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How are u posted:Could you maybe connect the dots between point A and B for us, as to how you envison things changing in the USA? You're right. Lockdowns, forced vaccination programs, etc, cannot happen without some great catalyst. That's why I think the path from A to B is things get so bad that eventually politicians and the people who finance them are willing to actually do something.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:The US has engaged in comprehensive vaccination/disease control programs repeatedly, I'm not proposing something unheard of When talking about policy, the last 20 months are more relevant than the last 20 years. What you are talking about is extremely far beyond getting schools to vaccinate against polio. You're talking about total social and economic lockdown and federally mandated vaccination programs. No, in fact, those things are unheard of in the recent history of the United States. quote:anyway, whatever, i get it, you don't think things can change. I disagree. Have fun "Things can change" isn't an argument. You can justify any idea by saying that you can imagine it happening. Imagination has no limits. But you're not talking about doing something in your imagination, you're talking about doing something here in reality, and so where things are in reality is relevant. You don't get to ignore recent history just because it's inconvenient to your argument.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:05
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:people are being self-servingly absolutist a third of the country believes the virus is a chinese/democRat hoax and won't even wear a mask or take the free miracle vaccine, a state just outlawed quarantine how on earth do you see this changing with all the 'political will' in the world edit: basically what Xombie said
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Dec 16, 2021 18:12
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Hey y'all, I haven't been following research for months now, so I have a question: I got my 2nd dose of moderna in mid august. I don't have any pre-existing conditions or the like. Should I get my booster shot now or would it be better to wait until 6 months have passed? As far as I know, the immune reponse is better if you wait longer.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:15
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hey mom its 420 posted:Hey y'all, I haven't been following research for months now, so I have a question: I got my 2nd dose of moderna in mid august. I don't have any pre-existing conditions or the like. Should I get my booster shot now or would it be better to wait until 6 months have passed? As far as I know, the immune reponse is better if you wait longer. Get it as soon as you can. It's good stuff.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:19
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hey mom its 420 posted:Hey y'all, I haven't been following research for months now, so I have a question: I got my 2nd dose of moderna in mid august. I don't have any pre-existing conditions or the like. Should I get my booster shot now or would it be better to wait until 6 months have passed? As far as I know, the immune reponse is better if you wait longer. Now.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:20
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i suppose a major necessary condition for things to change is for people to not walk around thinking "things can't change," but who knows i actively work every day to change material reality that i'm told can't be improved, and am successful, along with a group of other like minded people. it's just my experience  as to the whole "the government can't do that," the answer is, simply, yes they can, of course they can. they just don't want to right now. the feds have a litany of tools to force states into certain behaviors. if you think, "oh no, that can't happen, there would be violence" my response would be, "that's our future no matter what"
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Dec 16, 2021 18:21
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:people are being self-servingly absolutist The thing is that "COVID zero" means literally zero COVID whatsoever, so that the harsh but very temporary restrictions can be lifted without fear of an immediate resurgence of a highly contagious disease. If COVID numbers cannot be reduced to literally zero, then we will necessarily have to learn to live with COVID, and no amount of whining or teeth-gnashing can change that. JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:The US has engaged in comprehensive vaccination/disease control programs repeatedly, I'm not proposing something unheard of The vaccines are not sterilizing vaccines, and thus cannot eradicate COVID. They can raise people's resistance to COVID, and reduce the severity of infection, but even highly vaccinated countries that have maintained lockdown measures are seeing their case counts rise.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:21
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hey mom its 420 posted:Hey y'all, I haven't been following research for months now, so I have a question: I got my 2nd dose of moderna in mid august. I don't have any pre-existing conditions or the like. Should I get my booster shot now or would it be better to wait until 6 months have passed? As far as I know, the immune reponse is better if you wait longer. Personally I feel that 4 months is long enough and if I were you I'd want to be heading into Omicron as cranked as possible. Not a doctor, yada yada yada
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Dec 16, 2021 18:22
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hey mom its 420 posted:Hey y'all, I haven't been following research for months now, so I have a question: I got my 2nd dose of moderna in mid august. I don't have any pre-existing conditions or the like. Should I get my booster shot now or would it be better to wait until 6 months have passed? As far as I know, the immune reponse is better if you wait longer. Canada and the UK have moved to 3 months in response to Omicron (and both weren't exactly super liberal with their booster policies before) so 100% it's better to get it now while you're almost for sure at the start of a massive wave than to min max your titers by waiting an optimal time for your booster.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:27
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the greatest evidence i have that the us will never change are the posts in this thread, so, point ceded, i suppose
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Dec 16, 2021 18:40
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cr0y posted:Personally I feel that 4 months is long enough like... personally based on what? Vaccines aren't diablo fire resist potions. The idea of boosters isn't you take one and it lasts 8 minutes then you take another. The concept of vaccine series is based on getting particular shots at particular intervals to best prime the immune system. Just speed running a bunch to "top off" on some feeling you are getting low isn't how anything works.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:44
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Alright, thanks for your responses, I'm gonna go get ubervaxed right now.
