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Discussion Quorum posted:I'm boarding a flight and the guys behind me were talking about the state of the airline industry. Did you hear about how all these airlines laid off their staff, took government money, and funneled it to executive bonuses? That's socialism. It's shocking just how stupid this loving world is and Americans in general
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The idea that $25-35k for a "(comfortable) new car" is just something we should all just learn to live with is horseshit and just plays more into that culture of have/have nots. The amount of tech bullshit they put in new cars, and every electric car, is why I'm still driving a gas powered vehicle that's more than 20 years old. Even cars from 10 years ago are terrible about that stuff. Literally the only thing I want to change about my car is the method it uses to create power to move.
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Subaru WRX MSRP was ~24-25K in 2003 dollars. Now it’s ~28K in 2021 dollars. Yay Subaru. A base-as-gently caress F-150 was 20K in 2003 and is 30K in 2021. Civic was about 16K base in 2003 dollars, 22-23K base in 2021 dollars. By raw inflation, $15K in 2003 is about $22.6K in 2021. Used car market is wild since 2020-ish, though. Similar very dumb used car market prices (not similar causes) during the mid-00s.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32882633/late-nfl-wr-vincent-jackson-found-stage-2-cte https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/i...vere-cte-damage tl:dr repeated sub concussive impacts to the head destroy your brain and while these two articles only highlight NFL players, the damage is already occurring in college, if not even sooner.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32882633/late-nfl-wr-vincent-jackson-found-stage-2-cte And remember kids, firing a gun without hearing protection also does this to your brain.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:11
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on one hand CTE is supposedly bad, but on the other Brave Patriot Ball and being an idiot with guns are the most important things in America so who is to say whether this cost should be evaluated with any meaningful lens
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Stringing along car chat: Unless I'm super bad at converting from Rupees, a nice Tata Punch mini-SUV will run you $7-8k USD: https://cars.tatamotors.com/suv/punch Assuming some more stringent safety standards in the US, even if they double the price, it will be in the 15k range. I look at the small cars/trucks available in other countries and get depressed that a 25k mazda 3 is considered on the small and cheap side in the US.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:14
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Crab Dad posted:Giving people what they need sounds like socialism comrade. That's just the thing, though. It's not. The more customizable a car is in the US, the more people will customize it. Look at what people have done with first-gen Priuses. The manufacturers just want to *force* you to pay for and use their inferior bullshit they bought from the lowest bidder. The  ing about a lack of microchips for cars by car makers is more about customers finding out how much they're getting screwed because of all the superfluous tech being shoehorned into new cars.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:18
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It's far cheaper for manufacturers to offer less customization and by dint of that offer only higher specced models wherever possible. It doesn't help that many manufacturers, particularly US one, have largely abandoned the smaller vehicle/cheaper vehicle market in favor of chasing more affluent customers. COVID supply disruptions have just further reinforced that choice.
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stealie72 posted:Stringing along car chat: Sounds too much like the SMART car to me.
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Looks like the military vaccine numbers are fully in. The Marines just announced that they have kicked out 103 people for refusing the vaccine. Also, the Army just relieved 2 battalion commanders over vaccine rejection. Looks like less than 4000 people have refused the vaccine. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/16/marines-army-kicked-out-covid-vaccine-525101
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Dec 16, 2021 21:26
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I'm genuinely impressed by that. Wonder what your DD214 says if you're kicked out for telling your branch to gently caress off over vaccines.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:29
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I'd guess it would be an OTH. Due to breaking your oath.
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For my commuter car I’d like a sturdy, simple, box on wheels using simple off the shelf reliable parts. I don’t need a fancy infotainment tv in there just an LED screen I can plug my phone into. Car play is 10x better than any of their systems and ideally the screen is superfluous and not integrated anyway. And I’d like this for under 15k.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:It's far cheaper for manufacturers to offer less customization and by dint of that offer only higher specced models wherever possible. It doesn't help that many manufacturers, particularly US one, have largely abandoned the smaller vehicle/cheaper vehicle market in favor of chasing more affluent customers. COVID supply disruptions have just further reinforced that choice. Certainly in the UK many manufacturers have stopped allowing customers to pick and choose from an options list and have bundled things into expensive ‘packs’ to apply to the car you order. So you might want a sunroof but you can’t have one anymore unless you choose something like the ‘comfort’ pack which includes the sunroof along with idk heated seats and privacy glass as well, that you might not want.
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Loucks posted:I'm genuinely impressed by that. Wonder what your DD214 says if you're kicked out for telling your branch to gently caress off over vaccines. Navy guidelines range from Honorable to General depending on certain circumstances.
