there She'd need to get her Irish passport first, and then she can apply to have you come live with her, even after she's 18. Though I think you have to show you're dependent on her in some way once she's over 18. Hope we've got the whole "catastrophic failure of property market and healthcare system" figured out by then
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