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Dec 16, 2021 18:55
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A second employee has reported that they were in close contact with someone who tested positive for COVID. How do I know? They came to work and stood outside my door waiting to talk to HR about it. As they left they said that they would be quarantining. Until Monday. EDIT: The CEO (his wife has COVID) has decided to come back to work already, and that he doesn't need a mask because he tests himself every 12 hours with a home kit. I'm glad he's on a different floor, but this is a small place and if he has it, everyone's going to get it. It is beyond my comprehension for someone to be so immensely ignorant and selfish. Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 18:58
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Madjackal, are you seeing any covid trends in person right now? Cases seem to be shooting up in NYC but since they're almost all vaccinated is that putting any noticeable pressure on the medical staff? NYC is going to be the canary in the coal mine once again and the more on the ground info the better
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Dec 16, 2021 19:04
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:the greatest evidence i have that the us will never change are the posts in this thread, so, point ceded, i suppose You should probably look outside, because I think the material conditions of the US provides far more concrete evidence than a handful of people posting on the deck of the Titanic.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:16
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:the greatest evidence i have that the us will never change are the posts in this thread, so, point ceded, i suppose What is your specific plan to get lockdowns and masking in the countless small towns and rural counties across the US? What's a specific plan to get Florida and Missouri (the latter of which, I can't emphasize enough, just outlawed all quarantines) to comply with lockdowns?
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Dec 16, 2021 19:16
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I'm pretty sure Omicron has been everywhere for at least a month at this point. Here's an interesting datapoint: Omicron is dominant in wastewater samples in Central Florida county quote:By Associated Press
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Dec 16, 2021 19:40
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:like... personally based on what? The fact that two shots are performing extraordinarily poorly against omicron and all we have is to boost or not to boost right now. Is 4 months better than 6 months? No idea, but everything is pointing to the boosters at least providing some degree protection better than two shots and two shots alone. People can obviously do whatever they want and I was just providing my own anecdotal viewpoint on things. I feel that waiting two months so that you're at the "proper" interval for a booster is more dangerous than getting it now as we head into a global wave of a highly immune escapable variant.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:47
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I don't know where it has or not, because the UK Trajectory over the last 3 days has been nothing like it's been the last few weeks.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:47
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dwarf74 posted:I think you need to make concrete statements about what precisely the federal government should do right now, rather than broad hand-wavey statements about 'political will.' What if the government dropped the president’s measured approach and gave a shot at the vice president’s more radical proposal of giving everyone $2000 a month? That would probably lead to fewer people finding it necessary to go out and risk their lives working. Masks by mail would be a great start too.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:48
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cr0y posted:The fact that two shots are performing extraordinarily poorly against omicron and all we have is to boost or not to boost right now. Is 4 months better than 6 months? No idea, but everything is pointing to the boosters at least providing some degree protection better than two shots and two shots alone. Just going to add that it's performing poorly against infection protection - it still seems to help a lot against hospitalisation and death
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mawarannahr posted:What if the government dropped the president’s measured approach and gave a shot at the vice president’s more radical proposal of giving everyone $2000 a month? That would probably lead to fewer people finding it necessary to go out and risk their lives working. Masks by mail would be a great start too. Whatever the merits of it, do you honestly see that getting through Congress (something that would cost north of $600 billion to cover one month, not counting administrative costs, etc.)? Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 19:58
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mawarannahr posted:What if the government dropped the president’s measured approach and gave a shot at the vice president’s more radical proposal of giving everyone $2000 a month? That would probably lead to fewer people finding it necessary to go out and risk their lives working. Masks by mail would be a great start too. Masks by mail would be awesome too - but how does the federal government get people to wear them? Or states/counties to enforce them? Both of these are great but they don't solve the core issues as of this moment, right? Which seems to be a pervasive culture of disinformation, and a lack of LOCAL political will to stop the virus. How's this help anyone in, for example, Missouri, where quarantine is illegal?