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Why does every car need to be an enormous rolling cell phone with its own data plan when 99.999% of the time anyone gets into a car that is that technological they already have a cell phone on them? Because then they can charge you another $4k plus a monthly fee, and that lets their mothership know if you try jailbreaking your car to get any of those built in but not paid for features. Like how all Teslas are actually the same mechanically, they just only allow you access to certain things if you pay them.
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A Bad Poster posted:Why does every car need to be an enormous rolling cell phone with its own data plan when 99.999% of the time anyone gets into a car that is that technological they already have a cell phone on them? If your car doesn't have every single gadget possible you're less of a man/woman/porpoise than you should be and that's bad.
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The extent of my car gadgets are a small screen, a (very nice to have) reverse camera, blue tooth (worth it), cruise control. Plus all of the air bags and traction control. It’s about 3 years old. I kind of wish it had more of the new safety features like brake assist or lane assist, but oh well, I wanted a fun manual for a low price. If I really want to, I can make the screen show Gs or boost, but it’s pretty pointless compared to a larger clock or gas mileage. If you buy a fully loaded SUV or family sedan, yes, you will have more gadget stuff. E: climate control is all knobs and buttons. The touch screen is basically just for blue tooth and the reverse camera. I guess it also has tire pressure monitoring if that counts as fancy. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If your car doesn't have every single gadget possible you're less of a man/woman/porpoise than you should be and that's bad. Not including that, I've owned 8 cars over my lifetime and my favorite was an 07 element because it was new enough to have modern safety and reliability baked into it, but old enough that it didn't have $5k worth of infotainment bullshit in it or a touch screen heating fan control. Sadly, had to get rid of it once I had 3 kids that needed to be driven around since it only had a 2 seatbelt back seat. I would absofuckinglutely adore a simple rear end 2022 car that keeps all the modern mechanical stuff but has a 1990s heating/cooling system and radio.
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maffew buildings posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1471155606069334018?s=21 What about price, price is a bigger one imo
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Milo and POTUS posted:It's shocking just how effective propaganda is
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Loucks posted:I'm genuinely impressed by that. Wonder what your DD214 says if you're kicked out for telling your branch to gently caress off over vaccines. They mentioned it: "" posted:The Marines who are being separated are receiving discharges that are general under honorable conditions, a Marine Corps spokesperson said. Such a discharge keeps the Marines from losing post-military benefits. Army personnel are being flagged so they can finish their enlistment but not reenlist. They do have to have weekly negative tests though. Real Army of them, "We're not gonna kick you out just make the rest of your enlistment miserable."
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Kesper North posted:What about price, price is a bigger one imo Its really not, There are lots of apartment dwellers who can't charge at home but have enough money to lease a cheaper EV or buy that 3 year old one that is in their price range.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:
This is on the way. Both Ford and Chevy have electrical "crate motors" and there are third-party companies starting to show up. It's all obscenely expensive, but this is how it starts. BIG HEADLINE posted:The idea that $25-35k for a "(comfortable) new car" is just something we should all just learn to live with is horseshit and just plays more into that culture of have/have nots. That business model died 3 decades ago because it didn't work. Adding satellite radio capability costs nothing, because it's a software setting. It would cost more to produce a different antenna for the non-equipped cars. Hell, SEDANS are dead because people viewed them as low class. You want to put vehicles out there with a screen-delete plate in the dash?  I also want these options (or lack thereof) to exist (hell, my 2012 Jeep had crank windows and manual locks), but most people looking to spend money don't. maffew buildings posted:on one hand CTE is supposedly bad, but on the other Brave Patriot Ball and being an idiot with guns are the most important things in America so who is to say whether this cost should be evaluated with any meaningful lens Make suppressors accessible. Godholio fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Wrong Theory posted:They mentioned it: There a reason not to give these dudes other than honorable or bad conduct discharges? Is that what you would generally get for telling the military to gently caress off?
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There could be legal challenges, particularly if we end up with a different party in total control here in a couple of years and all directives get flipped. It also doesn't do any good, and antagonizes a bunch of people with no payoff beyond spite.
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Godholio posted:There could be legal challenges, particularly if we end up with a different party in total control here in a couple of years and all directives get flipped. It also doesn't do any good, and antagonizes a bunch of people with no payoff beyond spite. That said those guys getting permanently prohibited would be pretty funny.
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stealie72 posted:I know I'm far, far off the pulse of The American Consumer, but my no-kids errand car is a 91 Toyota 2wd pickup with a bench seat, manual transmission, and lovely 2 speaker stereo that my phone can't connect to This sounds pretty much ideal. My family had something similar kicking around until winter salt ate the body. Bondo only goes so far. Wrong Theory posted:They mentioned it: Thanks. I somehow skimmed right over that. Agreeing that an honorable seems like a weird reward for telling the service to eat your rear end, but I don’t set policy. It seems less a matter of “spite” to me than accurately reflecting the conditions of separation.
