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KirbyKhan posted:Hello CE thread, I copy pasted one of my free articles to another thread, so I'm gonna ctrl+a and copy paste it here for morning reading. There were a few mass looting incidents in the summer of 2020 and that spooked people. Then a few random mass looting incidents happened again and one person got shot/killed and now people are all like PANIC PANIC CAPITALISM AND LAW AND ORDER IS UNDER ATTACK SOCIETY IS AT RISK AAAA And it's all just another overblown white panic of FWD: FWD: RE: RE: because cell phone videos make everything that happens more than twice into a mass hysteria event. Also it involves people stealing things, and things are more important that people, so it's crackdown time. They don't really care that the data doesn't show a problem, it's a CRIME WAAAAAVE
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100% It also helps to drive the narrative that Police Keep Us Safe We Need More Police Give Them Money Now which is so very important in propping up the current power structure. Things are so cool and good.
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maffew buildings posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1471155606069334018?s=21 Hey, we can put those 500,000 EV chargers next to the 500,000 carbon capture plants needed to make even the slightest dent in global carbon emissions. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Hey, we can put those 500,000 EV chargers next to the 500,000 carbon capture plants needed to make even the slightest dent in global carbon emissions. Welp, might as well do absolutely nothing then
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Pointing at charging stations while we simultaneously not bothering stepping up carbon capture the way that's needed and running a narrative that These Chargong Stations are the roadblock that's kept everyone from going to EVs while doing nothing to address wage stagnation, tax dodging by corporations and the wealthy, rent consuming most of people's wages, multiple generations priced out of home ownership, student debt etc is a dick move hth
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I mean it's cool and all, my dad will certainly appreciate being able to charge his vehicles places that aren't his house or work, but I'm fairly certain there are magnitudes more broke people driving beaters who can't switch than there are people who'd go electric if only they could have ev pumps in more places. Edit: wanna make a dent offer a car buy back program where along with putting in new stations everywhere, the government will buy your lovely beater and give you an EV , valid one per household. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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maffew buildings posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1471155606069334018?s=21 Well also not going to give money to Elon Musk.
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Defenestrategy posted:Edit: wanna make a dent offer a car buy back program where along with putting in new stations everywhere, the government will buy your lovely beater and give you an EV , valid one per household. Oh man, acid flashbacks to Obama's Cash For Clunkers program and all the Republican whining there was at only a few grand per car.
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facialimpediment posted:Oh man, acid flashbacks to Obama's Cash For Clunkers program and all the Republican whining there was at only a few grand per car. Given that Cash for Clunkers sunk a lot of people in debt since it barely covered the cost of a new car, as well as took a lot of reliable cars out of the used car market, making it harder for low income families to get vehicles: It loving sucked.
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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-russia-ukraine-europe-vladimir-putin-ab3784aa716fe3f65d742c1b4a23375e No agency if you aren't America or Russia quote:Putin has denied plans of launching an invasion and reversed the conversation by prodding Western leaders to provide legally binding guarantees precluding NATO’s expansion to Ukraine and the deployment of the alliance’s weapons there, calling such actions a “red line” for Moscow. They really buried the lede on this quote:"A recent ruling by a district court in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don, located near the border with Ukraine, challenged Moscow’s denials. The city’s Kirov District Court last week found a local businessman guilty of offering a military officer bribes to procure contracts to supply food to Russian troops deployed to eastern Ukraine.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Well also not going to give money to Elon Musk. You can get a Chevy bolt for only $35k. Pocket change! As a bonus I understand they also catch on fire and kill you for that full Tesla experience.
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How are the Mustang Mach-Es holding up? Any burn down their owners homes yet?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:How are the Mustang Mach-Es holding up? Any burn down their owners homes yet? Still looking ugly as sin but no really lurid reports yet.
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I've owned 2 subaru bajas, I like ugly.