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Dec 16, 2021 19:59
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So Fauci said this today: https://twitter.com/josh_wingrove/status/1471545014127898624 and yeah, it turns out that at least 3 PCR tests can't detect Omicron: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...omicron-reduced
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Dec 16, 2021 20:09
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Petey posted:So Fauci said this today: This is a little misleading. This is just the S region dropout thing. This is how omicron was originally detected at all. PCR tests constantly coming back positive in all tests with one blank space and that pattern has been the pattern people have used to identify probable omicron vs delta cases worldwide. It's not a new announcement that there is new invisible undetectable covid. Just talking about the specific missing checkbox that has been the hallmark of omicron from before omicron was even named. quote:Potential Impact: Since these tests are designed to detect multiple genetic targets, the overall test sensitivity should not be impacted. The pattern of SARS-CoV-2 detection with one target failure may provide a signal that the omicron variant may be present so that sequencing can be considered to characterize the variant. quote:4 November Owlofcreamcheese fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 20:21
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Whatever the merits of it, do you honestly see that getting through Congress (something that would cost north of $600 billion to cover one month, not counting administrative costs, etc.)? Why does it need to get through Congress? Can’t the president just order it to happen? USA Today seems to say that he can: https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5582667002
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Dec 16, 2021 20:26
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mawarannahr posted:Why does it need to get through Congress? Can’t the president just order it to happen? USA Today seems to say that he can: https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5582667002
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Dec 16, 2021 20:28
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This is a little misleading. e: no, I think you are reading a different section of what Petey posted. FDA says the three tests under the Tests Expected to Fail to Detect the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Variant are expected to return false negative results overall. The tests lower in the doc do what you describe. Meridian doesn't distribute their tests so they should be fine. though they do a lot of support for medical studies so there may be some internal issues there Tide seems like the primary concern right now, and the laboratories that use those tests are in Petey's link quote:Potential Impact: Since this is a single target test, the test is expected to fail to detect the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant, resulting in false negative results in patients with the omicron variant. This nine-nucleotide deletion appears to be specific to the omicron variant; therefore, based on initial bioinformatics analysis, the performance of the test is not expected to be impacted for other known SARS-CoV-2 variants. fosborb fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 20:32
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mawarannahr posted:Why does it need to get through Congress? Can’t the president just order it to happen? USA Today seems to say that he can: https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5582667002 President can't just spend money any which way they want, what's allocated for what is set by Congress (usually with some flexibilty).
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Dec 16, 2021 20:33
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This is a little misleading. FDA, yes the typos are real posted:Due to the inability of these test to detect the SARS-CoV-2 omicrom variant, the FDA recommends that these test should not be used until this issues is resolved. Good grief, they're in such a hurry they're leaving the typos in.
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mastershakeman posted:Madjackal, are you seeing any covid trends in person right now? Cases seem to be shooting up in NYC but since they're almost all vaccinated is that putting any noticeable pressure on the medical staff? Keep in mind I’m solely outpatient now. Definitely seeing an uptick in sick calls in general and a couple breakthrough cases over the past two weeks. 54M seeing me 8 days after Thanksgiving for a yearly physical, gets a call while I’m in the room and about halfway done that he tested positive for COVID. I was really glad that I’ve been consistent in wearing an N95 with a surgical mask over it during every visit. He only felt a little fatigued a few days before, absolutely zero other symptoms. Vitals all stable. Double vaccinated, second shot in mid June. Figured he probably picked it up when he was visiting his also-vaccinated family. Had a weird case yesterday of a 48F with five days of myalgias, mild cough and subjective fever. Double vaccinated, second shot also in June. Was exposed to someone who tested positive for COVID six days prior. No loss of taste or smell. POCT flu and COVID both negative, chest X-ray also completely clear. I labeled it bronchitis and started some symptomatic stuff. She’s doing better today. I’ve got a mobile testing van across the street, and a CityMD down the street which have started to get long lines for the first time since the pre-Thanksgiving testing rush. I’ve really got to write down the annual exam I had with an RN who told me she lost her job due to refusing to get vaccinated, had her entire family get sick from COVID resulting in the deaths of one son and her father in law, and telling me proudly that she has taken part in anti-mask anti-vax protests marches that passed right by my office a month or so ago. Oh and how masks are making everyone hypoxic, but had nothing to say when I got a pulse ox and placed it on her finger (crappy cloth mask) then my finger (N95 plus surgical) and magically we both had SpO2s flipping between 97-98%. She’s basically my perfect example of how dumb, confident, paranoid idiots would rather die than mentally touch the third rail idea that their beliefs are wrong and have directly lead to immense suffering of everyone around them and themselves.
