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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

gonadic io posted:

the north is still over 40s only, and here is still over 50s, (with exceptions for vulnerable people/healthcare workers ofc) it's only england itself that's gone to over 18s at walk-ins. as far as I can tell wales isn't doing walk-ins at all. not quite at the state where I'd fly just to get it. oh well.

e: could drive through wales and make a day of it I suppose if I get really desperate, it's at least much safer

North's over 30s now but only for drops in, can't make an appointment or go to a pharmacy yet.

Means hunting out one of the one/two vaccine walk in centres in your health trust area and queueing up.

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Since I'm in England now I've been considering getting a booster ASAP.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

kustomkarkommando posted:

North's over 30s now but only for drops in, can't make an appointment or go to a pharmacy yet.

Means hunting out one of the one/two vaccine walk in centres in your health trust area and queueing up.

i got mine at ulster hospital vaccine centre today - queued for two and a half hours but i just had a read on my mobile-telephone handset :cool:

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Arquinsiel posted:

Since I'm in England now I've been considering getting a booster ASAP.

Did you get your first two jabs in ROI or in England? I moved here after I got my two jabs and I'm unsure if I can get my jabs.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Got the first two in Dublin. If the British government wants to put two more in me for free I guess I'll just have to be extra immune :shrug:

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/1470123702364913673

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Arquinsiel posted:

Got the first two in Dublin. If the British government wants to put two more in me for free I guess I'll just have to be extra immune :shrug:

Let me know how it goes! Ideally I would like to be boosted before I go back for Christmas but the logistics mean I probably won't be.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Any idea if our HSE covid Certs are gonna hold any weight in the UK? I've been looking around but all I can get is news about how mad everyone is at Boris about it.


I'll unfortunately be in Newcastle over Christmas and while I've been promised I'll be taken all over the place ans wined and dined I'd really rather not be near anyone at all, so like if they count over there it's ok, and if they don't I'll be pretty happy tbh. This is the UK, where using an NI fiver will get you in poo poo in the wrong shops so *shrug*

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Shoehead posted:

Any idea if our HSE covid Certs are gonna hold any weight in the UK? I've been looking around but all I can get is news about how mad everyone is at Boris about it.


I'll unfortunately be in Newcastle over Christmas and while I've been promised I'll be taken all over the place ans wined and dined I'd really rather not be near anyone at all, so like if they count over there it's ok, and if they don't I'll be pretty happy tbh. This is the UK, where using an NI fiver will get you in poo poo in the wrong shops so *shrug*

I've not had to use mine yet and have similar concerns. Here it seems like you have to scan in as opposed to having someone scan your cert? General apathy towards them mean that most places either won't ask or, if they do ask, will accept it as something over nothing.

I'm talking completely hypothetically here but I just don't see the UK public/business being even nearly as stringent about them that Ireland was.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
There's some QR codes on tables that instruct you to scan them with an NHS app before sitting down but I suspect those labels are old and I didn't see anyone using them the one time I was somewhere with tables.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

How would the table even know!

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
It checks the app on its smartphone I guess?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The QR codes as I understand them are basically to tell the app you're at a specific place which it then supposedly uses to contact trace you when someone who was in that place at that time tells the app they tested positive.

In practice I have no idea how well or if it works, because I spend most of the time without a device capable of running the app and 90% of the places I go don't have the scan in things.

Welcome to plague island by the way, please enjoy our large variety of cheeses and diseases.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

We have a Bluetooth app that tracks you and notifies you if there was a close contact.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

lemonadesweetheart posted:

We have a Bluetooth app that tracks you and notifies you if there was a close contact.

The NHS covid one does the same thing.

The qr codes to check in is meant to streamline the contact tracing requirements for businesses so a wee man with a clipboard doesn't have to take down your name and telephone number when you arrive (in theory)

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The place I was was a shoping center food court, so literally every table had one and there was zero enforcement. Kind of an obvious flaw.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

"zero enforcement" is sort of a theme you will find.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I found that the second I stepped onto the DLR at London City Airport. A tannoy reminding everyone that masks are mandatory and only a few weirdos like me actually wearing one.

Worldshatter
May 7, 2015

:kazooieass:PEPSI for TV-GAME:kazooieass:



Shoehead posted:

Any idea if our HSE covid Certs are gonna hold any weight in the UK? I've been looking around but all I can get is news about how mad everyone is at Boris about it.


I'll unfortunately be in Newcastle over Christmas and while I've been promised I'll be taken all over the place ans wined and dined I'd really rather not be near anyone at all, so like if they count over there it's ok, and if they don't I'll be pretty happy tbh. This is the UK, where using an NI fiver will get you in poo poo in the wrong shops so *shrug*

I'm in a similar situation and I recall finding an article claiming that the NHS certs would be valid in the EU so I assume it works both ways, but you never know given the insanity of UK exceptionalism

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
That seems ok, I mean it's defo not ok and my visit to the UK is going to be stupid and nerve wracking but if the Brits are going to be dumb it might as well be dumb in a way that lets me move about.