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Honorable is pretty common if a soldier never committed a crime, but just decides one day to refuse to train and refuses to do their job, as long as that refusal isn’t in the middle of a guard mission in combat or something. The default discharge is honorable (or maybe uncharacterized if less than sox months in), unless the person really screws up, is malicious, or if they have leadership with a real inclination toward spite plus a legal advisor who lets them act on that spite.
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Godholio posted:Hell, SEDANS are dead because people viewed them as low class. Sedans are dead?! https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g32006077/best-selling-cars-2020/ A lot of the recent news articles and twitter takes about how expensive cars are is some mix of: 1. commenting on the current inflated used car prices 2. Wealthy people going “wow, this fully loaded all options medium-sized SUV or fullsize sedan is $55-75K?! When did this happen?!” (It happened when they started shopping for premium cars instead of basic models) 3. Marketing to make you feel like the sedans for regular people, which sell for 20-30K, are a steal. 4. Microchips mania 5. Old people not knowing how inflation works. A brand new turbocharged sports car starts less than 30K today. A brand new basic model sedan is cheaper in dollars’ buying power today than it was in year 2000 dollars, adjusted for inflation. Rent is the inflationary area affecting everyone that I worry about long term a hell of a lot more than cars.
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stealie72 posted:I know I'm far, far off the pulse of The American Consumer, but my no-kids errand car is a 91 Toyota 2wd pickup with a bench seat, manual transmission, and lovely 2 speaker stereo that my phone can't connect to, specifically because I wanted something dead rear end simple and that didn't have all the rolling living room poo poo in it so I can actually drive and maybe listen to music. And wanted a tiny pickup because I gotta pick up hay and feed and gently caress that being inside a vehicle ever. I've only ever owned one car and it still has less than 55k on the odometer and it has heated seats and a sunroof. That's it for gadgets and I only have those because they came with the car. It's a 2013 model year which was like the last year before all the bells and whistles started becoming industry standard. Oh, and it has a satellite radio that I don't use because it costs extra.
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I'd imagine it's yet another decorum-brained attempt to wrap themselves around potential Republican talking points by not giving them OTH dischargs or something. Which is completely loving useless with fascists but whatever, succdems gonna succdem.
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btw Sony finally released the perfect head unit for everyone driving older vehicles last month, the AX150 is a double-din with native android auto/apple carplay support, clip/stick microphone included in the box, steering wheel control support, inputs for a backup camera, and it's in stock at every walmart in the country for $250. You just plug your phone into it and yell at the steering wheel when you want it to do anything, it's glorious and half the price of the dodgy Shenzen ebay crap that was previously the only way to do that for under a grand
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A soldier forged multiple signatures of officers to get out of work and PT, lied when asked about it, hid in a closet for half a day, and then invited his mom to travel from out of state to see him at the unit without telling her he was pending chapter. I was informed it was too hardcore to give him a general vs honorable discharge, because he was basically lazy and obstinate, but he did not attack anyone or steal anything. So, really, honorable discharges for people whose sole misconduct is saying “no,” to a vaccine makes sense. Different story if they’re out their deliberately talking poo poo like that dumb Marine LTC.
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mlmp08 posted:Sedans are dead?! Yes. Cars in general make up only five of the top twenty-five your list shows.
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Like I'm seriously using the google maps navigation for even the shortest trips, the safety gains of completely delegating where I am in relation to the earths surface and having that much more attention to the immediate 200 yard bubble around me have been huge
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bird food bathtub posted:I'd imagine it's yet another decorum-brained attempt to wrap themselves around potential Republican talking points by not giving them OTH dischargs or something. Which is completely loving useless with fascists but whatever, succdems gonna succdem. Hm yes, Nancy Pelosi and the DNC are personally ordering the service chiefs to do this. Definitely a sane theory rather than mlmp08 posted:A soldier forged multiple signatures of officers to get out of work and PT, lied when asked about it, hid in a closet for half a day, and then invited his mom to travel from out of state to see him at the unit without telling her he was pending chapter. I was informed it was too hardcore to give him a general vs honorable discharge, because he was basically lazy and obstinate, but he did not attack anyone or steal anything.
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shame on an IGA posted:Like I'm seriously using the google maps navigation for even the shortest trips, the safety gains of completely delegating where I am in relation to the earths surface and having that much more attention to the immediate 200 yard bubble around me have been huge
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stealie72 posted:Also, google maps on my phone has real-time info (traffic, etc.) and map updates for free vs whatever boondoggle my in-dash needs to update. That's the magic of the cheap android auto box, it's just a dock and interface for the frequently-updated apps on, and data plan of, your phone. They finally cottoned on to "why the hell are we building wireless modems into this poo poo when everyone's carrying a better one in their pocket anyway"
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