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mawarannahr posted:Why does it need to get through Congress? Can’t the president just order it to happen? USA Today seems to say that he can: https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5582667002 As stated in that article "The U.S. Constitution grants Congress the country’s spending power. David Super, a constitutional law expert teaching at Georgetown University, said that means the president cannot spend money without congressional authorization, "whether by executive order or presidential memorandum or anything else." However, Congress can provide money that is contingent on the president releasing it, in which case, an executive order could release funds, if that’s what Congress called for, he said." While there is some flexibility, there aren't over $600 billion a month to shift around.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:This is a little misleading. quote:Test Name (Link to EUA): Revogene SARS-CoV-2 quote:Test Name (Link to EUA): DTPM COVID-19 RT-PCR test quote:The FDA's Analysis: This test is expected to fail to detect the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant (B.1.1.529) due to deletions at amino acid positions 69-70 and mutations at nucleotide positions 23599 (T to G) and 23604 (C to A). The two viral targets of this test cover the portions of the S-gene where these mutations occur. 1 of the 3 tests was affected by S-Gene dropout due to del69-70. However, it also failed due to additional mutations that targeted other sites. You severely need to stop posting about poo poo you don't understand.
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Dec 16, 2021 20:49
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MadJackal posted:Keep in mind I’m solely outpatient now. Thanks for the insight, I'm betting a lot of the twitter people flee NYC like they did two marches ago so we won't get much social media updates on what's going on. My bet is they'll go visit relatives then stay there for a month or so.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:1 of the 3 tests was affected by S-Gene dropout due to del69-70. However, it also failed due to additional mutations that targeted other sites. Saying " it turns out that at least 3 PCR tests can't detect Omicron" in some sort of shocked tone then those tests being for the literal genes we define something as being omicron for is stupid. Doing some 'they won't say what brands!" thing is stupid and dishonest. Clearly the intent is to hype it up like some commercial test a person might take might be giving them false negatives and they might have secret covid. Not some lab thing that is literally the definition of the variant.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:02
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:those tests being for the literal genes we define something as being omicron for is stupid. What? I don't think you have the slightest clue about how any of this works. Please quit spewing bullshit in this thread. I can't even call it misinformation because that would imply that there's some sort of coherent thought being put forth altogether.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:03
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:What? I don't think you have the slightest clue about how any of this works. No human has gotten false results because of this. Selling this as some "tests are inaccurate! we don't know what brands!!!" is stupid and only intended to trick people into thinking tests they may have taken are now inaccurate.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:06
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No human has gotten false results because of this. Selling this as some "tests are inaccurate! we don't know what brands!!!" is stupid and only intended to trick people into thinking tests they may have taken are now inaccurate. Oh word, that's why the FDA page literally says: quote:Potential Impact: Since this is a single target test, the test is expected to fail to detect the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant, resulting in false negative results in patients with the omicron variant. This nine-nucleotide deletion appears to be specific to the omicron variant; therefore, based on initial bioinformatics analysis, the performance of the test is not expected to be impacted for other known SARS-CoV-2 variants. Do yourself a favor and stop posting. You're in over your head.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No human has gotten false results because of this. Selling this as some "tests are inaccurate! we don't know what brands!!!" is stupid and only intended to trick people into thinking tests they may have taken are now inaccurate. I think you actually are misreading it. From the FDA report on the Tide one: FDA posted:Since this is a single target test, the test is expected to fail to detect the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant, resulting in false negative results in patients with the omicron variant . This nine-nucleotide deletion appears to be specific to the omicron variant; therefore, based on initial bioinformatics analysis, the performance of the test is not expected to be impacted for other known SARS-CoV-2 variants. Considering it also notes to "Consider negative results in combination with clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information." for a subset of the tests I think it actually is saying they may have issues detecting Omicron outright. How widespread an issue it is though remains to be seen. Not sure how common that test is. Looking at my results and all three I had this year here (Canada) didn't use any of the affected ones. But maybe you Americans are using that one all the time. There's a lot of PCR tests in use right now.
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