My little cousin, who is a very big drinker, has been getting shittier and shittier lately, posts a lot of hand-wringing shite about people's mental health while there were 0 restrictions in last month. Anyway she's pretty pissed this morning about NPHET. Shes beside herself

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
hmm it's almost as if the suffering of mental health over the last 2 years has more to do with a massive loving pandemic killing lots of people than measures to combat it

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Shoehead posted:

That seems ok, I mean it's defo not ok and my visit to the UK is going to be stupid and nerve wracking but if the Brits are going to be dumb it might as well be dumb in a way that lets me move about.


My little cousin, who is a very big drinker, has been getting shittier and shittier lately, posts a lot of hand-wringing shite about people's mental health while there were 0 restrictions in last month. Anyway she's pretty pissed this morning about NPHET. Shes beside herself

The thing I was seeing on social media today that made me go "hmm" was people talking about Tony Hoolihan having "an anti-alchol agenda."

I tried reading the comments in the hope that people would explain what this means, but all I got was a baffling collection of incomprehensible posts and memes/gifs that I think were supposed to be savage takedowns but just made me more confused.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Oh I left out the part where she's literally only angry about pub closing times. She just wants her piss ups to continue

The Question IRL posted:

The thing I was seeing on social media today that made me go "hmm" was people talking about Tony Hoolihan having "an anti-alchol agenda."

I tried reading the comments in the hope that people would explain what this means, but all I got was a baffling collection of incomprehensible posts and memes/gifs that I think were supposed to be savage takedowns but just made me more confused.

Having been sober for 10+ years now I'm the one person in my family who can't really bring this stuff up without seeming like a dry shite or a scold but like... just get hosed up at home? You can still have parties atm, go full Mask of the Red Death

Shoehead fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Dec 17, 2021

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





Just a general FYI but yesterday my brother (mid30's no underlying conditions) got a text from the doctor's surgery asking him to register for a booster dose to be administered tomorrow.
I'm a few years older, registered same surgery got no text. I registered anyway, and this morning we both got calls to come and get boosted tomorrow morning!

So if you're registered with a surgery, have a look at their website and see if they doing boosters at the moment, you never know :)

edit: oops, meant to put this in the general Ireland thread, oh well.

Pookah fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Dec 17, 2021

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Shoehead posted:

Oh I left out the part where she's literally only angry about pub closing times. She just wants her piss ups to continue

Having been sober for 10+ years now I'm the one person in my family who can't really bring this stuff up without seeming like a dry shite or a scold but like... just get hosed up at home? You can still have parties atm, go full Mask of the Red Death

Ah but when you bring up the idea of house parties, they say that is where all the spreading is coming from. And that we would be better if the pubs were left open because they would be more regulated.

The (inconvient) truth is alcohol use reduces inhibitions. It's why people drink. But as a result it also impairs judgment. Ultimately it's not compatible with public health advice on how to reduce infections in a pandemic, but people don't want to accept this.*

In relation to how others see you, I find it best to ignore it. I'm a non-drinker but I would go to social events that were excuses for piss ups, because this is Ireland. If you want to socialize, most of the events for this will involve lots of drinks. I remember one friend in her cups telling me that she hated that I didn't drink "because it meant that I was judging her on her drinking."
That one always stuck with me. People do a lot of projecting and also denial around this subject.


*= See also whenever EU guidelines on Binge Drinking are released and the response is ALWAYS to argue that the definition on what constitutes binge drinking is too harsh and to argue about that.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Most people, especially here, have deeply problematic relationships with alcohol, and anything that gets in the way of that will cause blind fury.

I love a pint, me, but people are just loving thick

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

The Question IRL posted:

The thing I was seeing on social media today that made me go "hmm" was people talking about Tony Hoolihan having "an anti-alchol agenda."

I tried reading the comments in the hope that people would explain what this means, but all I got was a baffling collection of incomprehensible posts and memes/gifs that I think were supposed to be savage takedowns but just made me more confused.

He has a long history of advocating against alcohol use in Ireland. Hes very much on the record with having an anti-alcohol agenda:

quote:

And it is true that there are some positives in relation to alcohol, some level of social lubrication and some health benefits. But these benefits are derived only from low levels of alcohol consumption. And this is not the way we drink alcohol in this country. Somehow we have let ourselves believe that alcohol is not really a problem in Ireland. We are complacent. We choose to ignore evidence of the huge and avoidable extent of the problem that alcohol wreaks on our society.