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Dramatically expanding the US EV charging network is one of the first steps to making EVs more affordable. If charging stations were nearly if not equally as commonplace as gas stations, purchasing an EV would be a simpler opportunity cost decision, and as sales increase prices would go down. The drat most important thing this BBB bill can do with regards to an EV network is my god do their damndest to a)standardize plugs and charging speed and b) also ensure there is back end maintenance so they never breakdown. They really need to mirror the Tesla network as closely as possible. The “Electrify America” network right now is a loving mess. About 5-10 different port connectors, charging rates can be as long as 8 hours, and they are frequently broken/out of order. Not to mention scarce as heck. So when a person finally gets to one and it’s either out of order or takes half a day to charge and they attempt to move on to a next one/alternative.. they run out of juice. Simply making more stations won’t be enough. Just a few of these horror stories is enough to turn someone off from switching to an EV. They need to change the entire landscape of US EV networks, build confidence and solidarity, and erase those horror stories from existence. That’s the only way to mass move our consumer market from gas to EV. We should decommission one gas station, digging up their (likely leaky) underground tanks, per charging station installed. Blind Rasputin fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Loucks posted:You can get a Chevy bolt for only $35k. Pocket change! As a bonus I understand they also catch on fire and kill you for that full Tesla experience. They could build $15k electric cars with 75-100mi ranges for commuting but unfortunately, like decent health insurance, in the US electric cars are still seen as a "luxury item." If you can't restructure your entire life around it... it's not for you.  There should be an entire cottage industry around electrifying old and current IC cars, but like everything, we can't have that either because of corporate gatekeeping.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:They could build $15k electric cars with 75-100mi ranges for commuting but unfortunately, like decent health insurance, in the US electric cars are still seen as a "luxury item." Absolutely they could. Even more easily if there were any willingness to mandate vehicle size/weight/speed so it's less necessary to make every car a fortress. However like you say that would cut into profits, and my portfolio might take a hit. Enjoy your $50k car. Electric motorcycles are not as insanely priced and would be fine for commuting, but that really doesn't work for everybody. I confess I still really want to drive the new BMW i4 M model though.
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My MegaCorp has a clunky approach to EVs. There are charging stations but require payment even though I'd assume the dollar amounts are trivial (and they don't care about any other employee electricity use, including setting up mini-fridges or inefficient heaters that trip circuit breakers). After your EV is charged employees are supposed to return and move their car, ignoring a lack of parking spots so I dunno where they'd be expected to go. Not sure how much use those get. It was fun to hear from an engineer friend about a super-engineer coworker who got an EV with just enough range to make it to work and home, something like 80 miles, with almost no leeway for errands. Yes his plan did mean he got stranded a lot.
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They also kind of missed the point. If you live in an apartment, at home charging isn't really a thing. And going to one of these new charging stations for a few hours isn't practical.
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If you have an electric car and get your power from the grid around Boulder, Co. you're actually creating more carbon emissions than someone driving a regular internal combustion vehicle! Part of the Solution! Greenwashing is one of the most depressing developments in modern society. Conspicuous consumption to prove that you "care" while ignoring the reality behind almost all consumer selections. Wasn't recycling supposed to improve at some point?
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Ardlen posted:They also kind of missed the point. If you live in an apartment, at home charging isn't really a thing. And going to one of these new charging stations for a few hours isn't practical. Yup, I doubt whoever made the policy knows anything about EVs and was more worried that employees with EVs would be parking closer to the entrance than a VP who has been here for 40 years and would take it as a personal insult.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:They could build $15k electric cars with 75-100mi ranges for commuting but unfortunately, like decent health insurance, in the US electric cars are still seen as a "luxury item." No one builds $15k gas powered cars these days let alone EV's. That's just not what new cars cost anymore.