It is time to stop turning a blind eye to the alcohol problem, or accepting it as an inevitability of being Irish. It is time to look at the evidence of how alcohol is really affecting Irish individuals, families and society as a whole. It is time, therefore, for us to take action.

https://alcoholireland.ie/dr-tony-h...ple-conference/

quote:

Almost 100 people are dying every month in an "alcohol epidemic" drowning the country, the Government’s medical expert has warned.
Dr Tony Holohan’s stark alert came as new research revealed the alcohol industry is aggressively targeting young people, including children, online.
https://www.drugs.ie/news/article/100_people_dying_a_month_in_alcohol_epidemic

quote:

Tony Holohan, chief medical officer at the Department of Health, made a comment on RTE’s Six One News that might not be newsworthy nationally or internationally: “Irish consume too much alcohol”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303442198_Consuming_the_Craic_Destroying_the_Body

quote:

The Chief Medical Officer says any new measures to crack down on people's consumption of alcohol would be "very welcome".
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203194.html

https://twitter.com/karlbrophy/status/1330534527228375042

etc

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yer man Brophy is a fuckwit anyway.

The Question IRL posted:

I remember one friend in her cups telling me that she hated that I didn't drink "because it meant that I was judging her on her drinking."
That one always stuck with me. People do a lot of projecting and also denial around this subject.
I find the way to answer that is to say "yes" and then let them worry about how they behave while drunk. Most of my hard drinking friends changed nothing but one or two messy drunks cleaned up their poo poo over the years.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

As far as I'm seeing the proposed 5pm curfew would extend to theatres and cinemas and other indoor events, not just specifically licensed premises.

The advice has been to radically cut socialisation for like the last month and ultimately that's what a curfew is designed to do, no?

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


lmao good on holohan for having an anti alcohol agenda. People would be much healthier if they had access to things that aren't alcohol if you know what I mean winking smiling emoji. The Devils Buttermilk.

We need to have another loving lockdown in january. It's proven to reduce case numbers and save lives. poo poo is going to hit the loving fan otherwise. We don't have the medical infrastructure for this poo poo.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Skull Servant posted:

Let me know how it goes! Ideally I would like to be boosted before I go back for Christmas but the logistics mean I probably won't be.
Turns out the logistics are hosed, so what you do is you get registered for a GP and then you go to a walk-in vaccination center and they will update your record there with your proof of vaccination from the EU.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

he's right

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Failed Imagineer posted:

Most people, especially here, have deeply problematic relationships with alcohol, and anything that gets in the way of that will cause blind fury.

I love a pint, me, but people are just loving thick

Try given up alcohol and see how some people react.
I had "mates" practically try and force pints down my throat when I went dry but still went to the pub.

I think some have their identity so wrapped up in drinking that it's almost a personal affront to them if you choose not to drink.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
My father in law gets genuinely upset if you try explain that you can just go do a thing and not drink at the same time. He doesn't seem to process social activities as anything other than a reason to drink.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Marenghi posted:

Try given up alcohol and see how some people react.
I had "mates" practically try and force pints down my throat when I went dry but still went to the pub.

I think some have their identity so wrapped up in drinking that it's almost a personal affront to them if you choose not to drink.

Due to my alcoholic aul fella I've been fairly paranoid about my relationship to drink since I was a smallie and it's served me well tbh. I can get wrecked when the occasion calls for it (less and less often), but can also go months without a drop and I've never once even considered cracking open a beer by myself, feels deeply pointless.

Tbh I know exactly what you're saying but I've never personally been called out for not drinking, hopefully it's just cause I've eliminated those kind of dickheaded people from my life.

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you
Well it was one lad who was most insulted by the idea of someone going pub and not drinking.

And before I eventually cut him off he was sneaking bottle of whiskey to his cubicle job and getting stinking when it was quiet.


In COVID news. Michael Martin has to be the worst politican for taking liberties with the truth. Absolute sense of deja vu and he's trying deny it.

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1471904706658283520

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

i think a lot of it depends on the age cohort you belong to. Younger people's social life seems to spin more around alcohol related activities and then you either grow out of it or just end up doing it out of habit the older you get. I used to drink a decent amount to black out levels but I've all but stopped now that I'm an auld fella with a family and I don't miss it. Also Holohan is right.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I feel like more recent youngins, my age and lower, seem less booze addled than my parents lot, who I don't know if they partied but they seem to be trying to pickle themselves with cheap wine and gin in their middle age.

Whereas I think most of the people I know my age either don't drink or only drink quite rarely on special social occasions.

Don't know if it's different across the sea.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
lol they went for 8 o'clock closing what a joke

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lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

I feel like more recent youngins, my age and lower, seem less booze addled than my parents lot, who I don't know if they partied but they seem to be trying to pickle themselves with cheap wine and gin in their middle age.

Whereas I think most of the people I know my age either don't drink or only drink quite rarely on special social occasions.

Don't know if it's different across the sea.

Nah it seems true enough here too.

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