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I bought a used 2019 Nissan Leaf with all the bells and whistles for 21K last summer. I honestly think the biggest hurdles is charging infrastructure (cause unless you're in California or the Mid-Atlantic/North East, it's meh), and finding cars that aren't the size of large refrigerator that are under 35K. The tax rebates are nice but they only apply to new cars. They were kicking around the idea of applying it to used ones too, but it went no where unfortunately.
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The MSRP of the Nissan Versa is just below $15k. The Ford Fiesta is like $15.5K IIRC. Something leaf adjacent or similar may become my DD once I settle down somewhere. Until then, it’s not uncommon to have to drive rear end-far across nowhere, USA.
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If they made some drop in electric motors and battery kits, I’d be incredibly happy. I don’t want to rebuild my 944s engine and I want an electric car. It would turn a fairly reliable but old car into a long term daily driver. I dailied mine for about a year, but it’s got 230k on it. Also it would push us closer to the cyberpunk aesthetic for cars that have the weird mix of old and new tech.
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mlmp08 posted:The MSRP of the Nissan Versa is just below $15k. The Ford Fiesta is like $15.5K IIRC. After destination the base Versa is $15,995 and Ford doesn't sell the Fiesta in North America anymore. Even the Mitsubishi Mirage is over $15k after destination in 2021.
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mlmp08 posted:The MSRP of the Nissan Versa is just below $15k. The Ford Fiesta is like $15.5K IIRC. Dealers are charging more than msrp right now, on top of their more traditional grifts of undercoating and paint sealer, or only ordering mid and top tiers of models instead of cheap bases. The Versa has proven to be about as reliable as a Chrysler. I remember when they debuted at just under $10k msrp a decade ago, too.
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Both my wife and I’s cars died within 3 months of each other in 2014 and we bought a Chevy Spark because we were broke. It’s held up well for what it is. I’ve had to replace a coolant reservoir and thermostat, and that’s it. They are 15-16k iirc. We’re at about 100k miles now.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Dealers are charging more than msrp right now, on top of their more traditional grifts of undercoating and paint sealer, or only ordering mid and top tiers of models instead of cheap bases. They put that undercoat on at the factory. Nothing I can do. Seriously though, I'm convinced that a big part of why cars are so much more expensive now is that they have to be built to protect occupants from the insanely large SUVs and trucks on the road that everyone wants to buy to protect themselves and their families from the the insanely large SUVs and trucks on the road. I'll just keep driving my ten year old Toyota sedan because buying an electric car would have a far greater environmental impact.
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up until recently cars were the one thing you really werent getting screwed on. its just that housing, medical and education have eaten up so much of everyone's budget that even ~35k for a new vehicle was out of reach for most.
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I have a prius prime, my daily commute is less than its 20mi battery range so my fuel economy has been 118mpg for the year. Full EVs are great and all but until chargers are everywhere I'm sticking with a good hybrid with partial EV like this one. Best of both worlds imo.
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Loucks posted:100% It's become a rallying cry for reactionaries and I hope every business who's whined about it goes out of business, ideally from theft
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I'm boarding a flight and the guys behind me were talking about the state of the airline industry. Did you hear about how all these airlines laid off their staff, took government money, and funneled it to executive bonuses? That's socialism. Of course I'm flying from FL to TX, a scenario in which very low expectations are often still too high.
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Loucks posted:They put that undercoat on at the factory. Nothing I can do. You goin' to the Gophers on Sunday? You wouldn't happen to have an extra ticket?
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The idea that $25-35k for a "(comfortable) new car" is just something we should all just learn to live with is horseshit and just plays more into that culture of have/have nots. People don't *need* 8-13" LCD touchscreens. No one *needs* SiriusXMTM connectivity. No one needs custom-molded dashboards with bespoke infotainment center cutouts. Bring back the DIN form factor. Sell a base-as-gently caress car with just the things required by law. People can (and will) add what they want in the way of creature comforts. New cars cost more because the car manufacturers put an extra $1000 in plastic in them and charge the end user $10-15k for it.
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